Same can be said about reimer.
Either way,it's a good deal. I just feel the 2nd was too high, I would have preferred a 3rd but whatever!
- Fakepartofme

me too plus they paying scrivens (almost his full salary) to play for LA
4th and no cash.

He's one hell of a player... You got a little Cherry running through your veins me thinks



- robin_steele264

A lot of Sherry in me. You are correct.

I don't think there's anyone who thinks Dion is a #1 Dman...but he is the Leafs #1 dman, there's no doubt about that which just shows how badly they need to upgrade their D.

Dion is great at nothing...but he's good at everything.
- Juice

I would put Dion among the top 40 d-men in the league (possibly top 20), so imo he's a top pairing d-man, the problem is we don't or didn't have someone to play top pairing with him. I see his blunders, but I also see a lot of poop that he does that goes unnoticed, especially on the PK. Having him on the Leafs is a good thing imo.

Franson improved by leaps and bounds this season, I think he might be a solution on that top pairing going forward, as long as he doesn't become complacent.

He doesn't need to exceed Reimer, he just needs to put up the same numbers and be ready should Reims get hurt or falter. Nothing wrong with having two goalies who can help your team win. I don't think we gave up any assets that were must keeps. It was a good deal, and its also not like one day we can't trade one of reimer or bernier and get a solid return down the line. Building from the net out, the goalie position is solidified with two 25 year olds, now onto the defense.
- mykokes

I agree and I like the trade. My point was just in responding to the downside that maybe Bernier won't be as good as Reimer. You do the trade because Bernier appears to have a lot more upside potential.

Other teams not offering more should give you a clear indication that they don't believe Bernier is as good as Nonis. Look at those old men in NJ, they either had nothing LA wanted, or Lou wasn't prepared to give it up for him. Islanders could use him too...
- aminnes

Your right.

NJ is having all kinds of financial issues, last thing they wanted was to retain some of the salary for a traded player.

Islanders I think they still have Yashin and DiPietro on the books don't they so they probably did not want to eat more $$, even though they are way under the cap.

As a Kings fan think its a great deal for both sides.. 500K is huge for a team up against the cap. 550K total in salary for 2 roster players is just what the doctor ordered for the Kings this year.

You will love Bernier, he is just so calm in net, he just puts you at ease when he is out there even if the opponent is pressing in the offensive zone. I never stressed out when he was in net no wasted motion. With Quick I do, only because he is just so athletic he can make up for mistakes so there is much more motion, makes great saves but really stressful :-)

Bernier is also a great puck handler, he can pass it very well.

By all accounts, a great teammate and good locker room guy.

a #1 dman comes available as often as a #1 center...and they are hard to catch
dion is the best we have and it isnt getting any better for a long time in regards to a #1
- senstroll

Exactly.

The only #1 dmen that become available are UFA/RFA's that either play for a team that can't afford them or they want out of their situation....rarely happens.

And the same could be said for Centres.

Good trade.

Yes, Reimer had a fantastic season, and acquiring a goalie was not a huge priority, but if you can improve the team via trade, you pull the trigger. Having a very solid young goalie tandem = more wins. Now when Reimer gets injured, there is no drop-off in goaltending quality. In fact, my money's on Bernier being the better goalie long-term.

I hate to quit pulling out this card*, but you may want to actually watch Phaneuf live before you start declaring him to be crap.

Defencemen do a lot of things that you don't get to see on HNIC.

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* I don't actually hate pulling out that card.
- Atomic Wedgie

He isn't crap, but a number one defensemen he isn't. This team has to platoon if they're to succeed.

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Exactly.

The only #1 dmen that become available are UFA/RFA's that either play for a team that can't afford them or they want out of their situation....rarely happens.

And the same could be said for Centres.
- Juice

Or you pay 100 million dollars plus to get him.

No.
- Mapleleafs_91

What could this opinion possibly be based on?

His TOI/G has him as a 3rd liner (or worse).

His actual deployment has him as a 3rd liner (or worse).

He got no PK time.

He got limited PP time.

After a quick start, he really, really stagnated.

How could you possibly suggest he is better than a 3rd liner right now?

Your right.

NJ is having all kinds of financial issues, last thing they wanted was to retain some of the salary for a traded player.

Islanders I think they still have Yashin and DiPietro on the books don't they so they probably did not want to eat more $$, even though they are way under the cap.

As a Kings fan think its a great deal for both sides.. 500K is huge for a team up against the cap. 550K total in salary for 2 roster players is just what the doctor ordered for the Kings this year.

You will love Bernier, he is just so calm in net, he just puts you at ease when he is out there even if the opponent is pressing in the offensive zone. I never stressed out when he was in net no wasted motion. With Quick I do, only because he is just so athletic he can make up for mistakes so there is much more motion, makes great saves but really stressful :-)

Bernier is also a great puck handler, he can pass it very well.

By all accounts, a great teammate and good locker room guy.
- fsanford

good insight thanks.

the only pending question I have... Is Berniers wife an upgrade to Reimers?

For sure. That's why trading to upgrade the D is a far bigger priority than the Goaltending especially when this was the first stable goaltending they've had in years.
- aminnes

Well...it was only 48 games and an overall stronger commitment to play D from the entire team.

Bernier's ceiling should be miles higher than anything Reimer can deliver, but there's always the chance that's proven wrong. Personally, I love the trade.

But I do think there's still the chance Nonis trades Reimer in a package to get something they can use (D or part of getting a #1 centre perhaps?) and signs a veteran backup.

Fun times in Leafs land.

Your right.

NJ is having all kinds of financial issues, last thing they wanted was to retain some of the salary for a traded player.

Islanders I think they still have Yashin and DiPietro on the books don't they so they probably did not want to eat more $$, even though they are way under the cap.

As a Kings fan think its a great deal for both sides.. 500K is huge for a team up against the cap. 550K total in salary for 2 roster players is just what the doctor ordered for the Kings this year.

You will love Bernier, he is just so calm in net, he just puts you at ease when he is out there even if the opponent is pressing in the offensive zone. I never stressed out when he was in net no wasted motion. With Quick I do, only because he is just so athletic he can make up for mistakes so there is much more motion, makes great saves but really stressful :-)

Bernier is also a great puck handler, he can pass it very well.

By all accounts, a great teammate and good locker room guy.
- fsanford

Interesting point about the more scrabbly goalie being superior in LA.

Your right.

NJ is having all kinds of financial issues, last thing they wanted was to retain some of the salary for a traded player.

Islanders I think they still have Yashin and DiPietro on the books don't they so they probably did not want to eat more $$, even though they are way under the cap.

As a Kings fan think its a great deal for both sides.. 500K is huge for a team up against the cap. 550K total in salary for 2 roster players is just what the doctor ordered for the Kings this year.

You will love Bernier, he is just so calm in net, he just puts you at ease when he is out there even if the opponent is pressing in the offensive zone. I never stressed out when he was in net no wasted motion. With Quick I do, only because he is just so athletic he can make up for mistakes so there is much more motion, makes great saves but really stressful :-)

Bernier is also a great puck handler, he can pass it very well.

By all accounts, a great teammate and good locker room guy.
- fsanford

He announce like 2 weeks ago
- burn

i missed it then

good call for him i think

What could this opinion possibly be based on?

His TOI/G has him as a 3rd liner (or worse).

His actual deployment has him as a 3rd liner (or worse).

He got no PK time.

He got limited PP time.

After a quick start, he really, really stagnated.

How could you possibly suggest he is better than a 3rd liner right now?
- Atomic Wedgie

Its ok. We know he is a third liner that would be in the AHL, if it was not for his name and huge contract. But others are entitled.

He isn't crap, but a number one defensemen he isn't. This team has to platoon if they're to succeed.
- aminnes

What does that mean?

Or you pay 100 million dollars plus to get him.
- bixll

Isn't that kinda the same as their previous team couldn't afford to keep them?

But yes.

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Wtf
- burn

sombodies account get h4x0r3d

Good trade.

Yes, Reimer had a fantastic season, and acquiring a goalie was not a huge priority, but if you can improve the team via trade, you pull the trigger. Having a very solid young goalie tandem = more wins. Now when Reimer gets injured, there is no drop-off in goaltending quality. In fact, my money's on Bernier being the better goalie long-term.
- BestRapperAlive

They already did. People on here forget how Scrivens held the fort down when Reims was hurt. He's a up and coming guy too, and we have no idea how good he is, and a stupid cup winning GM could have kept his better backup in Bernier and didn't.

I would put Dion among the top 40 d-men in the league (possibly top 20), so imo he's a top pairing d-man, the problem is we don't or didn't have someone to play top pairing with him. I see his blunders, but I also see a lot of poop that he does that goes unnoticed, especially on the PK. Having him on the Leafs is a good thing imo.

Franson improved by leaps and bounds this season, I think he might be a solution on that top pairing going forward, as long as he doesn't become complacent.
- mykokes

I don't think Franson and Phaneuf are a great fit.

We need a Jamie Macoun to go with our Todd Gill.

Interesting point about the more scrabbly goalie being superior in LA.
- aminnes

You are right - Quick >> Bernier. We will see who is better in TO

Well...it was only 48 games and an overall stronger commitment to play D from the entire team.

Bernier's ceiling should be miles higher than anything Reimer can deliver, but there's always the chance that's proven wrong. Personally, I love the trade.

But I do think there's still the chance Nonis trades Reimer in a package to get something they can use (D or part of getting a #1 centre perhaps?) and signs a veteran backup.

Fun times in Leafs land.
- Juice

Reims was 7th in the LEague in Sv %, Bernier's "miles higher ceiling" is what, Vezina? Top 3, are we really putting him in that category?

Its ok. We know he is a third liner that would be in the AHL, if it was not for his name and huge contract. But others are entitled.
- bixll

OK, now I'm confused.

I thought we were talking about Frattin.

Who are we talking about?