And trade for Clutterbuck and sign Ference to troll the bruins
- jbold

fixed

3 words.

Home town Discount
- Leafland

Never happen ever

That's not scouting, though.

He got injured and was never the same.

You could also argue that the game changed - became much faster, and he couldn't keep up. But once again, that's not the fault of scouting - they said he could play in a hook, hold and chop league. And he could.
- Atomic Wedgie

Good point. I have made the change (partly because I feel a little sorry for poor Komi).

BICKELL
- Leafland

Joel Ward?

1998 busts: Stuart at #3, Allen at #4, Vitaly Vishnevsky at #5
1998 successes: None

1999 busts: Mezei at #10
1999 successes: None.

2000 busts: Klesla at #4, Jonsson at #7
2000 successes: None

2001 busts: Komisarek at #7
2001 successes: None

2002 busts: Questionable. Whitney at #5 and Pitkanen at #42002 successes: Bouwmeester at #3

2003 busts: None
2003 successes: Suter at #7, Phaneuf at #9
2003 Questionable: Coburn at #8

2004 busts: Barker at #3, Valabik at #10
2004 successes: None.
2004 questionable: Smid at #9

2005 busts: Lee at #9, Bourdon at #102005 successes: Jack Johnson at #3 (questionable)

2006 busts: None
2006 succeses : Erik Johnson at #1 (questionable)

2007 busts: Hickey at #4, Alzner at #5, Ellerby at #102007 successes: None

2008 busts: None
2008 successes: Doughty at #2, Bogosian at #3, Pietrangelo at #4, Schenn at #5 (questionable)

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- Leeman4Gilmour

the bolded guys are not busts, and Ellerby is still only 24... barely grown into his size yet. way too high for sure, but could easily come around

I said last 10 years not 10 drafts... semantics sure but guys drafted in 2000 and 2001 were being scouted earlier. Scouting got a lot better after 2000.

I deleted your commentary for space... but I get what you're saying.

But again, you're talking on averages, and I'm talking about 1 specific player who was dominating for parts of the season. Hamilton is going to be very very good.

Joel Ward?
- AdamFrench

Pretty well, Bickell can tickle the twine a bit more though

Never happen ever
- robin_steele264

Pretty well, Bickell can tickle the twine a bit more though
- Leafland

Alzner is the opposite of a bust
- robin_steele264

Alzner at #5, though?

He's a decent defenseman, but there were 210 players selected. For the purposes of examining whether players live up the hype of the draft, I don't think Alzner is a great success story.

If Morgan Rielly turned into Alzner, I didn't think we'd be all that impressed. You expect a #1 defenseman with a top 5 pick. You're not drafting for a solid second pairing guy.

the bolded guys are not busts, and Ellerby is still only 24... barely grown into his size yet. way too high for sure, but could easily come around

I said last 10 years not 10 drafts... semantics sure but guys drafted in 2000 and 2001 were being scouted earlier. Scouting got a lot better after 2000.
- Big_Lightnin

I'd say Hickey is a pretty big bust. He sucks in all ends, is tiny and is a wiener.

the bolded guys are not busts, and Ellerby is still only 24... barely grown into his size yet. way too high for sure, but could easily come around

I said last 10 years not 10 drafts... semantics sure but guys drafted in 2000 and 2001 were being scouted earlier. Scouting got a lot better after 2000.
- Big_Lightnin

Hickey has gotta be a bust.


If he's not then there are no busts and the term is invalid.

- AdamFrench

Well maybe not, i just looked at Wards stats, had some good years in Nashville.

Alzner at #5, though?

He's a decent defenseman, but there were 210 players selected. For the purposes of examining whether players live up the hype of the draft, I don't think Alzner is a great success story.

If Morgan Rielly turned into Alzner, I didn't think we'd be all that impressed. You expect a #1 defenseman with a top 5 pick. You're not drafting for a solid second pairing guy.
- Leeman4Gilmour

He's a very good NHL player.

Not a bust

Alzner at #5, though?

He's a decent defenseman, but there were 210 players selected. For the purposes of examining whether players live up the hype of the draft, I don't think Alzner is a great success story.

If Morgan Rielly turned into Alzner, I didn't think we'd be all that impressed. You expect a #1 defenseman with a top 5 pick. You're not drafting for a solid second pairing guy.
- Leeman4Gilmour

Alzner's their top pairing shutdown dman dude?

Hickey has gotta be a bust.


If he's not then there are no busts and the term is invalid.
- robin_steele264

oops ya he got sucked in with Alzner

Alzner's their top pairing shutdown dman dude?
- Big_Lightnin

Yeah. He's pretty awesome.

Yeah. He's pretty awesome.
- robin_steele264

I would LOVE him with Dion

I would LOVE him with Dion
- Big_Lightnin

Yeah that'd be a great guy to put with him

the bolded guys are not busts, and Ellerby is still only 24... barely grown into his size yet. way too high for sure, but could easily come around

I said last 10 years not 10 drafts... semantics sure but guys drafted in 2000 and 2001 were being scouted earlier. Scouting got a lot better after 2000.

I deleted your commentary for space... but I get what you're saying.

But again, you're talking on averages, and I'm talking about 1 specific player who was dominating for parts of the season. Hamilton is going to be very very good.
- Big_Lightnin

If we knew with certainty what Can Barker would become, would anybody in his right mind draft him at #3? The guy couldn't even crack the Edmonton Oilers' top six.

Brian Lee at #9 is not a bust?

The guy eats popcorn in Tampa Bay's press box for a career. For a top 10 pick, he's a bust.

The original argument was whether or not Hamilton could fill Chara's place. The odds of Hamilton living up to his draft ranking are worse than a coin flip if history is any indication.

And why are the late 90's invalid? If you look last those years, you'd see that scouting looked pretty damn good back then, too. There were years when over half the first rounders played long careers. That's more than you could say about some of today's drafts.

Do you guys think there is anyone in the 4-7 draft spots willing to move it? (NAS, CAR, CAL and EDM)

Id be willing to move Gardiner + #21 + if it meant a shot at either Monohan or Barkov.

Edit: This is also assuming Reilly isn't too far off.

Do you guys think there is anyone in the 4-7 draft spots willing to move it? (NAS, CAR, CAL and EDM)

Id be willing to move Gardiner + #21 + if it meant a shot at either Monohan or Barkov.

Edit: This is also assuming Reilly isn't too far off.
- markmark

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Any good rumours? Its been a slow day for the leafs

Hockey Tracker ‏@Hockey_tracker 1m

The Fourth Period reports the Vancouver #Canucks are shopping Keith Ballard

I actually laughed out loud, Gillis is a moron beyond morons

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- Mapleleafs_91

True. We should be trading Gardiner for Stastny.

True. We should be trading Gardiner for Stastny.
- markmark

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