I said max... In a perfect world, I give him 1 year, 3 million to show me what he has... and we will talk something more significant next year when the books open up.
- aecliptic

you'd give up next year's 2nd round pick to have Clowe back on a 1 year deal?

I said max... In a perfect world, I give him 1 year, 3 million to show me what he has... and we will talk something more significant next year when the books open up.
- aecliptic

That I can sign off on, but even then, that second rounder is huge to give up

you'd give up next year's 2nd round pick to have Clowe back on a 1 year deal?
- jimbro83

Oh yea, forgot about that part...

Man... this is quite the pickle!

Oh yea, forgot about that part...

Man... this is quite the pickle!
- aecliptic

that's what she said

I dont want clowe back. No way no how.

I dont want clowe back. No way no how.
- TrueBlue9182

What did he do to not warrant a shot to play?

When he was out there, the team played visibly better.

you'd give up next year's 2nd round pick to have Clowe back on a 1 year deal?
- jimbro83

If the money were right, I would be fine with that. Second round picks are traded all the time at the deadline for rentals, and despite the Rangers recent success in the second round, the success rate of second round picks turning into good NHL players is not very high.

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hank
biron

If the money were right, I would be fine with that. Second round picks are traded all the time at the deadline for rentals, and despite the Rangers recent success in the second round, the success rate of second round picks turning into good NHL players is not very high.
- Pete V

I would do a 3 year 10 million deal for Clowe.

Not only a one year, and not a crazy long term.

I would do a 3 year 10 million deal for Clowe.

Not only a one year, and not a crazy long term.
- jimbro83

I think that is a fair deal. I have no idea what the market for him will be, but I'm not real interested (not interested at all actually) in signing him past 3-4 years.

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pyatt-boyle-miller

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hank
biron
- TheRussian

First... Clowe is a LW...
Second... that 3rd line is absolutely atrocious.

First... Clowe is a LW...
Second... that 3rd line is absolutely atrocious.
- aecliptic

i know nothing about the rangers except their roster so i just put names down

i know nothing about the rangers except their roster so i just put names down
- TheRussian

If they make no moves what so ever, and resign everyone... I would expect something like...

MZA, Stepan, Nash
Kreider, Richards, Callahan
Clowe, Brassard, Hagelin
Pyatt, Boyle, Dorsett

Might see Fast and Miller to start the season with Callahan and Hags out.

If they make no moves what so ever, and resign everyone... I would expect something like...

MZA, Stepan, Nash
Kreider, Richards, Callahan
Clowe, Brassard, Hagelin
Pyatt, Boyle, Dorsett

Might see Fast and Miller to start the season with Callahan and Hags out.
- aecliptic

So, you're placing MZA on the 1st line? There are only 8 players on that list I think be should back. Stepan, Nash, Kreider, Brassard, Callahan, Dorsett Hagelin and maybe Boyle. The rest needs to be replaced. The 3rd and 4th lines need to be completely overhauled.

If they make no moves what so ever, and resign everyone... I would expect something like...

MZA, Stepan, Nash
Kreider, Richards, Callahan
Clowe, Brassard, Hagelin
Pyatt, Boyle, Dorsett

Might see Fast and Miller to start the season with Callahan and Hags out.
- aecliptic

MZA as a 1st liner?just no

I would do a 3 year 10 million deal for Clowe.

Not only a one year, and not a crazy long term.
- jimbro83

Those are reasonable figures, especially coming off the year he did.

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hagelin-brass-clowe
kreider-richards-zucc
pyatt-boyle-miller

asham/dorsett

MCD-G
staal-stralsy
moore-whitney

hank
biron
- TheRussian

Richards needs to play top six minutes. If he has to move to wing, so be it. Richards would be setup to fail if he is playing third line minutes.

So, you're placing MZA on the 1st line? There are only 8 players on that list I think be should back. Stepan, Nash, Kreider, Brassard, Callahan, Dorsett Hagelin and maybe Boyle. The rest needs to be replaced. The 3rd and 4th lines need to be completely overhauled.
- OLDSCHOOL#6

You have to... he doesnt fit anywhere else...

You definitely cant play him on the 3rd line, hes too small and not as good defensively as Hagelin.

Playing him on the 2nd line doesnt create a good mesh of players. 2 play makers and a grinder, you wont get much goals out of that.

The only thing left is to let him use his good passing to dish to Stepan and Nash.

You gotta give the guy a chance... look at what happened with Parenteau... we bailed on him, didnt give him a shot - then again this wasnt exactly a great offense to begin with. Goes to the Isles... puts up 53, then 67 points... and put up 43 in 48 games with the Avs.

You have to... he doesnt fit anywhere else...

You definitely cant play him on the 3rd line, hes too small and not as good defensively as Hagelin.

Playing him on the 2nd line doesnt create a good mesh of players. 2 play makers and a grinder, you wont get much goals out of that.

The only thing left is to let him use his good passing to dish to Stepan and Nash.

You gotta give the guy a chance... look at what happened with Parenteau... we bailed on him, didnt give him a shot - then again this wasnt exactly a great offense to begin with. Goes to the Isles... puts up 53, then 67 points... and put up 43 in 48 games with the Avs.
- aecliptic

I get your point re: Parenteau, Torts said he couldn't skate. If the Rangers were 11 or 12 forwards strong and could afford the luxury of a player with such limited places he can play, i'd say keep him around. But, they aren't that deep.

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What would you do? Just not sign him? Give up the asset without any recovery?

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It all starts with your top six forwards; they produce and play well the bottom six have the space to develop their game.

When the top six isn't getting it done it puts more pressure, on the lesser forwards, to fill roles their talent level can't achieve.

The Rangers are better than most, as far as depth goes, they just need their so-called better forwards to get it done on a regular basis.

What would you do? Just not sign him? Give up the asset without any recovery?
- Pete V

If Clowe and his agent are reasonable, he has to return. Too much was given up for a rental that played almost half of the games he could have.

If Clowe and his agent are reasonable, he has to return. Too much was given up for a rental that played almost half of the games he could have.
- MidnightMarauder

It was unclear because Oldschool's post didn't quote, but I was talking about Zucarello. I just think it would be bad move to simply not sign him, because Mats Zucarello locked in for less than $1.5 million a year would have trade value.

What would you do? Just not sign him? Give up the asset without any recovery?
- Pete V

Yes, I would not sign him. He's not good enough for today's NHL to play top six minutes and he's useless on a 3rd or 4th line. The notion that there is some team out there who is ready to jump on a Zuccs acquisition at the deadline is really reaching IMHO.

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I think the depth isnt as bad as we make it out to be. We have Fast, Lindberg and Miller ready to make an impact on the pros.

As far as MZA, they already said that they will be resigning him... theres nothing we can do about it. If he going to be here, and play here... we have to put him in a position to succeed. Given his size and limitations defensively, however possessing a very good pass... playing him on the top line makes the most sense. If we had a more solid/experienced/reliable/scoring LW for the 2nd line, Id say play him on the RW there, but thats not the case. On top of that with Richards potentially centering the 2nd line with Kreider, putting MZA on that line would make that the worst defensive line in the NHL.