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Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Jun 25 @ 11:51 AM ET
And these are only the drafted players

Michael Handzus, Ray Emery, Ben Earger and Dan Carcillo.

- dingo8urbaby



... and Mark Recchi.
dingo8urbaby
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.02.2009

Jun 25 @ 11:52 AM ET
... and Mark Recchi.
- Tomahawk

I just added him at the same time that you named him.

EDIT

I think outside of having a young puck mover and a legit young sniper, we have a solid young group. We have young 2 way forwards, young stay at home defense, young goaltending, young power forwards, young grinders and young playmaking. Maybe it's time the Flyers sit back and stay patient for...ohhh, I don't know, the next 10 years.
MeThatsWho
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 06.25.2013

Jun 25 @ 12:01 PM ET
Would Courtier and the 11th get us the 2nd?
flyer_nutter
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Unleash the Peanuts, MB
Joined: 10.16.2008

Jun 25 @ 12:04 PM ET
You know, the more I think of it...

I've been one of those preaching for a more balanced direction, and consistent philosophy, as well as patience.

Screw that. Make big deals, get crazy, and lets have some fun!

griouxmvp2012
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: NJ
Joined: 06.27.2011

Jun 25 @ 12:04 PM ET
Would Courtier and the 11th get us the 2nd?
- MeThatsWho

I think it should
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jun 25 @ 12:05 PM ET
Would Courtier and the 11th get us the 2nd?
- MeThatsWho



Who knows! But if that deal is made, what it should get is Paul Holmgren fired!
feelingkettle
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "No sir, I don't like it" Phil, PA
Joined: 11.13.2006

Jun 25 @ 12:05 PM ET
Would Courtier and the 11th get us the 2nd?
- MeThatsWho

Would the 2nd get us Eminger?
mikel33
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: United States, NJ
Joined: 08.09.2007

Jun 25 @ 12:06 PM ET
Would Courtier and the 11th get us the 2nd?
- MeThatsWho


I would think it would at least get us the 2nd. Courturier was considered for the #1 pick by some before he got sick. And with this deep draft an 11th could be like a 7th in another year. I would think we could get 2nd and another pick back.
Don'tForgetTocchet
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ground Zero Brooklyn
Joined: 02.08.2007

Jun 25 @ 12:08 PM ET
Who knows! But if that deal is made, what it should get is Paul Holmgren fired!
- MJL



Don'tForgetTocchet
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ground Zero Brooklyn
Joined: 02.08.2007

Jun 25 @ 12:08 PM ET
Would the 2nd get us Eminger?
- feelingkettle



Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Jun 25 @ 12:09 PM ET
Screw that. Make big deals, get crazy, and lets have some fun!
- flyer_nutter



BNA (Biggest Name Available)
MeThatsWho
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 06.25.2013

Jun 25 @ 12:10 PM ET
I think it should
- griouxmvp2012

I heard somewhere that it had been tossed around.
feelingkettle
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "No sir, I don't like it" Phil, PA
Joined: 11.13.2006

Jun 25 @ 12:11 PM ET
BNA (Biggest Name Available)
- Tomahawk

Who has the longest name out of the free agents available? Whoever it is, (frank)ing sign him.
griouxmvp2012
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: NJ
Joined: 06.27.2011

Jun 25 @ 12:16 PM ET
I heard somewhere that it had been tossed around.
- MeThatsWho

Where??
MeThatsWho
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 06.25.2013

Jun 25 @ 12:17 PM ET
Where??
- griouxmvp2012

It was last week. But I'm drawing a blank at the moment.
Buzzo
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Dauphin, MB
Joined: 02.07.2011

Jun 25 @ 12:23 PM ET
Bill sleeping in today? He probably deserves it.

Re: Coburn to Oilers rumor

Would Coburn straight up for Gagner get it done? We need cap relief, but im not sure how much Gagner would fetch for his new contract. I have always liked Gagner, but to me defense is more of a pressing need.
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Jun 25 @ 12:25 PM ET
Bill sleeping in today? He probably deserves it.

Re: Coburn to Oilers rumor

Would Coburn straight up for Gagner get it done? We need cap relief, but im not sure how much Gagner would fetch for his new contract. I have always liked Gagner, but to me defense is more of a pressing need.

- Buzzo



Oilers just extended a multi-year offer to Gagner.
Buzzo
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Dauphin, MB
Joined: 02.07.2011

Jun 25 @ 12:29 PM ET
Oilers just extended a multi-year offer to Gagner.
- Tomahawk


Not done yet, BUT I do really like his 2 way game and we need more 2 way forwards because imho thats where we suffered alot last season was the forwards caught losing there assignments and having leisurely skates back into there end of the rink.
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Jun 25 @ 12:36 PM ET
Not done yet, BUT I do really like his 2 way game and we need more 2 way forwards because imho thats where we suffered alot last season was the forwards caught losing there assignments and having leisurely skates back into there end of the rink.
- Buzzo



That would make sense, if Sam Gagner was actually a two-way forward.
youarewrong
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 07.07.2010

Jun 25 @ 12:37 PM ET
Someone go check on Bill.
youarewrong
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 07.07.2010

Jun 25 @ 12:39 PM ET
Not done yet, BUT I do really like his 2 way game and we need more 2 way forwards because imho thats where we suffered alot last season was the forwards caught losing there assignments and having leisurely skates back into there end of the rink.
- Buzzo


The forwards lost thier assignments because the Defense was slow getting to the puck and effectively moving it to the forwards moving up ice.

Streit will help this, no need to get more of what we already have.
Buzzo
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Dauphin, MB
Joined: 02.07.2011

Jun 25 @ 12:39 PM ET
That would make sense, if Sam Gagner was actually a two-way forward.
- Tomahawk


I watch quite a few Oiler games and he is solid in his own end, not saying he is labeled the typical 2 way forward, BUT he is more so then the likes that Briere, Schenn, Voracek, Hartnell, etc...many times they were caught losing there man, or failing to pick up the late guy coming in etc...just saying more 2 way guys is what we need is all.
Buzzo
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Dauphin, MB
Joined: 02.07.2011

Jun 25 @ 12:41 PM ET
The forwards lost thier assignments because the Defense was slow getting to the puck and effectively moving it to the forwards moving up ice.

Streit will help this, no need to get more of what we already have.

- youarewrong


youarewrong


Im talking more about the others team transition up the ice on our guys, I remember numerous times forwards losing there guy going to the net, or lack of hustle back into our end on the other teams rush...
SMS4016
Joined: 01.27.2011

Jun 25 @ 12:43 PM ET
Yea and we would have 7pick and the 11th that would be awesome
- griouxmvp2012

We could end up with risto/pulock and have ghost on our blueline in 2 or 3 years to go with schenn. Get a cheap vet and a # 1 like letang and blueline would be set for a decade. Ahh summertime dreaming, it's sooo great
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Jun 25 @ 12:44 PM ET
I watch quite a few Oiler games and he is solid in his own end, not saying he is labeled the typical 2 way forward, BUT he is more so then the likes that Briere, Schenn, Voracek, Hartnell, etc...many times they were caught losing there man, or failing to pick up the late guy coming in etc...just saying more 2 way guys is what we need is all.
- Buzzo



Gagner is supremely skilled, but he's small, slow-footed, often soft, poor on faceoffs, and his coaches have been careful to line-match him away from tough assignments... how is that an upgrade over any of our current centers (or even Briere, for that matter)?
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