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hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Jun 24 @ 8:53 PM ET
Wear your visors boys.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jun 24 @ 8:56 PM ET
So they wouldn't air some of the best hockey to be played all season in a prospective market in fear of causing high expectations? Talk about typical NHL marketing. We oughta show them a NJ PHX game to really get the blood pumping.
- GirouxForTheShow


I'm joking...
KINGKENZO
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: OMAR COMIN'..Head or Gut?.....Watching regular white people
Joined: 01.10.2008

Jun 24 @ 8:57 PM ET
What's up with all the flys buzzing the camera
ravishingone
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: United States, PA
Joined: 06.30.2007

Jun 24 @ 8:57 PM ET
I'm kind of starting to believe in the Bobby Ryan trade rumors. I'm not sure why the Ducks would want Coburn back, not because he isn't a useful piece, but they have a pretty good group of six, not to mention some guys close to being ready for the NHL.

The question becomes what is the proper value for top line winger (who is inconsistent) for top pairing d-man (who is inconsistent). Both were high draft choices and relatively close in age. #11 overall is just too steep in my opinion.
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Jun 24 @ 8:59 PM ET
Ok. Are we sure shaw is alive? He took a wicked wrister right off his bare temple
aosplayo
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Downingtown, PA
Joined: 01.14.2008

Jun 24 @ 9:00 PM ET
I'm kind of starting to believe in the Bobby Ryan trade rumors. I'm not sure why the Ducks would want Coburn back, not because he isn't a useful piece, but they have a pretty good group of six, not to mention some guys close to being ready for the NHL.

The question becomes what is the proper value for top line winger (who is inconsistent) for top pairing d-man (who is inconsistent). Both were high draft choices and relatively close in age. #11 overall is just too steep in my opinion.

- ravishingone




Id consider Ryan streaky but not inconsistent if that makes sense. The guy is a lock for 30 goals a year, the last 4 years I believe.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jun 24 @ 9:03 PM ET
Exile
- BiggE



LJF
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Jersey Baby Jersey
Joined: 04.17.2009

Jun 24 @ 9:03 PM ET
There's no explaining being a Carbomb fan. You just are one, logic cannot apply.
- BulliesPhan87



I'm a Rinaldo fan also. Actually might like him better. I just like those type of players.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jun 24 @ 9:04 PM ET
Great first period. Ice was bad at the end, or it would be 2-0.
griouxmvp2012
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: NJ
Joined: 06.27.2011

Jun 24 @ 9:07 PM ET
Great first period. Ice was bad at the end, or it would be 2-0.
- MJL

I think the hawks win tonite
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Jun 24 @ 9:07 PM ET
Awsesome. Can't decide what Album I like best. Let It Bleed. Exile on Main St, or Sticky Fingers.

Speaking of Can't You Hear Me Knocking. They did it in Philly with Mick Taylor.

- MJL


I heard the shows were great. I always loved beggars banquet.
Sticky fingers a very close 2nd
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jun 24 @ 9:09 PM ET
I heard the shows were great. I always loved beggars banquet.
Sticky fingers a very close 2nd

- Just5



Heard the same thing. Wish I could've gone, but I couldn't. Might never be back.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jun 24 @ 9:10 PM ET
I think the hawks win tonite
- griouxmvp2012


I don't know, Bruins look very determined.
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Jun 24 @ 9:11 PM ET
Love them all. Especially Monkey Man. What a great song.


Yes, I'm a sack of broken eggs
I always have an unmade bed
Don't you?


Awesome!

- MJL


Oh yea the opening with the piano always makes me laugh for some reason. Badass song
ravishingone
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: United States, PA
Joined: 06.30.2007

Jun 24 @ 9:12 PM ET
Id consider Ryan streaky but not inconsistent if that makes sense. The guy is a lock for 30 goals a year, the last 4 years I believe.
- aosplayo



A 30 goal scorer is impressive. But my question, looking at the two players involved is how much more compensation is needed to make it a "fair hockey trade"? Of course, I'm omitting the dire straits the Flyers d-core could become with this trade. Scoring is important, but Coburn has similar (maybe not equal) value. A d-man who can play over 23 minutes/gm, a lot of "hard" minutes on the PK is pretty valuable also. Instead of #11, what about #41 and another piece? From a hockey trade standpoint, I don't think what Ryan brings to the table as opposed to what Coburn brings to the table needs to be bridged by the #11 overall pick to make it a "fair hockey trade". Maybe I'm undervaluing scoring.
GirouxForTheShow
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Fuck you raff
Joined: 01.04.2009

Jun 24 @ 9:13 PM ET
I'm joking...
- Jsaquella


Oh I know you're not that dense but we wonder why such a great sport is behind NBA in tv rankings and then that poop happens.
griouxmvp2012
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: NJ
Joined: 06.27.2011

Jun 24 @ 9:19 PM ET
I don't know, Bruins look very determined.
- MJL

Yea they def do I agree I got the hawks in ot tho and I'm sticking to it
griouxmvp2012
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: NJ
Joined: 06.27.2011

Jun 24 @ 9:20 PM ET
A 30 goal scorer is impressive. But my question, looking at the two players involved is how much more compensation is needed to make it a "fair hockey trade"? Of course, I'm omitting the dire straits the Flyers d-core could become with this trade. Scoring is important, but Coburn has similar (maybe not equal) value. A d-man who can play over 23 minutes/gm, a lot of "hard" minutes on the PK is pretty valuable also. Instead of #11, what about #41 and another piece? From a hockey trade standpoint, I don't think what Ryan brings to the table as opposed to what Coburn brings to the table needs to be bridged by the #11 overall pick to make it a "fair hockey trade". Maybe I'm undervaluing scoring.
- ravishingone

Coburn cousins and 41st
fecondo
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Wading in the velvet sea, PA
Joined: 03.16.2008

Jun 24 @ 9:25 PM ET
I know im way late on the music conversation, but here's my opinion anyway

My most overrated band of all time is the doors. I love them, but compared to others band's they lack the technical musicality that makes music great.

Many people may say the Beatles are overrated, but they are the essential pop band. They basically created pop music, dominated it, and traversed into other realms of music. Some songs have rock, hard rock, country, jazz, and swing elements. They knew what they were good at and they did it well.

Personal top 3 bands for me, pink Floyd, grateful dead, and led zeppelin. For me, they each provide a certain aspect of rock that the others lack. Pink Floyd had the psychedelic rock. The dead had slot of psychedelic elements but infused it all within long jams where each member plays off of each other perfectly. And zeppelin was pure rock. Not hard or heavy, just solid rock, while infusing jazz elements.

My favorite "current" band is the mars Volta. Mostly psychedelic rock with incredible guitar riffs, long jams, and cryptic lyrics.

And maroon 5's first album was pretty decent, before they went electronic and auto-tuned every word.

My opinion for what its worth sorry its a long post
aosplayo
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Downingtown, PA
Joined: 01.14.2008

Jun 24 @ 9:25 PM ET
A 30 goal scorer is impressive. But my question, looking at the two players involved is how much more compensation is needed to make it a "fair hockey trade"? Of course, I'm omitting the dire straits the Flyers d-core could become with this trade. Scoring is important, but Coburn has similar (maybe not equal) value. A d-man who can play over 23 minutes/gm, a lot of "hard" minutes on the PK is pretty valuable also. Instead of #11, what about #41 and another piece? From a hockey trade standpoint, I don't think what Ryan brings to the table as opposed to what Coburn brings to the table needs to be bridged by the #11 overall pick to make it a "fair hockey trade". Maybe I'm undervaluing scoring.
- ravishingone



I dont think youre undervaluing it. Coburn is a minutes eater for sure, and on this team that is more valuable, especially with the age on the backend. The scoring should be there with the younger players who underachieved last year in the goals department, along with Hartnell and Briere. It was a total team effort in not lighting the lamp, sans G and JAke.
jstross
Joined: 06.25.2012

Jun 24 @ 9:29 PM ET
SIAP:

Backstrom resigned with the wild. 3 year deal.
ravishingone
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: United States, PA
Joined: 06.30.2007

Jun 24 @ 9:32 PM ET
I dont think youre undervaluing it. Coburn is a minutes eater for sure, and on this team that is more valuable, especially with the age on the backend. The scoring should be there with the younger players who underachieved last year in the goals department, along with Hartnell and Briere. It was a total team effort in not lighting the lamp, sans G and JAke.
- aosplayo



I believe the reason why this deal has a good chance of getting done is in particular over the last couple of years the Flyers haven't exactly gone into "stealth mode" when trying to make trades. Outside of the Mike Richards trade and probably Grossmann, all of the other trades were already in the media - Versteeg, Carter, L. Schenn, Bryz, Weber.
Ace Manly
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Canada, SK
Joined: 10.01.2007

Jun 24 @ 9:34 PM ET
Today was the autograpgh day at Scotty's last charity golf tournament, so I left work early, took my Hammer autograhed jersey and my Flyers golf bag and headed in.
There were 10 Flyers there(at least they are currently Flyers lol), and everyone signed my items and took a pic with me.
When you live in dirtlump Sask these opportunities don't happen often, so it was very cool, even for a cough cough, mature fellow like myself.

Side notes
Everyone was cool but I didn't care for Jody Shelley much.
Everyone really liked the golf bag and asked where I got it.
Schenn boys were the coolest.
Holtby had the longest line there. (I walked right up to Scotty)
It was a great day for a 40yr+ Flyer Fan !
fecondo
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Wading in the velvet sea, PA
Joined: 03.16.2008

Jun 24 @ 9:35 PM ET
I dont think youre undervaluing it. Coburn is a minutes eater for sure, and on this team that is more valuable, especially with the age on the backend. The scoring should be there with the younger players who underachieved last year in the goals department, along with Hartnell and Briere. It was a total team effort in not lighting the lamp, sans G and JAke.
- aosplayo

If they do acquire Ryan for Coburn +, I wouldnt be surprised if they trade Simmonds or hartnell for edler.
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Jun 24 @ 9:35 PM ET
SIAP:

Backstrom resigned with the wild. 3 year deal.

- jstross

Yup. Should the Nucks drag their feet buying out Lu I could see us trading for Emery's rights in the next few days.
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