Well, there's a couple of viable goaltending alternatives off the market. It's looking more and more like Bryz stays unless Lu gets bought out and we can get him here..
- Hextall271

Yea Im good with Lu if hes bought out, I wouldnt trade for him unless it was some Edler/Lu blockbuster, but then youd have to be willing to part with Coots which has been discussed at nauseum.

Lu wouldnt be anymore of a circus than Bryz was, and its not like he has a rep for being a bad teammate, he has a crappy contract and theres a younger guy on the team thats good, atleast thats the perception I have.

He's no Manny Malhotra, but for a top-10 offensive forward in the league, he's well above average. His two-way game is still a work in progress, but I wouldn't discount his persistent desire to always get better, as we've seen with his consistent improvement at the dot.

Crosby, Datsyuk, Toews... none of them entered the league as completely polished defensive players. G's only entering his 5th year in the league... I don't see any reason why he can't improve to the point where his defensive game is a real asset.
- Tomahawk

I dont think anyone is saying that.. just right now.. he is just average.

Yea Im good with Lu if hes bought out, I wouldnt trade for him unless it was some Edler/Lu blockbuster, but then youd have to be willing to part with Coots which has been discussed at nauseum.

Lu wouldnt be anymore of a circus than Bryz was, and its not like he has a rep for being a bad teammate, he has a crappy contract and theres a younger guy on the team thats good, atleast thats the perception I have.
- aosplayo

We would have to shed considerable amounts of salary to do that.

Hell, just thinking of it would put us over the cap for the next decade.

I think that is a bit of a jump... I dont know if he will ever be even worthy of Selke talk.. I havent seen anything that would suggest that. I do think he could be much better, but also nothing to suggest he would be the best on the team.
- jak521

I see it on his good nights. He shows definite flashes of defensive excellence.

If Bryz gets bought out I have a hard time seeing another team talking a chance on him. Its probably KHL or nothing, which would explain the recent erratic behavior by his agent.
- hereticpride

NJ. I can also see them winning the cup too just spite the Flyers. Unlike Flyers they can play defence and they have a back up goalie that can actually handle a NHL game (Shot at the flyers before Mason came)

No, the Flyers made it to the second round of the playoffs without Carter and Richards, beating Pittsburgh in six in the first round.

That was as far as the Flyers got in 2011, after beating Buffalo in the first round.

And I would argue that the Flyers are not worse off in the short term for trading Richards and Carter. They're worse off from losing Chris Pronger -- that's the loss that can't be quantified or replaced.
- AllInForFlyers

There is no question that the Flyers took a short term step back by trading Richards and Carter.

leave it to the hippy to destroy earth
- jak521

Blame Shero.

Edit: And gender roles.

I don't. I view the Bobrovsky thing as a huge Lavi (frank)up. Always have, always will.

Beyond that...meh.
- wolfhounds

I disagree. Bobrovsky never becoming the number 1 goaltender had more to do with the signing of Bryzgalov then anything else. Bob saw plenty of playing time. He even took over the Winter Classic which was suppose to be Bryzgalov's starting job. I might even point out that Bob didn't play very well in the 3rd period of that game.

We would have to shed considerable amounts of salary to do that.

Hell, just thinking of it would put us over the cap for the next decade.
- jak521

Any trade for Luongo would also have to have a corresponding amount of salary going in the other direction. "My salary cap problem for your salary cap problem".

Otherwise, such a trade for Luongo doesn't work.

I dont think anyone is saying that.. just right now.. he is just average.
- jak521

For a point-per-game player, decent is already pretty good. I mean, he could be as bad as Malkin or Kane or the Sedins... but he's only 25 and already average+.

Let's just say Giroux's two-way game isn't keeping me up at nights the way Bryzgalov does, or Mark Streit will.

trying to get his client out of philly
- isaiah520

All he has to do then is tell Holmgren, Luuko, etc. that he wants out. I asked you this before, why would his agent have to go through all this. If a player wants out, simply request a trade, and make it known directly to the team that he'll be unhappy here. Versus what you speculate.

And one other question. The quote you provided from the Agent. Bryzgalov's rights were acquired on June 7th. He was signed to a 9 year deal on June 23rd. Why exactly would he have gotten another offer on July 1?

We would have to shed considerable amounts of salary to do that.

Hell, just thinking of it would put us over the cap for the next decade.
- jak521

I think itd be possible, the real pinch would be next year, but after that the cap goes back up right? Which just raises the question of why lower it at all just so guys get bought out, teams get compliant, and then raise it back to the current level or close there to?

I do like Edlers cap hit, probably comparable to what Coots would be under a new deal, not that Im advocating getting rid of Sean, I like him a lot but thats what would likely be required

I think itd be possible, the real pinch would be next year, but after that the cap goes back up right? Which just raises the question of why lower it at all just so guys get bought out, teams get compliant, and then raise it back to the current level or close there to?


- aosplayo

Not sure why they did it, but it probably has a temporary effect of keeping salaries flat (if not down) for a year. Maybe two.

Yea Im good with Lu if hes bought out, I wouldnt trade for him unless it was some Edler/Lu blockbuster, but then youd have to be willing to part with Coots which has been discussed at nauseum.

Lu wouldnt be anymore of a circus than Bryz was, and its not like he has a rep for being a bad teammate, he has a crappy contract and theres a younger guy on the team thats good, atleast thats the perception I have.
- aosplayo

I wouldn't acquire him in a trade. If he were to be bought out, then I'd buy out Bryz and try to get him on a reasonable deal. I am gonna ask some vancouver fans if they think he'll get bought out, because I don't see any takers on a trade for significant assets.

I wouldn't acquire him in a trade. If he were to be bought out, then I'd buy out Bryz and try to get him on a reasonable deal. I am gonna ask some vancouver fans if they think he'll get bought out, because I don't see any takers on a trade for significant assets.
- Hextall271

Yea the market for him seems to be decreasing by a team a day, so by the draft theyre gonna be looking for the fat chick at the middle school dance. We can be that fat chick!

I think itd be possible, the real pinch would be next year, but after that the cap goes back up right? Which just raises the question of why lower it at all just so guys get bought out, teams get compliant, and then raise it back to the current level or close there to?

I do like Edlers cap hit, probably comparable to what Coots would be under a new deal, not that Im advocating getting rid of Sean, I like him a lot but thats what would likely be required
- aosplayo

Edler is set to begin the first year of his 5 year 25 mill contract. Lugo is making 5.3

Your talking adding 10.3 mil to this team.. thats insane to me. It would take some serious.. SERIOUS finagling

There is no question that the Flyers took a short term step back by trading Richards and Carter.
- MJL

I felt they stayed in the same position. Playoff success is mostly about luck. You can take a Stanley cup team and keep them together but that does not win you a second cup straight. Look at LA. Flyers sucked because their defence fell apart. Meszaros was constantly injured, Coburn struggled, Gervais was awful, Timonen was playing on a bad foot, Gustaffson has not shown any promise, Foster was bust. The only Dman who had a good year was Schenn.

The loss of Carle was huge. No one could move the puck, the transition from Defence to offence was horrendous. There was no one to anchor the 2nd PP unit. Carle also was a guy who played 20+ mins a game, not an easy guy to replace. Also you have to take into account in a 48 game schedule there is not much time for adjustment. The offence was not clicking as well. Too many games went by where the Flyers only scored 1-2 goals.

Edler is set to begin the first year of his 5 year 25 mill contract. Lugo is making 5.3

Your talking adding 10.3 mil to this team.. thats insane to me. It would take some serious.. SERIOUS finagling
- jak521

I also noticed Alex Edler was recently extended. I'm not sure why Vancouver would trade him, especially if Bobby Lu is on the way out.

Edler is set to begin the first year of his 5 year 25 mill contract. Lugo is making 5.3

Your talking adding 10.3 mil to this team.. thats insane to me. It would take some serious.. SERIOUS finagling
- jak521

Bryz and Lu a wash money wise, and we will likey move a Dman since we have 100? Then whoever else is included in the package for Edler, Read, Couts. That should be close. Its insane to me that Edler and Streit have comparable cap hits.

I disagree. Bobrovsky never becoming the number 1 goaltender had more to do with the signing of Bryzgalov then anything else. Bob saw plenty of playing time. He even took over the Winter Classic which was suppose to be Bryzgalov's starting job. I might even point out that Bob didn't play very well in the 3rd period of that game.
- dingo8urbaby

I will disagree, it was Lavi's mishandling of the goaltending before Bryz was even signed that led to the signing of Bryz.

Yea the market for him seems to be decreasing by a team a day, so by the draft theyre gonna be looking for the fat chick at the middle school dance. We can be that fat chick!
- aosplayo

Gillis is desperate to unload him for something. If we could trade a lower pick and prospect maybe to eat his salary i would consider it, but the issue is his contract is damn long and we'd be right back into the same situation as with Bryz if it doesn't work out. I would go hard for him if he's bought out. Wait til that period begins, if he's bought out, talk to the agent and if you could do 3 years like 12 mil, then immediately buy out Bryz and sign Lu. You upgrade goal, on a shorter contract and less money. Lu on Mason together would be a solid tandem IMO.

I will disagree, it was Lavi's mishandling of the goaltending before Bryz was even signed that led to the signing of Bryz.
- MBFlyerfan

Yea the market for him seems to be decreasing by a team a day, so by the draft theyre gonna be looking for the fat chick at the middle school dance. We can be that fat chick!
- aosplayo

Flyer goalie options are dwindling down as well unless Canucks take half of Lou's salary think its a bad move. I bet he gets bought out, Lou knows he has a bad contract and other teams know it too.

Edler is set to begin the first year of his 5 year 25 mill contract. Lugo is making 5.3

Your talking adding 10.3 mil to this team.. thats insane to me. It would take some serious.. SERIOUS finagling
- jak521

Not even Chucky Marstein could make that accounting right. Even with 10 fingers.

Edler is set to begin the first year of his 5 year 25 mill contract. Lugo is making 5.3

Your talking adding 10.3 mil to this team.. thats insane to me. It would take some serious.. SERIOUS finagling
- jak521

Agreed. I think the only way I am in on Lu is if he gets bought out.