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HB77
Edmonton Oilers
Location: PC is a genius for drafting mcdavid
Joined: 02.20.2007

Jun 23 @ 6:12 PM ET
CLOUTIER.

Klefbom is our top d prospect but Cloutier is the only one who treats him like that. Cloutier doesn't speak for anyone but himself.

- Morris

dude...

I didn't see this before I posted. u do this to me too often. im starting to get a complex...
Oilers4Life14
Detroit Red Wings
Location: ON
Joined: 03.06.2013

Jun 23 @ 6:12 PM ET
When Gagner puts up consistent seasons, then we can all properly evaluate him.

He had 1 good season since he's been in the league so we all need to stop talking as if the guy is amongst the top players in the league.

Can he put up the same numbers next season, possibly but i'm not totally convinced. And so many players, once they get a brand new contract worth millions, they disappear so that's another reason i'm not completely sold on Gagner.

Agree or disagree but 1 yr doesn't make you a stud!!!

- newmy


Consistent 40's, he's only 23. Plus he is no Hall, Eberle, Nuge, or Yakupov. And as your saying "Agree or disagree but 1 yr doesn't make you a stud!!! " you are also saying the same thing for Gardiner ( Sorry for the spelling, I do not know how to spell his name )
hickey17
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 06.19.2006

Jun 23 @ 6:13 PM ET
Leafs fans. The cream of the IQ crop.
- TheNugeIsHuge


I guess we'll see buddy! It's my opinion but if you guys throw in Horcoff it's a done deal And just like Gardiner's potential, your IQ is also through the roof
HB77
Edmonton Oilers
Location: PC is a genius for drafting mcdavid
Joined: 02.20.2007

Jun 23 @ 6:13 PM ET
When Gagner puts up consistent seasons, then we can all properly evaluate him.

He had 1 good season since he's been in the league so we all need to stop talking as if the guy is amongst the top players in the league.

Can he put up the same numbers next season, possibly but i'm not totally convinced. And so many players, once they get a brand new contract worth millions, they disappear so that's another reason i'm not completely sold on Gagner.

Agree or disagree but 1 yr doesn't make you a stud!!!

- newmy

his rookie season was very strong too. just sayin

but I can agree that his full value is far from realized. we'll see in a few years
TML60
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 04.18.2013

Jun 23 @ 6:15 PM ET
Leafs traded for Bernier because the Oilers wanted Bernier but Kings wouldn't trade Oilers Bernier.
I suggest Gardiner+Bernier+3rd round pick for Gagner+Paajarvi+5th round pick

I like Dubnyk as Oilers starting Goalie..but Bernier would be a solid backup for now, in a year or two they could split 40 games a piece and after that decide whose the long term number one in Edmonton.

- oilers2k14

6Karlsson5
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 01.26.2013

Jun 23 @ 6:15 PM ET
CLOUTIER.

Klefbom is our top d prospect but Cloutier is the only one who treats him like that. Cloutier doesn't speak for anyone but himself.

- Morris

Oh so you don't think he is going to be a top 4 dman?
RedC21
Calgary Flames
Joined: 01.18.2013

Jun 23 @ 6:16 PM ET
Gagner was on pace for 65. No matter. Reimer was a top 10 goalie this year. Gardiner is a blue chip prospect (albeit not worth 7th overall or more )

Cloutier just made this blog to piss off leafs fans and get tons of hits

- TheNugeIsHuge


Gagner had 38 this year. Only two players to get more points then him on the leafs were kadri and kessel.
Oilers4Life14
Detroit Red Wings
Location: ON
Joined: 03.06.2013

Jun 23 @ 6:16 PM ET
Getting some more 1st overall picks may be a good idea, because then you guys might make the playoffs lol
- 6Karlsson5


Seriously, us Oiler fans stick by our team, we really do not care how we do. Now look at Sens fans, Ottawa Sun, people at SoctiaBank Place, so um? Where are all the Sens fans. Seriously it is 50/50 between the two teams fans at Soctiabank. All the "Sens fans" come out near the playoffs...
6Karlsson5
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 01.26.2013

Jun 23 @ 6:17 PM ET
Gagner Value is higher then Gardiner.
- AlEx_OiL

Good to know
TheNugeIsHuge
Edmonton Oilers
Location: McJesus, AB
Joined: 01.09.2013

Jun 23 @ 6:18 PM ET
Yet Klefbom is like Jesus to you oilers fans and he has never even stepped foot in the NHL but yeah keep acting like the leafs would be privileged for you to take Gardnier off there hands, there is a reason why Richard bring him up alot in his blogs... Because Gardnier is good
- 6Karlsson5


He's jesus to Cloutier. We all know he's a prospect. I think he has a similar ceiling to gardiner, a #3D man. Difference being Gardiner has proven he can play the NA game and Klefbom hasn't.

You leafs fans eat up what Clouts says and assume all oiler fans think the same thing
AlEx_OiL
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Machu Picchu, AB
Joined: 02.28.2011

Jun 23 @ 6:18 PM ET
I actually like both players for different reasons, but come on, your posting statistics against a forward vs defence?
- wicket

Is not just the stats,but age and the amount of seasoning that both players have this far,and right now Gagner have show to the Oilers at a young age that he can produce and will produce even better now that's got better wingers,Gardiner had only one full season at age of 23 and not one knows if he is going to get better or not,that's why I see Gagner having a higher value then Gardiner right now.
TheNugeIsHuge
Edmonton Oilers
Location: McJesus, AB
Joined: 01.09.2013

Jun 23 @ 6:18 PM ET
I actually like both players for different reasons, but come on, your posting statistics against a forward vs defence?
- wicket


I think he's really comparing where they've played at the same age
Oilers4Life14
Detroit Red Wings
Location: ON
Joined: 03.06.2013

Jun 23 @ 6:20 PM ET
He's jesus to Cloutier. We all know he's a prospect. I think he has a similar ceiling to gardiner, a #3D man. Difference being Gardiner had proven he can play the NA game and Klefbom hasn't.

You leafs fans eat up what Clouts says and assume all oiler fans think the same thing

- TheNugeIsHuge


Leafs fan's brains are about the size of a red dot on a green leaf...
6Karlsson5
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 01.26.2013

Jun 23 @ 6:20 PM ET
Seriously, us Oiler fans stick by our team, we really do not care how we do. Now look at Sens fans, Ottawa Sun, people at SoctiaBank Place, so um? Where are all the Sens fans. Seriously it is 50/50 between the two teams fans at Soctiabank. All the "Sens fans" come out near the playoffs...
- Oilers4Life14

Yeah all the oiler fans come out near the playoffs...oh wait I forgot they come out for the first overall draft party, I wish I could attend 3 of those
TheNugeIsHuge
Edmonton Oilers
Location: McJesus, AB
Joined: 01.09.2013

Jun 23 @ 6:20 PM ET
When Gagner puts up consistent seasons, then we can all properly evaluate him.

He had 1 good season since he's been in the league so we all need to stop talking as if the guy is amongst the top players in the league.

Can he put up the same numbers next season, possibly but i'm not totally convinced. And so many players, once they get a brand new contract worth millions, they disappear so that's another reason i'm not completely sold on Gagner.

Agree or disagree but 1 yr doesn't make you a stud!!!

- newmy


No one said he was a top player in the league. Only oiler that's a top player right now is Hall.

Gagner plays as Yak's C for one year and finishes 16th in C scoring. You guys must not realize what good teammates'll do. kessel's a stud, get him a good C n he'll put up 90P
TheNugeIsHuge
Edmonton Oilers
Location: McJesus, AB
Joined: 01.09.2013

Jun 23 @ 6:22 PM ET
Getting some more 1st overall picks may be a good idea, because then you guys might make the playoffs lol
- 6Karlsson5




Real creative bud. Never heard that one. Oh oh! How about this?

What's the difference between a bra and the senators franchise? A bra has two more cups
TheNugeIsHuge
Edmonton Oilers
Location: McJesus, AB
Joined: 01.09.2013

Jun 23 @ 6:23 PM ET
Oh so you don't think he is going to be a top 4 dman?
- 6Karlsson5


there's a difference between being a top 4 D man, and being "EDM's saviour" you dumb sh*t
6Karlsson5
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 01.26.2013

Jun 23 @ 6:23 PM ET
He's jesus to Cloutier. We all know he's a prospect. I think he has a similar ceiling to gardiner, a #3D man. Difference being Gardiner had proven he can play the NA game and Klefbom hasn't.

You leafs fans eat up what Clouts says and assume all oiler fans think the same thing

- TheNugeIsHuge

Im not a leafs fan
ystoil
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Edmonton
Joined: 02.26.2011

Jun 23 @ 6:24 PM ET


Real creative bud. Never heard that one. Oh oh! How about this?

What's the difference between a bra and the senators franchise? A bra has two more cups

- TheNugeIsHuge



6Karlsson5
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 01.26.2013

Jun 23 @ 6:24 PM ET
there's a difference between being a top 4 D man, and being "EDM's saviour" you dumb sh*t
- TheNugeIsHuge

Never said he was "EDM's savior" you dumb sh*t
TheNugeIsHuge
Edmonton Oilers
Location: McJesus, AB
Joined: 01.09.2013

Jun 23 @ 6:24 PM ET
Im not a leafs fan
- 6Karlsson5


you might as well be with your deep insight and flowing knowledge
TheNugeIsHuge
Edmonton Oilers
Location: McJesus, AB
Joined: 01.09.2013

Jun 23 @ 6:25 PM ET
Never said he was "EDM's savior" you dumb sh*t
- 6Karlsson5


Klefbom is like Jesus to you oilers fans


for (frank) sakes buddy
pbrsimps
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 10.06.2011

Jun 23 @ 6:26 PM ET
Gagner's a good player, but I would rather try and get a bigger center, even if they put up less points. Also, you're crazy if you think riemer and gardiner for gagner and nick schultz is even close to fair.
I wouldnt do gardiner for gagner straight up.
Also, dont want to trade phaneuf. He plays a lot bigger role for the leafs most people realize and even though he makes a lot of bone headed plays, I really think he would be a solid minute eater if they played him for like 23 min instead of 27 per game.
TheNugeIsHuge
Edmonton Oilers
Location: McJesus, AB
Joined: 01.09.2013

Jun 23 @ 6:27 PM ET
I've had enough talking to leafs fans and this one dumbass sens fan for one day. I feel dumber already. This poor 14YO had to witness this
HB77
Edmonton Oilers
Location: PC is a genius for drafting mcdavid
Joined: 02.20.2007

Jun 23 @ 6:27 PM ET
Oh so you don't think he is going to be a top 4 dman?
- 6Karlsson5

he might be. got the potential and pedigree.
being excited about a prospect isn't the same as claiming he's gonna be a superstar.

time will tell.

I realize not being able to generalize and lump all fans of a team into one boat puts abit of dent in your comments. but that's just the way it works.
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