Then acquire him & move one of the other skilled guys instead. All skill wins you nothing, players like Simmonds bring you the big time performances come playoff time.

He & Lucic & Callahan i'd take anyday over a bunch of skilled players!!
- newmy

I agree

Then acquire him & move one of the other skilled guys instead. All skill wins you nothing, players like Simmonds bring you the big time performances come playoff time.

He & Lucic & Callahan i'd take anyday over a bunch of skilled players!!
- newmy

We need to compliment the skill, not replace it. Maybe we get a cheaper guy for 2 or 3 years and develop Khari and Moroz...I mean, that IS the game plan right now, developing prospects.

There are no garauntee's with picks. But it's a very good pick for a draft this deep. I would feel really dumb if we traded the pick and the Flyers drafted,say, Linholm and he became basically the next Peter Forsberg.
- Jeropotato

Is a risk but is a risk I would take if we can get Simmonds.

Again, I think we can get a guy to create space for Nuge and Ebs for a cheap price both in terms of contract and what we have to give up. And then we'd have the 7th pick as well.

When I say we don't NEED Simmonds, I mean we do need a two-way bruiser type, but it doesn't need to be one of the best in the business.

I agree about Penner
- Morris

What about Zack Kassian?

jesus (frank) this blog was written six hours ago and has 27 pages of comments already?

Then acquire him & move one of the other skilled guys instead. All skill wins you nothing, players like Simmonds bring you the big time performances come playoff time.

He & Lucic & Callahan i'd take anyday over a bunch of skilled players!!
- newmy

I don't think anyone's suggesting building an all skill team. We were just suggesting adding a cheaper, less offensive tough player as opposed to adding a true power forward.

I don't know that I like Simmonds so much that I'd commit to trading the 7th (realistically the 7th +) for him, AND being forced to trade a younger, more skilled player just because we're paranoid we won't be able to compete. A more measured approach where we add toughness without sacrificing our core players makes more sense to me.

We need to compliment the skill, not replace it. Maybe we get a cheaper guy for 2 or 3 years and develop Khari and Moroz...I mean, that IS the game plan right now, developing prospects.
- Jeropotato

I don't believe that's MacT plan.

What about Zack Kassian?
- Jeropotato

What a brutal trade that was for the Canucks!!

I agree
- AlEx_OiL

based on the premise that the flyers are trading simmonds and that we'd get him for a 7th, right?

Is a risk but is a risk I would take if we can get Simmonds.
- AlEx_OiL

It's too soon to start mortgaging the future on a player we dont really need. Now if it's a #1 D with 4-5 years of contract left,or a 1a C with size,skill and grit then maybe, but we can get a "poor mans" Simmonds somewhere cheaper.

I don't think anyone's suggesting building an all skill team. We were just suggesting adding a cheaper, less offensive tough player as opposed to adding a true power forward.

I don't know that I like Simmonds so much that I'd commit to trading the 7th (realistically the 7th +) for him, AND being forced to trade a younger, more skilled player just because we're paranoid we won't be able to compete. A more measured approach where we add toughness without sacrificing our core players makes more sense to me.
- Morris

Wow!! I guarantee you if the Flyers offered up Simmonds for the 7th pick, MacT would be salivating, in fact he might be down right in shock mode!! He'd be celebrating so fast, it would make the entire city spin!!

What a brutal trade that was for the Canucks!!
- newmy

I actually don't hate Kassian as a prospect. In fact, I would be willing to move Ben Eager for him.

I don't think anyone's suggesting building an all skill team. We were just suggesting adding a cheaper, less offensive tough player as opposed to adding a true power forward.

I don't know that I like Simmonds so much that I'd commit to trading the 7th (realistically the 7th +) for him, AND being forced to trade a younger, more skilled player just because we're paranoid we won't be able to compete. A more measured approach where we add toughness without sacrificing our core players makes more sense to me.
- Morris

Of course but remember MacT going to make bold moves.

Wow!! I guarantee you if the Flyers offered up Simmonds for the 7th pick, MacT would be salivating, in fact he might be down right in shock mode!! He'd be celebrating so fast, it would make the entire city spin!!
- newmy

Maybe. I think your over valuing Simmonds a touch.

Because players like him don't come around very often. That's why the Oilers would be stupid not to ask if he's available & dangle the 7th pick to acquire him.

I disagree with anyone saying they don't need Simmonds if he's available, he would instantly create more space for guys like RNH or Eberle or Yak or whoever they slot him in with & he's definitely a top 6 power forward.

And yet I hear Penner's name the other day - wow!!!

So what if you have to give up the 7th pick, there's no guarantee that pick will ever turn out. Simmonds is proven & has done so over the past 3yrs. The guy is exactly what the Oilers need, not another 18yr old draftee!!
- newmy

I don't think anyone's arguing that an 18 year old kid is the answer. I think they're saying that they might be able to fill that hole with a lesser and more economical option.

which in the big picture could help the team more.
a guy who's much cheaper than Simmonds or not as high profile, but still might be able to bring some of the same tools.
all the while still achieving the basic goal for nuge and ebs (space, toughness etc) and saving money for other areas of need.

Simmonds is a great power forward type and yes we'd love to have him. but not sure he's completely viable in or situation.
and this goes back to the whole 'now' comment. Simmonds for 1 or even 2 years, and then pricing himself out of edm cause we have to sign other guys, is not what we're looking for.

Of course but remember MacT going to make bold moves.
- AlEx_OiL

Getting rid of Kreuger,Horc,Hemmer...he said he would not move one of the kids, or at least they would be "remiss" to do so.

It's too soon to start mortgaging the future on a player we dont really need. Now if it's a #1 D with 4-5 years of contract left,or a 1a C with size,skill and grit then maybe, but we can get a "poor mans" Simmonds somewhere cheaper.
- Jeropotato

How can u say a player like Simmonds wouldn't fit it nicely to what the Oilers need? It's EXACTLY what they need!!

What has the talk been all year - adding size, muscle combined with top 6 skill & that's exactly what you get in a player like Simmonds.

You can't tell me you would not move the 7th for Simmonds straight across - a player who fights, scores between 20 & 25 goals per season & creates space for his linemates - that is more than enough for the 7th pick - GEEZ!!!

Wow!! I guarantee you if the Flyers offered up Simmonds for the 7th pick, MacT would be salivating, in fact he might be down right in shock mode!! He'd be celebrating so fast, it would make the entire city spin!!
- newmy

Again, why discuss a deal that doesn't exist, and probably never will?

In actuality, you probably pull the trigger on that deal and worry about the definite, huge cap issues it causes later.

But again, I'm acting on the reasonable premise that that deal is probably not on the table. I'm not seeking out Simmonds necessarily but if Philadelphia happens to put that deal on the table than yeah I imagine the oil would be prepared to lose the 7th fast.

weak sauce... more like Ryan Hamilton and Holzer for Gagner

Maybe. I think your over valuing Simmonds a touch.
- Jeropotato

And I think you're over-valuing the 7th pick way too much!!

It's too soon to start mortgaging the future on a player we dont really need. Now if it's a #1 D with 4-5 years of contract left,or a 1a C with size,skill and grit then maybe, but we can get a "poor mans" Simmonds somewhere cheaper.
- Jeropotato

Most teams need a Simmond,Lucic type of player,and is something the Oil need,now if you believe we can get a player any where near the same type of caliber of those players for cheap to play top 6 then i do hope your right but I don't see it with the exception maybe been Drew Stafford and he is a risk.

Of course but remember MacT going to make bold moves.
- AlEx_OiL

I don't think this neccasarily means trading the kids. but more signing a big name FA, or trading our 7th etc. these also qualify as BOLD moves

I don't think anyone's arguing that an 18 year old kid is the answer. I think they're saying that they might be able to fill that hole with a lesser and more economical option.

which in the big picture could help the team more.
a guy who's much cheaper than Simmonds or not as high profile, but still might be able to bring some of the same tools.
all the while still achieving the basic goal for nuge and ebs (space, toughness etc) and saving money for other areas of need.

Simmonds is a great power forward type and yes we'd love to have him. but not sure he's completely viable in or situation.
and this goes back to the whole 'now' comment. Simmonds for 1 or even 2 years, and then pricing himself out of edm cause we have to sign other guys, is not what we're looking for.
- hugefemale dog77

Especially since we have some big sexy bodies developing in the system.We just need to fill the gap for a few years.Not trading a major pick for a stop gap solution.

I don't think anyone's arguing that an 18 year old kid is the answer. I think they're saying that they might be able to fill that hole with a lesser and more economical option.

which in the big picture could help the team more.
a guy who's much cheaper than Simmonds or not as high profile, but still might be able to bring some of the same tools.
all the while still achieving the basic goal for nuge and ebs (space, toughness etc) and saving money for other areas of need.

Simmonds is a great power forward type and yes we'd love to have him. but not sure he's completely viable in or situation.
and this goes back to the whole 'now' comment. Simmonds for 1 or even 2 years, and then pricing himself out of edm cause we have to sign other guys, is not what we're looking for.
- hugefemale dog77

So then say good-bye to someone else - why would Simmonds have to price himself out, keep him & say good-bye to someone else.

based on the premise that the flyers are trading simmonds and that we'd get him for a 7th, right?
- Morris

Just for the 7th sure.