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newmy
Montreal Canadiens
Joined: 06.15.2012

Jun 23 @ 10:51 PM ET
Yeah, but we will need some ELC's in key positions in 2 or 3 years as well. I dont want to see a draftee go right in the line up either, but I think we'll get an important player with #7 this year. I think we explore cheaper (in both trade and salary) options while this next batch of kids develop (I dont even want to see Klefbom in the NHL next year).
Did your Habs decide to buyout Kaberle?

- Jeropotato



I hope so, the guy is long in the tooth for sure.
Reveen
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Who's your daddy ?, BC
Joined: 05.25.2011

Jun 23 @ 10:51 PM ET
Isn't he on the LW in your All BBC Team?
- Jeropotato


Yes, but he's (frank)ing useless when he plays the off wing.
HB77
Edmonton Oilers
Location: PC is a genius for drafting mcdavid
Joined: 02.20.2007

Jun 23 @ 10:51 PM ET
I don't know how a team like the Oilers, who haven't made the playoffs in 7 years are in absolute now mode. Conservatively, it's about 2-3 years before we'll start heavily competing for a cup, which means adding a top prospect is still a useful thing to do.
- Morris

I hadn't read this yet.......
Reveen
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Who's your daddy ?, BC
Joined: 05.25.2011

Jun 23 @ 10:51 PM ET
No it is not till second year
But have been working casual as an HCA this summer and sat in on it a couple times, and let me tell you, when it comes to catheters, women have it a lot (frank)ing easier than us guys.

- ruttager17


If I can help it nothing is ever going up my pee hole....
newmy
Montreal Canadiens
Joined: 06.15.2012

Jun 23 @ 10:52 PM ET
you would trade the 7th for Simmonds?

Wait till next year and the teams legit, those type of guys will come there via FA

I just think thats way to much

- PinkSock



There's no guarantee those players are going via FA!! I can't believe some of you would not trade the 7th for a player like Simmonds or Callahan. Unreal!!!!
Smurfs-A-Joke
Washington Capitals
Location: Markham, ON
Joined: 05.05.2013

Jun 23 @ 10:53 PM ET
is Simmonds a superstar?
- AlEx_OiL

No but he's exactly what the Oil need. Who says the 7th overall pick will be a superstar?
Juice
Location: "There are a few posters who a
Joined: 12.06.2007

Jun 23 @ 10:53 PM ET
Leafs traded for Bernier because the Oilers wanted Bernier but Kings wouldn't trade Oilers Bernier.
I suggest Gardiner+Bernier+3rd round pick for Gagner+Paajarvi+5th round pick

I like Dubnyk as Oilers starting Goalie..but Bernier would be a solid backup for now, in a year or two they could split 40 games a piece and after that decide whose the long term number one in Edmonton.

- oilers2k14

Sorry...I'm a ref but still:

Smurfs-A-Joke
Washington Capitals
Location: Markham, ON
Joined: 05.05.2013

Jun 23 @ 10:53 PM ET
There's no guarantee those players are going via FA!! I can't believe some of you would not trade the 7th for a player like Simmonds or Callahan. Unreal!!!!
- newmy

Exactly!!! They value the picks too much. A guy like Callahan is worth the 7th and a good prospect.
AlEx_OiL
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Machu Picchu, AB
Joined: 02.28.2011

Jun 23 @ 10:54 PM ET
if u mean now as in we should be making moves this summer to try and get to the playoffs, then I fully agree.

but we're not gonna be making any moves that sacrifice the future to try and win a cup now. we're not there yet. maybe im not understanding what u mean by 'now'.

our core is 19, 20, 21, 22, and 22!!
our window is just opening now. if oilers management play their cards right, we could be in the cup picture for ten years. of course a lot of factors are involved and only time will tell.

I think uve cooled off the brainless troll hating you used to do for sure, but ur basic premise still remains. the only way we get better is by trading one of the 5 kids. this is absolutely not true. look at the teams that built through the draft. they built around their core. not through it

and yes, id trade the 7th for Simmonds.

- hugefemale dog77


I do as well,He still young and yes I know he plays RW but something can be done.
Morris
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Hall looks disengaged, NS
Joined: 07.18.2007

Jun 23 @ 10:55 PM ET
Totally disagree. It's players like Simmonds who are still in their prime that can lift a team big-time with their physical play at the same time score 20 to 25 goals per season.

You don't need to add another 18yr old if you can acquire a guy like Simmonds - come on!!

- newmy

Why can't we acquire a lesser player for a lesser price AND use the pick? I don't think our top 6 needs another superstar, and I do think we'd risk either being cap hell or being unable to get our other pieces in place if we did that move.
Reveen
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Who's your daddy ?, BC
Joined: 05.25.2011

Jun 23 @ 10:56 PM ET
Sorry...I'm a ref but still:


- Juice


Sup Skeletor...... Could you please ban "TheNugeisHuge & OilHorse"
Morris
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Hall looks disengaged, NS
Joined: 07.18.2007

Jun 23 @ 10:56 PM ET
No but he's exactly what the Oil need. Who says the 7th overall pick will be a superstar?
- Smurfs-A-Joke

I disagree. I don't think the Oilers need a player of that calibre to solidify their top 6. I think they can do it more economically.
Reveen
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Who's your daddy ?, BC
Joined: 05.25.2011

Jun 23 @ 10:58 PM ET
I disagree. I don't think the Oilers need a player of that calibre to solidify their top 6. I think they can do it more economically.
- Morris


Drew Stafford
newmy
Montreal Canadiens
Joined: 06.15.2012

Jun 23 @ 10:59 PM ET
I disagree. I don't think the Oilers need a player of that calibre to solidify their top 6. I think they can do it more economically.
- Morris



Wow!! I'm not sure the Flyers would deal Simmonds for the 7th pick anyways.
Reveen
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Who's your daddy ?, BC
Joined: 05.25.2011

Jun 23 @ 11:00 PM ET
Wow!! I'm not sure the Flyers would deal Simmonds for the 7th pick anyways.
- newmy


Why not ?
AlEx_OiL
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Machu Picchu, AB
Joined: 02.28.2011

Jun 23 @ 11:00 PM ET
I disagree. I don't think the Oilers need a player of that calibre to solidify their top 6. I think they can do it more economically.
- Morris

If MacT can find a winger that can help the top six cheap I'm all good with that but if the Flyers offer Simmonds for the 7th pick I would take it and run fast.
Jeropotato
Season Ticket Holder
Edmonton Oilers
Joined: 01.03.2013

Jun 23 @ 11:00 PM ET
Those would be great players to get, and I agree with you about the price.

My thought is that the Oilers would still be a very good team if they got a guy like that, but with less offense (and for a lesser price). A banger who's brings defense and maybe 30ish points could help us a lot, especially if we didn't have to give up any of our young talent.

- Morris


That's what I'm saying. We dont need to add a bunch of expensive talent , just compliment the talent we have. I used Mikhail Renberg as an example from olden days but I think a high end 3rd liner would be fine. We dont need much more than 35-40 pints from the guy if he makes it so his 2 line mates get 70-80 each.
BigDre
Edmonton Oilers
Location: The only thing we win is a trophy for our captain who attends gay pride parades- Lahey, AB
Joined: 01.09.2012

Jun 23 @ 11:01 PM ET


You just go from bad to worse...

- Iggysbff


Lol
AlEx_OiL
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Machu Picchu, AB
Joined: 02.28.2011

Jun 23 @ 11:01 PM ET
Drew Stafford
- Reveen

Drew Stafford is a interesting choice but is a inconsistent player,it could work but is a risk and He's not that cheap.
Morris
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Hall looks disengaged, NS
Joined: 07.18.2007

Jun 23 @ 11:02 PM ET
Wow!! I'm not sure the Flyers would deal Simmonds for the 7th pick anyways.
- newmy

Well yeah, I'm not sure that's really on the table, so I'm not going to put my hopes on a made-up deal.

I'm not saying Simmonds isn't great, I am saying that we don't NEED him and we'd have a hard time affording everyone 2-3 years down the road.
Reveen
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Who's your daddy ?, BC
Joined: 05.25.2011

Jun 23 @ 11:03 PM ET
Drew Stafford is a interesting choice but is a inconsistent player,it could work but is a risk and He's not that cheap.
- AlEx_OiL


I think he would thrive in the shadow of all the young guns.
newmy
Montreal Canadiens
Joined: 06.15.2012

Jun 23 @ 11:05 PM ET
Why not ?
- Reveen



Because players like him don't come around very often. That's why the Oilers would be stupid not to ask if he's available & dangle the 7th pick to acquire him.

I disagree with anyone saying they don't need Simmonds if he's available, he would instantly create more space for guys like RNH or Eberle or Yak or whoever they slot him in with & he's definitely a top 6 power forward.

And yet I hear Penner's name the other day - wow!!!

So what if you have to give up the 7th pick, there's no guarantee that pick will ever turn out. Simmonds is proven & has done so over the past 3yrs. The guy is exactly what the Oilers need, not another 18yr old draftee!!
newmy
Montreal Canadiens
Joined: 06.15.2012

Jun 23 @ 11:08 PM ET
Well yeah, I'm not sure that's really on the table, so I'm not going to put my hopes on a made-up deal.

I'm not saying Simmonds isn't great, I am saying that we don't NEED him and we'd have a hard time affording everyone 2-3 years down the road.

- Morris



Then acquire him & move one of the other skilled guys instead. All skill wins you nothing, players like Simmonds bring you the big time performances come playoff time.

He & Lucic & Callahan i'd take anyday over a bunch of skilled players!!
Jeropotato
Season Ticket Holder
Edmonton Oilers
Joined: 01.03.2013

Jun 23 @ 11:08 PM ET
Because players like him don't come around very often. That's why the Oilers would be stupid not to ask if he's available & dangle the 7th pick to acquire him.

I disagree with anyone saying they don't need Simmonds if he's available, he would instantly create more space for guys like RNH or Eberle or Yak or whoever they slot him in with & he's definitely a top 6 power forward.

And yet I hear Penner's name the other day - wow!!!

So what if you have to give up the 7th pick, there's no guarantee that pick will ever turn out. Simmonds is proven & has done so over the past 3yrs. The guy is exactly what the Oilers need, not another 18yr old draftee!!

- newmy



There are no garauntee's with picks. But it's a very good pick for a draft this deep. I would feel really dumb if we traded the pick and the Flyers drafted,say, Linholm and he became basically the next Peter Forsberg.
Morris
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Hall looks disengaged, NS
Joined: 07.18.2007

Jun 23 @ 11:09 PM ET
Because players like him don't come around very often. That's why the Oilers would be stupid not to ask if he's available & dangle the 7th pick to acquire him.

I disagree with anyone saying they don't need Simmonds if he's available, he would instantly create more space for guys like RNH or Eberle or Yak or whoever they slot him in with & he's definitely a top 6 power forward.

And yet I hear Penner's name the other day - wow!!!

So what if you have to give up the 7th pick, there's no guarantee that pick will ever turn out. Simmonds is proven & has done so over the past 3yrs. The guy is exactly what the Oilers need, not another 18yr old draftee!!

- newmy

Again, I think we can get a guy to create space for Nuge and Ebs for a cheap price both in terms of contract and what we have to give up. And then we'd have the 7th pick as well.

When I say we don't NEED Simmonds, I mean we do need a two-way bruiser type, but it doesn't need to be one of the best in the business.

I agree about Penner
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