Why would a team pay a lot for a backup goalie? Makes zero sense.
- Scooby_Doo

well.. you would know

i'd rather send her somewhere where she wouldnt have to wear 16 layers of beaver pelts just to stay warm

that would be cruel...
- Dozzer

and unusual...

Why would a team pay a lot for a backup goalie? Makes zero sense.
- Scooby_Doo

So you guys don't expect much for Luongo or Schneider?

I think Toronto wins the deal by alot. Frattin is no more than a 3rd or 4th line player. Players who dont score a goal in 25 games are easliy to acquire. Goalies with the pedigree of a Bernier are not. Scrivens will be a career back up and who knows what the 2nd round pick will turn into. I think Toronto did very well in this deal and it's very hard for me to admit that.

- senstroll

get over it already.. its been 5 years

and... just cause one GM (frank)ed up doesnt mean the current one will

You don't have to pay a lot for a back-up goalie...What constitutes a lot for you?
- Flyfreaky

Your words not mine.

Your words not mine.
- Scooby_Doo

Not sure what your referencing?

Sounds like he's sad.




- robin_steele264

I'm a bit surprised by his reaction. He's always so upbeat and positive. Maybe he's read too much in the media about how this trade would affect him (i.e.: doubt himself or feel doubted by the organization) that he now thinks he should feel this way. If he thinks of the team first (which he usually seems to do) he would see that the team should be better now. Even though the situation for goalies is different than for forwards or defense, goalies still have to remember it's a team game and Reimer is still part of the team while Scrivens is not. I'd say the move shows more of a lack of faith in Scrivens who likely would never seriously challenge for the #1 spot. If the Leafs had no faith in Reimer they probably would have traded him for Bernier if they felt Bernier was clearly an upgrade at #1.

I think Toronto wins the deal by alot. Frattin is no more than a 3rd or 4th line player. Players who dont score a goal in 25 games are easliy to acquire. Goalies with the pedigree of a Bernier are not. Scrivens will be a career back up and who knows what the 2nd round pick will turn into. I think Toronto did very well in this deal and it's very hard for me to admit that.
- imsorry66

if bernier even gets just halfway to his ceiling the leafs win the deal

I think Toronto wins the deal by alot. Frattin is no more than a 3rd or 4th line player. Players who dont score a goal in 25 games are easliy to acquire. Goalies with the pedigree of a Bernier are not. Scrivens will be a career back up and who knows what the 2nd round pick will turn into. I think Toronto did very well in this deal and it's very hard for me to admit that.
- imsorry66

I think it was a low risk deal. Sounds more like Nonis... Burke on the other hand he was a gunslinger

well.. you would know


- Dozzer

I'm a bit surprised by his reaction. He's always so upbeat and positive. Maybe he's read too much in the media about how this trade would affect him (i.e.: doubt himself or feel doubted by the organization) that he now thinks he should feel this way. If he thinks of the team first (which he usually seems to do) he would see that the team should be better now. Even though the situation for goalies is different than for forwards or defense, goalies still have to remember it's a team game and Reimer is still part of the team while Scrivens is not. I'd say the move shows more of a lack of faith in Scrivens who likely would never seriously challenge for the #1 spot. If the Leafs had no faith in Reimer they probably would have traded him for Bernier if they felt Bernier was clearly an upgrade at #1.
- TML60

he finished his season by seriously poopting the bed in the playoffs

then the first big move made in the offseason is to bring in a new young goalie.

a blind man can read the writing on the wall here.

I think it was a low risk deal. Sounds more like Nonis... Burke on the other hand he was a gunslinger
- senstroll

Gota love gunslingers.

So you guys don't expect much for Luongo or Schneider?
- Feeling Glucky?

But they're both starters, Glucky. Didn't you know? It said so right here on hockeybuzz yesterday so it must be true.

I think you should sell Reimer high while the getting is good...Lots of teams will want him and packaged with other parts could bring a nice upgrade to the defense or center position...I'm sure Nonis is exploring all possibilities...
- Flyfreaky

Trade will hopefully be announced minutes after JB contract is signed.
If JB can catch a puck, control rebounds, and not make it an adventure
everytime he leaves the net to play the puck.....shots against should
be drastically reduced, improving overall team D.
IF

- Scooby_Doo

i bet gillis has the buyout paperwork already written up.. he just wont admit it

he finished his season by seriously poopting the bed in the playoffs

then the first big move made in the offseason is to bring in a new young goalie.

a blind man can read the writing on the wall here.
- Dozzer

Just another good reason to move him...

I think Toronto wins the deal by alot. Frattin is no more than a 3rd or 4th line player. Players who dont score a goal in 25 games are easliy to acquire. Goalies with the pedigree of a Bernier are not. Scrivens will be a career back up and who knows what the 2nd round pick will turn into. I think Toronto did very well in this deal and it's very hard for me to admit that.
- imsorry66

There are a lot of moving parts in this deal. I think Frattin and Scrivens both have a lot of potential, and I don;t like seeing them go so early on.

At the same time, Bernier is far from proven... he hasn't had a big workload yet, and prior to this season, he hasn't put up very good numbers either.

But they're both starters, Glucky. Didn't you know? It said so right here on hockeybuzz yesterday so it must be true.
- TML60

Canucks have two top 10 goalies.

Canucks have two top 10 goalies.
- Scooby_Doo

And 0 Cups...

Your words not mine.
- Scooby_Doo

I'm not sure that anyone should be looking to the Canucks or the Flyers for advice on handling goaltenders.

Canucks have two top 10 goalies.
- Scooby_Doo

Luongo would definitely fit into some team's top-10 goalies.

If any team had that many.

I'm not sure that anyone should be looking to the Canucks or the Flyers for advice on handling goaltenders.
- BorjeFan4Ever

Canucks have two top 10 goalies.
- Scooby_Doo

ya... but see how much their value has dropped, last summer around beginning of August they were both top 3 in the league

oyh hell.. if GMS operated like the "not the right time" folks wanted them to nothing would ever happen.

a GM needs to have some balls.. make moves that dont have a guarantee.. not gonna get very far if the GM just sits around with his thumbs jammed up his arse
- Dozzer

Exactly. If you're not moving ahead you're falling behind because every other team is trying to find ways to get better. I think this off season is going to be full of moves, unlike last year when everyone knew the lockout was coming.