Leafs are packing it in and rebuilding? Not sure how much sense this makes.
- burn

i don't see how nonis can send gardiner to edmonton, especially for gagner. i think if we trade gardiner and don't get a fair deal i won't be watching any leafs games next year

i'm fine with trading phaneuf, but who replaces the minutes he plays? koekoek won't be playing for a while if that is the actual deal. it is going to get interesting this week thats for sure

Batpoop crazy is right. I could only stomach so much of it. Talk about overvaluing Gagner.
- TML60

I sense sarcasm.

But I didnt even mean in the sense of the actual evaluations.

Just the way the guy was going off calling people stupid retards and whatever else. "All leaf fans are morons cuz this one guy under evaluated a player I want to suck off" and blah blah blah

personally not sure of this, CHFM of St. John's is claiming to know two credible sources speaking about two trades set to go down in Leaf Land.

first involves Jake Gardiner being reunited with Justin Shultz in Edmonton. Specific details not released. Next...

This trade is based on a rumor and i assume has no legs.

Main reason for my post is because in my wildest dreams i didn't believe Phaneuf was in play, until I saw this blog. So that makes it twice in two days that I heard Phaneuf is on the move. CHFM suggests that:

Dion Phaneuf will be moved to the Tampa Bay Lightning along with the 21st overall for Slater Koekkoek, Nate Thompson and the 3rd overall pick.

Personally I think it's all a farse.... However, these guys have broken the Versteeg deal when traded to Toronto as well as the Cammalleri trade back to Calgary that i know of.

don't shoot the messenger
- steve362

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Change thompson for connolly even if we have to add a bit and deal

Yo the Leafs should offer sheet Pietrangelo......

I can't believe there are Leaf fans that think the team gave up too much in the Bernier deal. Granted, it's for the rights to Bernier, but there's no way the Leafs make that deal if they weren't sure they could sign him. They honestly didn't give up very much. Frattin showed some promise this past year, but he's no better than a 3rd line forward. Scrivens will always be a backup. He's average at best. Heck, Jussi Rynnas has more upside than him. The second round pick is probably the most valuable piece they gave up in this trade. Once they sign Bernier, this will prove to be an absolute steal. They didn't have to give up any of the foundation pieces to acquire a potential franchise goalie. Reimer's a great guy who is capable of some very streaky play, but they'll never win with him as their #1 guy. I thought for sure they'd have to give up a guy like Jake Gardiner to get a goalie of this quality. Kudos to Dave Nonis and his people for making this deal.
- Smeagol

My thoughts exactly. But this is Leafsland, where every move is scrutinized. Even good ones.

personally not sure of this, CHFM of St. John's is claiming to know two credible sources speaking about two trades set to go down in Leaf Land.

first involves Jake Gardiner being reunited with Justin Shultz in Edmonton. Specific details not released. Next...

This trade is based on a rumor and i assume has no legs.

Main reason for my post is because in my wildest dreams i didn't believe Phaneuf was in play, until I saw this blog. So that makes it twice in two days that I heard Phaneuf is on the move. CHFM suggests that:

Dion Phaneuf will be moved to the Tampa Bay Lightning along with the 21st overall for Slater Koekkoek, Nate Thompson and the 3rd overall pick.

Personally I think it's all a farse.... However, these guys have broken the Versteeg deal when traded to Toronto as well as the Cammalleri trade back to Calgary that i know of.

don't shoot the messenger
- steve362

Woah. That would be crazy if that happened. With the 3rd pick we could select Droin or Jones, depending on who's left. But I feel TO would need to give up more in that deal.

What do you guys think the other moves Nonis was hinting at?

Personally, I think he tries to acquire Volchenkov and the rights to Clarkson. Then looks at solidifying a true 3rd line. Minnesota's Cal Clutterbuck, and a stud on defense in Falk.

Only thing that scares me about Bernier besides his lack of experience is how reducing the size of goalie pads will affect him. He's not the biggest goalie in the league in terms of size, smaller pads could really hurt him.

Hope I'm wrong though.

I like Reimer for his ability to make the huge highlight reel saves but I also like Bernier's steadiness and rebound control.

2 completely different goalies in my opinion. Should be interesting.

What do you guys think the other moves Nonis was hinting at?

Personally, I think he tries to acquire Volchenkov and the rights to Clarkson. Then looks at solidifying a true 3rd line. Minnesota's Cal Clutterbuck, and a stud on defense in Falk.
- Viktory

Clutterbuck on the leafs would be fun......

Only thing that scares me about Bernier besides his lack of experience is how reducing the size of goalie pads will affect him. He's not the biggest goalie in the league in terms of size, smaller pads could really hurt him.

Hope I'm wrong though.

I like Reimer for his ability to make the huge highlight reel saves but I also like Bernier's steadiness and rebound control.

2 completely different goalies in my opinion. Should be interesting.
- Sheppy99

It didn't really hurt Nabakov in his glory days, and if Bernier can surpass him talent wise I don't see it being an issue.

It will definitely be an interesting year.

It didn't really hurt Nabakov in his glory days, and if Bernier can surpass him talent wise I don't see it being an issue.

It will definitely be an interesting year.
- Viktory

True.

The more I think about it, the more I like having Bernier and can see why Nonis doesn't envision Reimer being the future.

if you look around the league, the best goalies make the position look easy and are very tidy around the net. Rask, Price (when he's on his game) come to mind. Lunquist etc.

They are very efficient with their movements and make saves look effortless. As much as I love Reimer and respect his numbers, I don't ever get that feeling watching him play. Every shot seems like an adventure and that can definitely put extra stress on the defense.

From the games I've seen Bernier play, he seems to have the potential to develop into one of those type of goalies that make the position look easy.

Clutterbuck on the leafs would be fun......
- Sheppy99

From someone who is a fan of a northwest division team I Can easily say that POS is a complete jackass but yes, I would want him on my team.

From someone who is a fan of a northwest division team I Can easily say that POS is a complete jackass but yes, I would want him on my team.
- vancity787

Darcy Tucker reincarnation

True.

The more I think about it, the more I like having Bernier and can see why Nonis doesn't envision Reimer being the future.

if you look around the league, the best goalies make the position look easy and are very tidy around the net. Rask, Price (when he's on his game) come to mind. Lunquist etc.

They are very efficient with their movements and make saves look effortless. As much as I love Reimer and respect his numbers, I don't ever get that feeling watching him play. Every shot seems like an adventure and that can definitely put extra stress on the defense.

From the games I've seen Bernier play, he seems to have the potential to develop into one of those type of goalies that make the position look easy.
- Sheppy99

I totally agree. For Reimer to succeed at the Elite Level, he has to become a Goaltender like Pekka Rinne, Ryan Miller or Craig Anderson. Highly athletic and never give up on the puck and develop at least a remote sense of puck control. This is exactly why Pavelic, Dubnyk and Varmalov struggle with consistency; young highly athletic movers who need to work the positioning aspects of their game along with rebound control for the most part.

What Reimer has going for him is that he is fairly solid positionally. But he makes the rebounds way to erratic. Consistently putting the puck into the corner, at least away from the slot, should help.

Honestly, Glove Hand isn't all that important, but I feel that is the easiest thing to fix with enough practice. Muscle memory is far easier to gain than mental awareness and gauging where you will put the puck on rebounds or knowing where to place the puck when catching with the puck to prevent rebounds. That's where I think having Bernier, who is opposite to Reimer, will be good for both of them.

Reimer will beat out Bernier for the number 1 job and Bernier will be an unhappy backup once again. The overvaluing of Bernier mixed with the undervaluing of Reimer makes me laugh.

Reimer will beat out Bernier for the number 1 job and Bernier will be an unhappy backup once again. The overvaluing of Bernier mixed with the undervaluing of Reimer makes me laugh.
- aminnes

I really don't see there being a clear picture here.

Bobrovsky just won the Vezina. And was traded for what was essentially pieces. Bryz got the nod over Bob, and he was traded to a marginal team that he carried.

Raycroft won the Calder and was the next thing in Goaltending, traded for Rask whose playing in the Stanley Cup Finals.

You really don't know what you have until hindsight is twenty twenty.

As such, though. Reimer on GP is the better Goaltender. In terms of scouting? Bernier is a clear choice.

We have two totally different Goaltenders that could be our long term #1. What's really the problem here?

What's the deal on frattin?
- Deadmau55

Reminds me alot of JustinWilliams tbh. Obviously not near his output yet, but it could be on the way.

Reimer will beat out Bernier for the number 1 job and Bernier will be an unhappy backup once again. The overvaluing of Bernier mixed with the undervaluing of Reimer makes me laugh.
- aminnes

No, they will both play, and they will both succeed. They are teammates, neither are superstars, but both are capable, they will help eachother become great.

Reminds me alot of JustinWilliams tbh. Obviously not near his output yet, but it could be on the way.
- Rysko81

Thats part of it although what was given up wasn't drastic or anything, but the goaltending wasn't a problem. Frattin should be a good player.

Reimer will beat out Bernier for the number 1 job and Bernier will be an unhappy backup once again. The overvaluing of Bernier mixed with the undervaluing of Reimer makes me laugh.
- aminnes

not to mention the fact that Reimer has superior numbers with a larger sample size and on a way worse defensive team but I digress.

I like both goalies a lot so I'm not sure which side of the fence I'm on yet. It'll probably take an 82 game schedule to hash that out

I really don't see there being a clear picture here.

Bobrovsky just won the Vezina. And was traded for what was essentially pieces. Bryz got the nod over Bob, and he was traded to a marginal team that he carried.

Raycroft won the Calder and was the next thing in Goaltending, traded for Rask whose playing in the Stanley Cup Finals.

You really don't know what you have until hindsight is twenty twenty.

As such, though. Reimer on GP is the better Goaltender. In terms of scouting? Bernier is a clear choice.

We have two totally different Goaltenders that could be our long term #1. What's really the problem here?
- Viktory

Totally agree

Reimer doesn't seem like the type of guy to create distractions in the locker room and I really think the two could learn from each others strengths. Bernier could learn from Reimers sheer athleticism and Reimer could learn from Bernier's solid positioning and rebound control

not to mention the fact that Reimer has superior numbers with a larger sample size and on a way worse defensive team but I digress.

I like both goalies a lot so I'm not sure which side of the fence I'm on yet. It'll probably take an 82 game schedule to hash that out
- Sheppy99

Bernier is a good goalie but to say he's going to eclipse Reimer I think might be a little premature. It's entirely possible this trade ends up being pointless.

Thats part of it although what was given up wasn't drastic or anything, but the goaltending wasn't a problem. Frattin should be a good player.
- aminnes

I really get the impression that management does not believe in Reimer whatsoever. It almost felt like at the beginning of the year they were trying their best to make Scrivens the #1. The guy just seems like the Rodney Dangerfield of Toronto.

And Toronto has always been that way. If you aren't a highly touted prospect, you get no respect in Toronto regardless of how well or bad you played. Yet if you are a highly touted prospect and were drafted early, the leafs will give you chance after chance until they give up on you.

it's really strange. I get that Reimer isn't an elite goalie but his numbers were pretty damn good on a pretty weak defensive team. If he can raise his consistency to another level and improve his rebound control, no reason why he can't be the guy.

Other thing too is everybody wants to poop on Reimer for game 7 when it is highly debatable that the ending to that game had anything to do with him. That was an epic collapse by all.

Everyone seems to forget the previous two games he pretty much stole for Toronto to get to a game 7. I'm pretty sure he was #1 star in game 5 and 6 if I'm not mistaken when the series was pretty much over at that point.

Stealing games in the playoffs is a huge deal and Reimer did that. Another check mark for Reims.

Bernier is a good goalie but to say he's going to eclipse Reimer I think might be a little premature. It's entirely possible this trade ends up being pointless.
- aminnes

Bernier's been a champion at every level of hockey he's ever played at. He's more talented than Reimer, and with an opportunity, I don't think he has a problem taking the job.

Either way, team is lucky to have both. Unless you handle it like mike gillis, having two quality goaltenders isn't a bad thing.