we needed a goalie

reimer lost the job when he couldnt hold the fort in the last ten minutes of game 7

and thats the cold hard truth
- Dozzer

hahaah why does the last tne minutes have to be anyone fault.. why can;t it be kodos to the bruins for stepping up their game.

there is no point in talking to you if you are going to be so damn stubborn

bernier is an upgrade in goal.. stop being upset about losing a 3rd liner

frattin was nothing special... easier to find a guy like him then it is to find a potential franchise goalie

if you dont take a gamble now and again you go nowhere

this was a good gamble
- Dozzer

We took a gamble in the Pogge, Rask, Raycroft debacle, too. That move probably did more to burn us for a decade than any other.

I dearly hope the plan is not to trade Reimer and jump in head first on Bernier with no safety net. They really need to give it a year or two before deciding to go all in with one or the other.

Colborne replaces Frattin, if not a july 5th signee.
- aries1976

colborne or ashton or d'amigo or any number of leaf prospects

hahaah why does the last tne minutes have to be anyone fault.. why can;t it be kodos to the bruins for stepping up their game.
- derm10

because thats what the leafs should of expected.. and a true number one bails his team out..

reimer folded.. period.. he lost the number one that game.

yes this.. here is the summary from last year

back up in LA >>>> starter in Toronto
- Dozzer

Granted Leafs D is nowhere near Kings D.... but from watching Bernier last season (gotta love center ice, and living on the West Coast).. Bernier has good puck control, and could be a premium pick up..

kings really had no choice to trade him, or be stuck with just a 2nd rd pick for him..
Leafs did well here.

We took a gamble in the Pogge, Rask, Raycroft debacle, too. That move probably did more to burn us for a decade than any other.

I dearly hope the plan is not to trade Reimer and jump in head first on Bernier with no safety net. They really need to give it a year or two before deciding to go all in with one or the other.
- Leeman4Gilmour

so former management makes one bad decision so you think the current management should play it safe?

yeah.. sorry. no. not in my mind

it should be noted that raycroft still has the all time record for wins in a season, which he did in a leafs jersey

because thats what the leafs should of expected.. and a true number one bails his team out..

reimer folded.. period.. he lost the number one that game.
- Dozzer

good thing ur not coach or gm.... no the bruin put the peddle down once the ref put away his whistle the rammed every in site and rammed the puck down riemer throat.. there was little riemer could do to change that... if u expected riemer to save that game for the leaf u prolly thought they were gunna win the cup too.

he gave up a 3 goal lead in ten minutes

he folded like a cheap lawn chair

not saying there werent others to blame.. but thats what you need your goalie to be.. the last line of defense... and he has to own that.. if he doesnt.. the team will never succeed
- Dozzer

Why not bring up games 5 and 6 where he held the fort, getting us to game 7 in the first place?

If we are going to be so short-sighted to only cherry pick 10 minute segments from a player's career, then not much will ever change in Leafland, I'm afraid.

We've always been suckers for the new, shiny toy. And we want it now!

Granted Leafs D is nowhere near Kings D.... but from watching Bernier last season (gotta love center ice, and living on the West Coast).. Bernier has good puck control, and could be a premium pick up..

kings really had no choice to trade him, or be stuck with just a 2nd rd pick for him..
Leafs did well here.
- aries1976

I'm shocked that the Devils couldn't beat the Leafs offer...

Granted Leafs D is nowhere near Kings D.... but from watching Bernier last season (gotta love center ice, and living on the West Coast).. Bernier has good puck control, and could be a premium pick up..

kings really had no choice to trade him, or be stuck with just a 2nd rd pick for him..
Leafs did well here.
- aries1976

he's an upgrade on reimer.. simple as that

and all it took was a second, a fringe nhler back up, and a third liner

the potential upside to the deal far outweighs what was given up

so former management makes one bad decision so you think the current management should play it safe?

yeah.. sorry. no. not in my mind

it should be noted that raycroft still has the all time record for wins in a season, which he did in a leafs jersey
- Dozzer

No, it shouldn't be noted.

He played a bunch of games the season after the tie was eliminated.

colborne or ashton or d'amigo or any number of leaf prospects
- Dozzer

for whatever reason don't have much love for D'Amigo or Ashton.

Think Colborne showed a lot in the 2 playoff games he played,
look forward to see him develop as a leaf next season.

Don't think the leafs move Reimer, but should be interesting to see what else Nonis will do... he seems to we willing to move and shake move here, then when he was with the Nucks organization.

he's an upgrade on reimer.. simple as that

and all it took was a second, a fringe nhler back up, and a third liner

the potential upside to the deal far outweighs what was given up
- Dozzer

am I missing the body work that proves he's an improvement to Reimer other than he was a high draft pick in 06?

Why not bring up games 5 and 6 where he held the fort, getting us to game 7 in the first place?

If we are going to be so short-sighted to only cherry pick 10 minute segments from a player's career, then not much will ever change in Leafland, I'm afraid.

We've always been suckers for the new, shiny toy. And we want it now!
- Leeman4Gilmour

oh, i dont flak him at all for what he did.. he had great games as well..

but a true starter cannot afford to have a lapse in the last ten minutes of game 7.

he folded. plain and simple.. and the guys who succeed are not the ones who fold at the most important times

i am a reimer fan.. but bernier is better.

am I missing the body work that proves he's an improvement to Reimer other than he was a high draft pick in 06?
- Sheppy99

numbers?

am I missing the body work that proves he's an improvement to Reimer other than he was a high draft pick in 06?
- Sheppy99

has a glove hand.. far better rebound control.. everything.. go watch some highlights.. you will see it.. trust me.

I'm shocked that the Devils couldn't beat the Leafs offer...
- Flyfreaky

#21 and next years 1st pick for #9, Devils select Fucale. That was Lou's plan all along....

oh, i dont flak him at all for what he did.. he had great games as well..

but a true starter cannot afford to have a lapse in the last ten minutes of game 7.

he folded. plain and simple.. and the guys who succeed are not the ones who fold at the most important times

i am a reimer fan.. but bernier is better.
- Dozzer

biener has never played in a game seven.... so how do u know he is better.....and i'm not buying this folded junk.. the bruins took it.. the leafs didn;t give it away.

We took a gamble in the Pogge, Rask, Raycroft debacle, too. That move probably did more to burn us for a decade than any other.

I dearly hope the plan is not to trade Reimer and jump in head first on Bernier with no safety net. They really need to give it a year or two before deciding to go all in with one or the other.
- Leeman4Gilmour

Pogge we already had who failed miserably. Second we traded rask because leafs management at the time were morons and disliked rask because of his ethnicity and went with a canadian in pogge, while rask was a 1st rounder and pogge was drafted much later. Logic at its finest eh? Raycroft i have no clue how he did in boston so i would not know if his stats or gameplay with boston was a factor for us trading a 1st rounder goalie prospect.

No, it shouldn't be noted.

He played a bunch of games the season after the tie was eliminated.
- Leeman4Gilmour

the record is still his.

plain and simple.. so.. if what you are saying is true.. it should of easily been broken by now no?

#21 and next years 1st pick for #9, Devils select Fucale. That was Lou's plan all along....
- BetterCallSaul

LL's going senile...

biener has never played in a game seven.... so how do u know he is better.....and i'm not buying this folded from.. the bruins took it.. the leafs didn;t give it away.
- derm10

the leafs (frank)ing blew it.. stop handing me this crap..

and no, we dont know about bernier.. its called a projection.. talent analysis..and bernier is better than reimer.. period.

he's an upgrade on reimer.. simple as that

and all it took was a second, a fringe nhler back up, and a third liner

the potential upside to the deal far outweighs what was given up
- Dozzer

he may be an upgrade on Reimer, it depends on which Reimer shows up next September.... the one that looked good in the playoffs, or the one that played like he did after the concussion he suffered when Gionta hit him.

If Reimer can learn to control rebounds better, he can be an elite goalie, other part of his game are good enough... Bernier just gives us something we can rely upon, if Reimer doesn't improve the questionable parts of his game.. it's a strong safety net.

numbers?
- derm10

I think he's asking for those, yes.

And they don't show a real difference. Reimer has nearly twice as many games played and very similar numbers.

Everyone knows Bernier was a first rounder 7 years ago. Aside from that, why is he the answer in goal?

he gave up a 3 goal lead in ten minutes

he folded like a cheap lawn chair

not saying there werent others to blame.. but thats what you need your goalie to be.. the last line of defense... and he has to own that.. if he doesnt.. the team will never succeed
- Dozzer

The only thing I take into consideration there is that it doesnt matter which goalie you have in net those last 10 minutes, we lose that game.
In my opnion there is no goalie in the sport to bail us out of that breakdown.