Are you serious?
- BetterCallSaul

Absolutely!

Then why isn't he a starter?
- honesthockey

This is beneath your intellect. The kings had two promising goalies who could both start on many teams in the league. They went with quick and moved an asset. Simple as that

maybe because he's behind the reigning Conn Symthe trophy winner who is undoubtedly top-3 in the league?
- Phil_kessel81

So Quick is the real deal. Bernier? Not so much.

Then why isn't he a starter?
- honesthockey

you should just ban yourself.

This is beneath your intellect. The kings had two promising goalies who could both start on many teams in the league. They went with quick and moved an asset. Simple as that
- Dozzer

So in typical Leaf fashion we are ok with being second.

Matt Frattin was mid round pick that panned out as a bottom 6 power forward. Ben Scrivens was a undrafted free agent signing that turned out to be a cheap, decent back up goaltender and a 2nd round pick that isn't even from next weekend's draft.

Bernier was an 11th overall pick that got stuck behind one of the best goalies in the world. When a goalie gets drafted in the 1st round, they're the real deal.

How is that steep?

Reimer is a good goalie too but is he the guy that's going to win you a cup? Or is he a really solid backup that can step in with confidence in any situation?
- t_leafs21

Neither, but moreso A than B, IMO.
He is way better than a backup and he proved that.

So in typical Leaf fashion we are ok with being second.
- honesthockey

You didn't give up much of anything to get him...

You didn't give up much of anything to get him...
- Flyfreaky

Point is you don't trade assets for something you don't really need. This is just my opinion so not sure why all the dumb asses get all rattled when I don't conform.

Great trade and we didn't give up much.

Neither, but moreso A than B, IMO.
He is way better than a backup and he proved that.
- UsernameUnknown

Yeah, it shouldn't be forgotten that Reimer posted a better save percentage on an inferior team playing way more games than Bernier.

I heard that the Leafs also sent half a million in cap space to LA. Can anybody confirm this?

Point is you don't trade assets for something you don't really need. This is just my opinion so not sure why all the dumb asses get all rattled when I don't conform.
- honesthockey

Whats your definition of a dumb ass?

This is beneath your intellect. The kings had two promising goalies who could both start on many teams in the league. They went with quick and moved an asset. Simple as that
- Dozzer

A few years back, Bernier was suppose to be the starter, just happens Quick was given the first crack at the job, and ran with it.... stuff like that happens.... look at the Niemi/Crawford situation in Chicago... if the hawks weren't tight to the cap that year, Crawford would of been backing up Huet, and not Niemi.... but because Niemi made less money at the NHL level, he fit under the cap better, so he was the backup, and it worked out great for the Hawks, they won the cup.

I like the deal for the leafs, Bernier is a stallar goalie, and pushing Reimer can only make both goalies better going forward.. we won't miss Scrivans or Frattin, so this can only be good for the Leafs franchise.

Point is you don't trade assets for something you don't really need. This is just my opinion so not sure why all the dumb asses get all rattled when I don't conform.
- honesthockey

I agree you don't really need him, but Nonis has other trades and signings to make that will bring this trade into fruition...My guess is Reimer's on his way out to score a center/dman...

Point is you don't trade assets for something you don't really need. This is just my opinion so not sure why all the dumb asses get all rattled when I don't conform.
- honesthockey

Implying the assets that were expendable are going to be the saviours for the leafs... easy there. Kulemin is better than those two and he is expendable. Gunner is better than those 2 guys and has more value, yet he is expendable. See what i did there? We have guys who are expendable who can be replaced that bring some contribution to the team but will not be that WOW factor to push us so far.

So we took a gamble on bernier. We have 2 goalies now full of potential and could be the best tandem for a cheap cost for years to come down the road. Relax and enjoy the ride.

So in typical Leaf fashion we are ok with being second.
- honesthockey

there is no point in talking to you if you are going to be so damn stubborn

bernier is an upgrade in goal.. stop being upset about losing a 3rd liner

frattin was nothing special... easier to find a guy like him then it is to find a potential franchise goalie

if you dont take a gamble now and again you go nowhere

this was a good gamble

Whats your definition of a dumb ass?
- UsernameUnknown

Get all wound up because someone has a different OPINION then yours makes you a dumbass.

Point is you don't trade assets for something you don't really need. This is just my opinion so not sure why all the dumb asses get all rattled when I don't conform.
- honesthockey

we needed a goalie

reimer lost the job when he couldnt hold the fort in the last ten minutes of game 7

and thats the cold hard truth

there is no point in talking to you if you are going to be so damn stubborn

bernier is an upgrade in goal.. stop being upset about losing a 3rd liner

frattin was nothing special... easier to find a guy like him then it is to find a potential franchise goalie

if you dont take a gamble now and again you go nowhere

this was a good gamble
- Dozzer

Not upset at all. Just think it wasn't a good move. Those assets could have been used as an upgrade in a needed position.

So in typical Leaf fashion we are ok with being second.
- honesthockey

You acquire potential. It's a pretty safe bet one of Reimer or Bernier will be an unquestioned NHL starter and if they both are then you have an asset to address another area of need. If Reimer falters and Bernier succeeds then Nonis looks pretty good. If Bernier Falters and Reimer succeeds then Nonis didn't give up anything irreplaceable for the shot at a star goaltender.

I'm in the minority right now. But I like the Bernier deal, and the posters who are torching nonis and what not will be eating crow this time next year. this kid can play
- Lee Denault

Agreed....Good deal..Leafs gave up a 3rd line winger and a backup goaltender...

we needed a goalie

reimer lost the job when he couldnt hold the fort in the last ten minutes of game 7

and thats the cold hard truth
- Dozzer

Reimer was at fault. Sorry man. Don't buy that. Got steamrolled by Lucic.

A few years back, Bernier was suppose to be the starter, just happens Quick was given the first crack at the job, and ran with it.... stuff like that happens.... look at the Niemi/Crawford situation in Chicago... if the hawks weren't tight to the cap that year, Crawford would of been backing up Huet, and not Niemi.... but because Niemi made less money at the NHL level, he fit under the cap better, so he was the backup, and it worked out great for the Hawks, they won the cup.

I like the deal for the leafs, Bernier is a stallar goalie, and pushing Reimer can only make both goalies better going forward.. we won't miss Scrivans or Frattin, so this can only be good for the Leafs franchise.
- aries1976

yes this.. here is the summary from last year

back up in LA >>>> starter in Toronto

Implying the assets that were expendable are going to be the saviours for the leafs... easy there. Kulemin is better than those two and he is expendable. Gunner is better than those 2 guys and has more value, yet he is expendable. See what i did there? We have guys who are expendable who can be replaced that bring some contribution to the team but will not be that WOW factor to push us so far.

So we took a gamble on bernier. We have 2 goalies now full of potential and could be the best tandem for a cheap cost for years to come down the road. Relax and enjoy the ride.
- Mapleleafs_91

Colborne replaces Frattin, if not a july 5th signee.

Not upset at all. Just think it wasn't a good move. Those assets could have been used as an upgrade in a needed position.
- honesthockey

Its okay you do not have to worry my good sir. Liles is being packaged for stastny, frattin or scrivens were not going to be included anyways!

Reimer was at fault. Sorry man. Don't buy that. Got steamrolled by Lucic.
- honesthockey

he gave up a 3 goal lead in ten minutes

he folded like a cheap lawn chair

not saying there werent others to blame.. but thats what you need your goalie to be.. the last line of defense... and he has to own that.. if he doesnt.. the team will never succeed