Well that's a dumb question. It changes from era to era. Nobody has that exact number.
- 50 Mission Cap

right now then.. how many "great " d are in the league?

only the leafs wait 9 years to find a goalie and then we trade our back up and start a contraversy. it never ends in t.o

ahahah whatever u say.....
- derm10

not really what I say. History supports cup winners having great defense better than my words. But ok, you can go with what I'm saying too I guess.

not really what I say. History supports cup winners having great defense better than my words. But ok, you can go with what I'm saying too I guess.
- Sheppy99

if u are saying cup winner has up to 3 great dman and then say dion isn;t good enough is laughable.

Can anyone say Toskala 2.0? Nonis is an idiot. Luongo would have given him six solid years (including this one where he might have helped them beat Boston) as a legit no.1 and then mentored whoever was coming up in the process to take over.instead he takes a flyer on someone unproven and paid more for the privilege.bernier and nonis won't be there in five years.Luongo will outlast both of them wherever he goes next.

To EDM
Phaneuf
Gardiner
21st overall pick

To TOR
gagner
eberle Your not getting eberle for Gardner and a 21st pick. You sir are sniffing glue


- Phil_kessel81

Think Frattin was a problem?

Can anyone say Toskala 2.0? Nonis is an idiot. Luongo would have given him six solid years (including this one where he might have helped them beat Boston) as a legit no.1 and then mentored whoever was coming up in the process to take over.instead he takes a flyer on someone unproven and paid more for the privilege.bernier and nonis won't be there in five years.Luongo will outlast both of them wherever he goes next.
- kaptaan

who are u trying to convince us or yourself?

if u are saying cup winner has up to 3 great dman and then say dion isn;t good enough is laughable.
- derm10

Dion is on the same level of Drew Doughty, Keith, Seabrook, or Chara? And our supporting cast is as good as those teams as well?

Yea I agree, thinking contradictory to that is laughable

right now then.. how many "great " d are in the league?
- derm10

Are you getting ready to write an essay of my hockey smarts? Good on you for trying to learn. Haaaa

All kidding aside I'd have to look at some rosters and think before I know today how many great or really good d men are. Out there. Why not just make your point instead of going round and round?

Dion is on the same level of Drew Doughty, Keith, Seabrook, or Chara? And our supporting cast is as good as those teams as well?

Yea I agree, thinking contradictory to that is laughable
- Sheppy99

Dion is NOT in that group.

Dion is on the same level of Drew Doughty, Keith, Seabrook, or Chara? And our supporting cast is as good as those teams as well?

Yea I agree, thinking contradictory to that is laughable
- Sheppy99

i don;t think our supporting cast is as good as those teams.. but i would say dion isnt that far off from a drew doughty.... i'm not guuna say he's as good as chara... and don;t see enough of the hawks to comment.

Can anyone say Toskala 2.0? Nonis is an idiot. Luongo would have given him six solid years (including this one where he might have helped them beat Boston) as a legit no.1 and then mentored whoever was coming up in the process to take over.instead he takes a flyer on someone unproven and paid more for the privilege.bernier and nonis won't be there in five years.Luongo will outlast both of them wherever he goes next.
- kaptaan

Haha, bitterness at it's best. Reimer could be our starter in 2 years, or Bernier could be our starter in 2 years. And if both play like #1 goaltenders then Nonis will have an excellent bargaining chip in one of them that he could turn into a needed asset. All he has to do is look at how Gillis handled having 2 starters and try to not handle it that way.

Think Frattin was a problem?
- honesthockey

Never heard anything saying he was. Have you read anything?

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- lumlums

It also keeps the neighbours from bugging me.

Can anyone say Toskala 2.0? Nonis is an idiot. Luongo would have given him six solid years (including this one where he might have helped them beat Boston) as a legit no.1 and then mentored whoever was coming up in the process to take over.instead he takes a flyer on someone unproven and paid more for the privilege.bernier and nonis won't be there in five years.Luongo will outlast both of them wherever he goes next.
- kaptaan

Found Gillis hockeybuzz account. You're very upset Mike.

Think Frattin was a problem?
- honesthockey

No, this feels like a hockey trade only to me

Are you getting ready to write an essay of my hockey smarts? Good on you for trying to learn. Haaaa

All kidding aside I'd have to look at some rosters and think before I know today how many great or really good d men are. Out there. Why not just make your point instead of going round and round?
- 50 Mission Cap

plain and simple dion isn;t part of the problem.. he's part of the solution.. weather he is here when the leafs take the take there next steps or not..... he makes the team better and has value weather he is traded or not.

Holdin off on that.. Gotta stay half assed sober for tonight lol

Edit: gf just handed me a joint so scratch that lol
- Dozzer

Pass it around man. Do people use the word "man" anymore? Hey man? How's it going man? I know we used it alot in the 80's. WOW that's some good weed man!!

No, this feels like a hockey trade only to me
- Dozzer

Yep, we gave up fair value for a back-up with massive potential but limited experience. L.A. acquired some nice pieces, but nothing we can't replace.

plain and simple dion isn;t part of the problem.. he's part of the solution.. weather he is here when the leafs take the take there next steps or not..... he makes the team better and has value weather he is traded or not.
- derm10

You clearly didn't read what I wrote. You just want to blindly defend dion. I like dion a lot, but the leafs ask him to do more than he should. Not his fault.

Leafs fans and their blind loyalty drive me crazy. How about a little honest perspective.

Well I believe the 2nd rounder was too much. But we improved in goal, but we lost some 3rd line grit.

Pass it around man. Do people use the word "man" anymore? Hey man? How's it going man? I know we used it alot in the 80's. WOW that's some good weed man!!
- GCHonda

I know man, I get what you're saying man

I think man will stick around forever.. I used in through the 90s and still to this day lol

1) Finally

2) No Reimers days are not numbered because you don't know how the hell bernier will perform or take the load now

3) Instead of the leafs paying one goaltender over 5.5-6M+, they can divide the salary and playing time sharing the duties in net between reimer and bernier. Smart thing to do would be signing both for about 3-5 year deal or so. Very good tandem if you ask me, and i like this way so we have assurance and we can replicate a st. louis scenario.

4) The deal was "okay" but if we did this sooner, our 2nd rounder would NOT have had to been given up

Yep, we gave up fair value for a back-up with massive potential but limited experience. L.A. acquired some nice pieces, but nothing we can't replace.
- BetterCallSaul

Yup, a reasonable deal imo