but I was agreeing with you
- JoeRussomanno

im sorry bud


come here

For me, all I said was that the Flyers didn't miss Matt Carle at 5v5 even strength defensively -- because, well, he just didn't play those brutal minutes particularly well.

I certainly gave him the credit that he was due, for the player that he is. But swapping his Top 4 role defensively will benefit the Flyers now that they have someone who can provide the offense that he did.

It's really a two-for-one -- and that's not saying that Mark Streit is better than Matt Carle, or vice versa. It's that having Schenn allows Streit to be deployed in far more favorable situations.
- AllInForFlyers

Even Strength play is far more then just the defensive side of things. It's puck control, puck movement and offensive production. Especially for a team like the Flyers who are more of a puck pursuit offensive team then they are a defensive first team. They greatly missed Carle at ES. And the truth is that you need a mix of defenseman in today's game.

im sorry bud


come here
- Crimsoninja

Any other kegtimate buyout candates in goal we could target. Lu and who else? Miller maybe?

Ever think mebbe your opinion is just... wrong? Not saying it is or isn't but usually when an opine is vehemently defended its really either spot on or way off.
- JoeRussomanno

Ohh hell it possibly could be.

I think Carle is soft, as do many others.

We also saw Jody Shelley and Nodl defended on here to no end, along with John Stevens. Sometimes, its a real strong impression that anything to do with "Flyers", is saintly.

Carle to me is soft. I made that post. Like clockwork, the defenses for him run out. Its like "debate buzz". With certain posters targeted over and over again.

By all means, lets talk cap!

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- JoeRussomanno

ok that's enough

There have been rumors on different websites that the Hawks may look to buy-out Hossa after this season.

I'd have more interest there, if compared to say trading for Ryan.

I'll play then a little. Its all subjective in the end anyway, and Im cool if you dont find him soft. I wont try to change your views. Its all subjective in the end really.

To me, Carle was soft because of a lack of initiating physicality. Inability to clear the net. Losing too many battles in the trenches.
- flyer_nutter

Carle's strength was not battling in the trenches and in front of the net. But for a smaller player, he used body position, and a quick stick to compete in those situations. He's not going to out muscle anybody in front of the net. But that's just because he played against physically bigger and stronger opponents. That's not being soft.

I think it was pretty evident this season how much the Flyers missed matt carle. Inability to make a pass out of the zone, unable to move the puck in any zone or even cycle it at the point on the pp, and almost zero ability to backpeddle on the counterattack. Granted some exaggeration and some poor positioning plays in but the defense lacked mobility. Carle has that aspect, minus the bonecrushing checks and overpowering Weberesque shot.

To me, Carle was soft because of a lack of initiating physicality. Inability to clear the net. Losing too many battles in the trenches.
- flyer_nutter

I've not called him soft, but this is an accurate depiction of Matt Carle in the defensive zone against Top 6 forwards -- he struggles against bigger, more skilled players. You can't play him 22-plus minutes a night in those hard minutes -- the Flyers didn't do it.

His final season in San Jose, Matt Carle started SIXTY PERCENT of his shifts in the offensive zone. WOW.

He's improved since then, but at the same time, there's a reason for that kind of statistic. He's a good player, and there are things you can do with Matt Carle.

But one thing you can't is put him in a situation where he's counted on to stop very good players from scoring. That's not what he does.

For me, all I said was that the Flyers didn't miss Matt Carle at 5v5 even strength defensively -- because, well, he just didn't play those brutal minutes particularly well.

I certainly gave him the credit that he was due, for the player that he is. But swapping his Top 4 role defensively will benefit the Flyers now that they have someone who can provide the offense that he did.

It's really a two-for-one -- and that's not saying that Mark Streit is better than Matt Carle, or vice versa. It's that having Schenn allows Streit to be deployed in far more favorable situations.
- AllInForFlyers

I'm not saying you can't be of that opinion. I just dislike the complaining that 'I can't believe those guys keep feeling that way about that player'. I don't recall the Hockeybuzz Official Code of Conduct including any clause demanding consensus.

And for what it's worth, I agree with your suggestion the Flyers can tailor Streit's minutes to keep him out of tougher match ups. That's part of why I would prefer to keep Coburn.

I hope with Bernier going to Toronto that Read can stay a Flyer, even if just for this season.

Happy they didn't trade Read today.

That's not a good way to describe a soft player. A soft player is a player who is intimidated, and shies away from physical contact. And bails out on plays. Comparing a player like Carle who is at best 6'0 and 200 lbs to players like Coburn, Grossmann, and Schenn, who are 6'3-6'5 and 220-240 lbs doesn't make much sense. Like MB said, I guess Lidstrom is soft also. Because he doesn't play with a mean streak and doesn't throw big checks and push people around either.
- MJL

Haha in your opinion.

(frank) this place has turned into such a joke. Used to be so light hearted, full of just random nonsense.

Honestly? I've asked you countless times to ignore my posts, essentially for the sake of the board.

Its like a little tree house club in here for a few. Answer me one question, whats this need you have to quote everything I post, and try to prove it wrong?

I hope with Bernier going to Toronto that Read can stay a Flyer, even if just for this season.

Happy they didn't trade Read today.
- Marc D

I like read but if they can use him to make the team better, I'm cool with that too. It's usually heartbreaking when one gets too attached to one player, I've learned over the years.

Actually I came in kind of shocked that Carle still stands to be a hot topic.

I made my own post on that. Which was, as always, replied to with a stern defense of Carle.
- flyer_nutter

There's no rule against disagreeing, yo. This isn't a court of law, it's an internet court of hockey. Appeals can happen anytime.

I've not called him soft, but this is an accurate depiction of Matt Carle in the defensive zone against Top 6 forwards -- he struggles against bigger, more skilled players. You can't play him 22-plus minutes a night in those hard minutes -- the Flyers didn't do it.

His final season in San Jose, Matt Carle started SIXTY PERCENT of his shifts in the offensive zone. WOW.

He's improved since then, but at the same time, there's a reason for that kind of statistic. He's a good player, and there are things you can do with Matt Carle.

But one thing you can't is put him in a situation where he's counted on to stop very good players from scoring. That's not what he does.
- AllInForFlyers

I agree that is how Carle should be used. That plays to his strengths. But Carle can play against top lines with the right partner. And he also saw significant time on the PK here. It's not his strong suit, but he is capable. And when you have defenseman such as Timonen, Grossmann, Schenn, and Coburn. You should favor those players in tough D zone starts over a player like Carle obviously. A lot of the game is played handling and passing the puck in today's game.

I'm not saying you can't be of that opinion. I just dislike the complaining that 'I can't believe those guys keep feeling that way about that player'. I don't recall the Hockeybuzz Official Code of Conduct including any clause demanding consensus.

And for what it's worth, I agree with your suggestion the Flyers can tailor Streit's minutes to keep him out of tougher match ups. That's part of why I would prefer to keep Coburn.
- BulliesPhan87

Its the fact that when certain posters come on here with a certain opinion that maybe differs from 3 or four guys, it has to be quoted and torn apart to just prove they are wrong.

It happens to certain posters here day after day. While those who have defended MJL in the past, just get a "thumbs up". Its like (frank)ing junior high.

Waste of time coming back here. For the sake of the board, I've asked mods, and MJL just to ignore my posts. Cant be done apparently.

Whatever. Lets talk cap. Or just trash anything that is a "new idea".

Its the fact that when certain posters come on here with a certain opinion that maybe differs from 3 or four guys, it has to be quoted and torn apart to just prove they are wrong.

It happens to certain posters here day after day. While those who have defended MJL in the past, just get a "thumbs up". Its like (frank)ing junior high.

Waste of time coming back here. For the sake of the board, I've asked mods, and MJL just to ignore my posts. Cant be done apparently.

Whatever. Lets talk cap. Or just trash anything that is a "new idea".
- flyer_nutter

You could just as easily ignore his posts, you know. You don't need a mod to approve it or anything, really!

Haha in your opinion.

(frank) this place has turned into such a joke. Used to be so light hearted, full of just random nonsense.

Honestly? I've asked you countless times to ignore my posts, essentially for the sake of the board.

Its like a little tree house club in here for a few. Answer me one question, whats this need you have to quote everything I post, and try to prove it wrong?
- flyer_nutter

There was a normal discussion on here, strictly about Hockey. Now it's something else. And it happened to be about Carle. Nobody is forced to participate.

There's no rule against disagreeing, yo. This isn't a court of law, it's an internet court of hockey. Appeals can happen anytime.
- BulliesPhan87

I dont give a rats ass if someone disagrees, but there are ways to do that without coming off as an arrogant ass.

Many of us do it. If asked a question here a 1000 times and have gotten no answer.

Every single time I come on here, to post I get quoted by MJL and my post is torn apart to try and be "proven wrong". I've stated many times for the sake of the board for him to just ignore my posts, but there are certain posters here that are targets day after day. Haha for what? Saying Carle is soft?

Its like a little club.

You could just as easily ignore his posts, you know. You don't need a mod to approve it or anything, really!
- BulliesPhan87

I do. This is the first day in a while I have said something back.

When I returned, I sent a PM and other messages on here that for the sake of the board, and my own experience for him to leave my posts alone.

Frankly, it ruins my experience to have any post on here by ripped apart by MJL. He targets certain posters day after day, and a select few that have defended him nothing happens.

I've been here for a few years, have had disagreements with a lot of guys on here over things. However its how people approach things.

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I do. This is the first day in a while I have said something back.

When I returned, I sent a PM and other messages on here that for the sake of the board, and my own experience for him to leave my posts alone.

Frankly, it ruins my experience to have any post on here by ripped apart by MJL. He targets certain posters day after day, and a select few that have defended him nothing happens.

I've been here for a few years, have had disagreements with a lot of guys on here over things. However its how people approach things.
- flyer_nutter

How are you going to say "I do ignore him" followed by "I didn't ignore him today"? I'm still not seeing what crime has been committed here, just ignore him. It ruins my hockeybuzz experience everytime somebody whines about this user or that user not agreeing. But you don't see me throwing a hissy fit like I am literally right now.

Any other kegtimate buyout candates in goal we could target. Lu and who else? Miller maybe?
- hereticpride

I wish there was a list of the strongest canadits to be bought out.

I do. This is the first day in a while I have said something back.

When I returned, I sent a PM and other messages on here that for the sake of the board, and my own experience for him to leave my posts alone.

Frankly, it ruins my experience to have any post on here by ripped apart by MJL. He targets certain posters day after day, and a select few that have defended him nothing happens.

I've been here for a few years, have had disagreements with a lot of guys on here over things. However its how people approach things.
- flyer_nutter

It's an open forum, if they want to respond they have the right to do so, you don't get to determine who gets to and who doesn't have the right to reply.