If he is serious about wanting to be the starter and Toronto's plans don't include that, he could be available again tomorrow.
- tangent_man

Yup, makes you wonder. Although it's safe to assume he'll get a lot more starts in a tandem with Reimer than he did with Quick.

I disagree. Schneider put up good numbers behind a good team. Bernier put up good numbers behind a good team. The Flyers are no where near as good defensively as the Kings or Canucks.

There's no need to overpay for an unproven goalie.
- Jsaquella

I can live with that answer. I'm just seriously concerned. These rumors of Coburn, the 11th for Ryan and Hiller are utterly unrealistic. The Ducks are going to ask for a kings ransom for Ryan alone, probably more then the initial offer from above. If they don't get it they won't move him. I'm scared of getting Yandle/Edler and having to add Couterier. I was cool with rolling with Streit and Bernier and going from there.

If Mason is terrible, can he be much worse than posting the 900 save % that Bryzgalov posted last year? At least if Mason provides similar numbers he's doing it at a fraction of the cap hit.
- PLindbergh31

Can't argue with that.

Read, a 2015 2nd, and Heeter/Stolarz? For Bernier? 24 year old goalie groomed right and who most think is a stud? Have a nice trip Matt. Jsaq, seriously? I got smashed when I suggested 3 years ago that the Flyers trade for Schneider. How's Schneider doing? I'd rather have Bernier then Matt Read and his soon to be 3.5-4MM contract. Flyers missed out. Missed out big time.
- Flyers1218

Completely agree

Per capgeek, Leafs also keep $500k of Frattin's contract.

Read, a 2015 2nd, and Heeter/Stolarz? For Bernier? 24 year old goalie groomed right and who most think is a stud? Have a nice trip Matt. Jsaq, seriously? I got smashed when I suggested 3 years ago that the Flyers trade for Schneider. How's Schneider doing? I'd rather have Bernier then Matt Read and his soon to be 3.5-4MM contract. Flyers missed out. Missed out big time.
- Flyers1218

yep. agree. LeBrun is fawning over Bernier on twitter.

Can't argue with that.
- wolfhounds

And help the transition game by moving the puck. Bryz is horrible at that part of the game.

Lots of crying over on tsn.ca about no hearing for Boychuk after the Toews hit. It didn't look that bad to me last night.

Still doesn't look suspension worthy...
- wolfhounds

It was nothing more than a big hit in the slot. Chara gave him two elbows on one play in the corner earlier in the game that were more serious.

The Leafs gave up more than I would have preferred to see the Flyers send over. Frattin's a useful player, and while the second-round pick isn't in this draft year, those always have value in trade scenarios. Scrivens has shown the ability to be a better-than-average backup, as well...the Leafs did pay quite a bit.

Like everyone else, I fully realize that it is too early to say anything about Steve Mason's career track. I certainly recognize that he struggled in Columbus.

But I will also say this: Even with the Flyers struggling like they did last year, they were still better than Columbus over the period of time they struggled, pre-Rick Nash trade. Derick Brassard didn't develop for them, didn't play well until he got to New York. Jakub Voracek's a better player in Philly than he was in Columbus.

Jeff Carter did next to nothing while he was in Columbus.

Personally, I'm one of those people who isn't afraid to run Steve Mason out there for 12-15 starts next season, see where you are. Either he looks good or doesn't, and you go from there.

There are just too many examples to list of guys who go from one place to another and get their careers on track; there's no reason to believe that it will or won't happen for Steve Mason.

Personally, I think the Flyers shouldn't be afraid to buy Ilya Bryzgalov out -- there will be goalies available, and cheaper.

DET, NJ are both committed to a certain style and type of plyr and while NJ has varied somewhat the devs are known as a tight checking team that is more the sum of their parts. the kovy deal was an anomaly to keep the window open.

DET is a puck possession team that builds mainly thru the draft and has a rigorous commitment to making sure prospects are trained in their style, w/o rushing them. BOS and LA are clearly developing the rep as D first, physical teams. SJ went out and brought in a DET coach to try and push a similar style to the wings.

there is not this roulette wheel virtually every off season w/ most of these orgs. SJ saw a chance to grab Thornton, but deals like that are rare and it's one of the reasons Chiarelli was brought into BOS.
- isaiah520

Non of this addresses a plan of the future. You're discussing a style of play on the ice here, and systems play. Not a plan of building a team.

Two teams that you named, Boston and LA. Let's look and see how Boston built it's current defense. They built through Free Agency and trades. Look at LA's Forward core from it's Championship team last Season. How many were actually drafted by LA?

I can live with that answer. I'm just seriously concerned. These rumors of Coburn, the 11th for Ryan and Hiller are utterly unrealistic. The Ducks are going to ask for a kings ransom for Ryan alone, probably more then the initial offer from above. If they don't get it they won't move him. I'm scared of getting Yandle/Edler and having to add Couterier. I was cool with rolling with Streit and Bernier and going from there.
- Flyers1218

They could trade for Jaroslav Halak, far more proven than Bernier & still fairly young. They could go in any one of 8 or 9 different routes.

I'm not against a stop gap, because who knows, maybe Mason rebounds and regains his earlier form. He's only 25, the same age as Bernier will be in a few months.

If Bernier was their only target, I have no doubt he'd be a Flyer now.

If they fix their transitional game, the offense will be adequate.
- Jsaquella

I think they have an adequate offense as is

The Leafs gave up more than I would have preferred to see the Flyers send over. Frattin's a useful player, and while the second-round pick isn't in this draft year, those always have value in trade scenarios. Scrivens has shown the ability to be a better-than-average backup, as well...the Leafs did pay quite a bit.

Like everyone else, I fully realize that it is too early to say anything about Steve Mason's career track. I certainly recognize that he struggled in Columbus.

But I will also say this: Even with the Flyers struggling like they did last year, they were still better than Columbus over the period of time they struggled, pre-Rick Nash trade. Derick Brassard didn't develop for them, didn't play well until he got to New York. Jakub Voracek's a better player in Philly than he was in Columbus.

Jeff Carter did next to nothing while he was in Columbus.

Personally, I'm one of those people who isn't afraid to run Steve Mason out there for 12-15 starts next season, see where you are. Either he looks good or doesn't, and you go from there.

There are just too many examples to list of guys who go from one place to another and get their careers on track; there's no reason to believe that it will or won't happen for Steve Mason.

Personally, I think the Flyers shouldn't be afraid to buy Ilya Bryzgalov out -- there will be goalies available, and cheaper.
- AllInForFlyers

Mason is going to need to start a lot more than that now if you buy out Bryz. I don't think the Emery and Backstroms of the world are starting 65 times

Darren Dreger ‏@DarrenDreger 1m
Some rumblings Phaneuf may be in play. Nonis says he will trade just about anyone, but says no one has called on the captain...yet.

Completely agree
- FlyerAdam30

I just think some over value (and under value) players that we have sometimes. Where can we get the production Matt Read provides at his current cost is what I see often. Well don't get used to it bc he isn't going to make 900k next year. Furthermore, With Talbot coming back and a resigning of Gagne we have plenty of capable penalty killers. So instead of trading Read for a question mark goalie who has been nothing but stellar everywhere he's been, we want to eat cap space to get a goalie with no hips, another who missed his teams entire playoffs by getting hurt in warmups, a guy who is the most unclutch goalie in the league, or stick with Mason who has been god awful for three years and Bryz who at times can't stop a beachball. Where was the risk? Matt Read? I don't know. Leafs got better today.

Haven't seen one person say the trade was bad or too much. Not a single person. Most people think that Bernier is the real deal. With all the risks this team takes and for all the complaining about grooming young players slowly, we have the chance to acquire one and we don't because of Matt Read. Impressive to say the least.
- Flyers1218

Do we know for a fact why the Flyers didn't acquire Bernier?

Do we know for a fact why the Flyers didn't acquire Bernier?
- MJL

Pierre LeBrun ‏@Real_ESPNLeBrun 59s
I believe that Philadelphia and another team were hard in the mix as well at the end along with Toronto. Flyers offering Matt Read...

Look its pretty simple. Bryz will never fit in with Lavi's system as long as he is the HC. He cant create like Mason can. Notice the final games at how much better the Flyers were. I dont expect Bryz to make it to next season. Ill put money on it. He is too big of a distraction and I cant see them even keeping him as a back up.

BY THE WAY.. on the Bernier #'s...

Bob McKenzie ‏@TSNBobMcKenzie 13m

TOR did take back money (cap hit applied against TOR) in Bernier deal, in the $500,000 range.

They do have a hole at wing. It's no secret this team needs a scoring winger to play alongside G.

It's not a glaring need a la the D corps, but it's still on the checklist.

Also, I wouldn't say this team has plenty of firepower. The Hawks have plenty of firepower. The Flyers are above average on O, in my opinion, but don't have "plenty of firepower"
- Giroux_Is_God

Voracek scored at a 38 goal pace this past Season. Hartnell scored 37 goals the Season before playing with Giroux. I think they have plenty of offensive players. Need to concentrate on building a better all around team game, and team defense. Then they'll score more goals

I just think some over value (and under value) players that we have sometimes. Where can we get the production Matt Read provides at his current cost is what I see often. Well don't get used to it bc he isn't going to make 900k next year. Furthermore, With Talbot coming back and a resigning of Gagne we have plenty of capable penalty killers. So instead of trading Read for a question mark goalie who has been nothing but stellar everywhere he's been, we want to eat cap space to get a goalie with no hips, another who missed his teams entire playoffs by getting hurt in warmups, a guy who is the most unclutch goalie in the league, or stick with Mason who has been god awful for three years and Bryz who at times can't stop a beachball. Where was the risk? Matt Read? I don't know. Leafs got better today.
- Flyers1218

Matt Read is a 20 goal scoring winger, with very good speed, good passer and good two way player. He can play all 3 forward spots at a high level, is a very good PP guy and an outstanding penalty killer.

Trading a guy that can do all that for a guy with 62 career games in goal is a risk.

When Steve Mason had 62 NHL games under his belt, the same people who are praising Jonathan Bernier were calling Mason a lock to be Canada's starter for the 2014 Olympics.

I like Bernier, too. But there's no way I trade Read, plus what basically is two 2nd rounders for him. Read alone...maybe.

Mason is going to need to start a lot more than that now if you buy out Bryz. I don't think the Emery and Backstroms of the world are starting 65 times
- FlyerAdam30

No, I meant the first 12-to-15 starts next season -- make him be the No. 1, see where you are after that stretch of games.

There will be other goalies available this offseason, or even early next season, if Mason falters. There will be.

I just think some over value (and under value) players that we have sometimes. Where can we get the production Matt Read provides at his current cost is what I see often. Well don't get used to it bc he isn't going to make 900k next year. Furthermore, With Talbot coming back and a resigning of Gagne we have plenty of capable penalty killers. So instead of trading Read for a question mark goalie who has been nothing but stellar everywhere he's been, we want to eat cap space to get a goalie with no hips, another who missed his teams entire playoffs by getting hurt in warmups, a guy who is the most unclutch goalie in the league, or stick with Mason who has been god awful for three years and Bryz who at times can't stop a beachball. Where was the risk? Matt Read? I don't know. Leafs got better today.
- Flyers1218

We'll see if the Leafs got better today.

Per capgeek, Leafs also keep $500k of Frattin's contract.
- Jsaquella

Big gamble for the Leafs.

Big gamble for the Leafs.
- wolfhounds

Frattin's a good player. More size than Read and he's a RFA, not a UFA next summer.

Not as good all around as Read, though.

I just think some over value (and under value) players that we have sometimes. Where can we get the production Matt Read provides at his current cost is what I see often. Well don't get used to it bc he isn't going to make 900k next year. Furthermore, With Talbot coming back and a resigning of Gagne we have plenty of capable penalty killers. So instead of trading Read for a question mark goalie who has been nothing but stellar everywhere he's been, we want to eat cap space to get a goalie with no hips, another who missed his teams entire playoffs by getting hurt in warmups, a guy who is the most unclutch goalie in the league, or stick with Mason who has been god awful for three years and Bryz who at times can't stop a beachball. Where was the risk? Matt Read? I don't know. Leafs got better today.
- Flyers1218

Well said. I've been saying the same since this rumor started. I'm tired of hearing how many other options there are, when none of them really address goalie long term. Giving up Read and a 2nd, and maybe another minor asset was worth the gamble that Bernier is a #1 just entering his prime. This organization just continues to either ignore,mis-evaluate, or go in the wrong direction with goalies. I've had it.