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ravishingone
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: United States, PA
Joined: 06.30.2007

Jun 22 @ 11:35 PM ET
I think Read for Bernier would be a legitimate trade for both teams.
- stveshdy


The tricky part about acquiring Read is your probably going to offer him an extension of at least $4 million/yr or the likelihood is that he tests free agency next summer. He's great value for next season, but you have to believe Lombardi will be looking to acquire asset/assets that can be maintained for more then one season. With the Kings cap situation, paying that kind of money to Read is a question mark at this point.
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Jun 22 @ 11:38 PM ET
At the moment, I believe only for the iPhone.
- ob18

Just checked couldn't find it, have an iPhone .
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Jun 22 @ 11:39 PM ET
Just checked couldn't find it, have an iPhone .
- stveshdy


Odd, I was told it was only on that platform.
wolfhounds
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 06.02.2009

Jun 22 @ 11:41 PM ET
Bergeron taken to hospital for observation

Not good.

stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Jun 22 @ 11:42 PM ET
Odd, I was told it was only on that platform.
- ob18

They use to have it but now it doesn't exist
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Jun 22 @ 11:42 PM ET
They use to have it but now it doesn't exist
- stveshdy


I just have it saved as a bookmark for my andriod.
isaiah520
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "All train compartments smell vaguely of sh*t. It gets so you don't mind it"
Joined: 12.26.2006

Jun 22 @ 11:42 PM ET
The tricky part about acquiring Read is your probably going to offer him an extension of at least $4 million/yr or the likelihood is that he tests free agency next summer. He's great value for next season, but you have to believe Lombardi will be looking to acquire asset/assets that can be maintained for more then one season. With the Kings cap situation, paying that kind of money to Read is a question mark at this point.
- ravishingone

i don't think that's so much a neg for read, because they're going to lose bernier anyway. to get a guy like read, who can step in any situation right away, is quite a boon to a cup contender. willie mitchell coming off the books could swap out a 3.5MM salary the following yr.
wolfhounds
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 06.02.2009

Jun 22 @ 11:44 PM ET
The tricky part about acquiring Read is your probably going to offer him an extension of at least $4 million/yr or the likelihood is that he tests free agency next summer. He's great value for next season, but you have to believe Lombardi will be looking to acquire asset/assets that can be maintained for more then one season. With the Kings cap situation, paying that kind of money to Read is a question mark at this point.
- ravishingone


No doubt, he'll try to get as much as he can, but it's my opinion that both LA and Pitt are working from a weakened position regarding Bernier and Letang because everybody knows they just can't reasonably afford their new contracts.

But that doesn't mean someone won't overpay for them.
isaiah520
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "All train compartments smell vaguely of sh*t. It gets so you don't mind it"
Joined: 12.26.2006

Jun 22 @ 11:45 PM ET
Bergeron taken to hospital for observation

Not good.

- wolfhounds

weird. looked like he sprained or hyper-extended his knee or something. maybe it's a delayed reaction to something like a bruised spleen.
wolfhounds
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 06.02.2009

Jun 22 @ 11:47 PM ET
weird. looked like he sprained or hyper-extended his knee or something. maybe it's a delayed reaction to something like a bruised spleen.
- isaiah520


Punctured lung.
wolfhounds
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 06.02.2009

Jun 22 @ 11:48 PM ET
weird. looked like he sprained or hyper-extended his knee or something. maybe it's a delayed reaction to something like a bruised spleen.
- isaiah520


In all seriousness, it certainly didn't look like much. And what happened to Toews?
ravishingone
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: United States, PA
Joined: 06.30.2007

Jun 22 @ 11:49 PM ET
i don't think that's so much a neg for read, because they're going to lose bernier anyway. to get a guy like read, who can step in any situation right away, is quite a boon to a cup contender. willie mitchell coming off the books could swap out a 3.5MM salary the following yr.
- isaiah520


On the short-term, I agree about Read and the Kings. Long-term planning has to be weighed against the ability to win the Cup in an upcoming season. It just depends on how much Lombardi wants to spend on the forwards as opposed to the defense long-term.

All things being considered, I don't have a problem with a straight swap of Bernier for Read.
puckhead17
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Old Time Hockey
Joined: 08.14.2011

Jun 22 @ 11:50 PM ET
i don't think that's so much a neg for read, because they're going to lose bernier anyway. to get a guy like read, who can step in any situation right away, is quite a boon to a cup contender. willie mitchell coming off the books could swap out a 3.5MM salary the following yr.
- isaiah520


they have time, before an offer sheet can be officially sent, he will be traded, they have time to gut the desperate as much as they can.
isaiah520
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "All train compartments smell vaguely of sh*t. It gets so you don't mind it"
Joined: 12.26.2006

Jun 22 @ 11:50 PM ET
In all seriousness, it certainly didn't look like much. And what happened to Toews?
- wolfhounds

looked like he was mashed by boychuck. could be a conky, shoulder, wrist, ribs...
puckhead17
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Old Time Hockey
Joined: 08.14.2011

Jun 22 @ 11:51 PM ET
On the short-term, I agree about Read and the Kings. Long-term planning has to be weighed against the ability to win the Cup in an upcoming season. It just depends on how much Lombardi wants to spend on the forwards as opposed to the defense long-term.

All things being considered, I don't have a problem with a straight swap of Bernier for Read.

- ravishingone


as long as they have a plan to replace the 20 plus goals Read can produce.
wolfhounds
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 06.02.2009

Jun 22 @ 11:52 PM ET
looked like he was mashed by boychuck. could be a conky, shoulder, wrist, ribs...
- isaiah520


Yup. Missed it when it happened, watching it now...he got popped going through the middle. Game 6 will be interesting going back to Boston with these injuries.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jun 22 @ 11:54 PM ET
as long as they have a plan to replace the 20 plus goals Read can produce.
- puckhead17


And the versatility, the Pk and PP ability, the speed...
wolfhounds
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 06.02.2009

Jun 22 @ 11:54 PM ET
as long as they have a plan to replace the 20 plus goals Read can produce.
- puckhead17


Bernier stopping 20 goals Bryz would have otherwise let in?
Addition by subtraction?
isaiah520
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "All train compartments smell vaguely of sh*t. It gets so you don't mind it"
Joined: 12.26.2006

Jun 22 @ 11:55 PM ET
they have time, before an offer sheet can be officially sent, he will be traded, they have time to gut the desperate as much as they can.
- puckhead17

there are teams that may want to trade for miller, hiller or phyllis diller

then there are the UFAs like backstrom and emery and CBO candidates like Lu...iow, options exist if bernier falls thru.
wolfhounds
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 06.02.2009

Jun 22 @ 11:56 PM ET
And the versatility, the Pk and PP ability, the speed...
- Jsaquella


Laughton, being more of a defensive player, will hopefully carry some of that weight.
ravishingone
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: United States, PA
Joined: 06.30.2007

Jun 22 @ 11:56 PM ET
as long as they have a plan to replace the 20 plus goals Read can produce.
- puckhead17


They have a plan, not sure the fan base is going to particularly enjoy that decision. I can't say for sure the answer is Bernier or Mason, but I'm pretty sure it isn't Heeter and strictly from a financial standpoint with Bryz I doubt he is the answer (no need to debate the on-ice performance because it has been beaten to death).

Bernier has a pedigree, been very successful at every stage of his hockey career, and yes limited experience in the NHL, but successful nonetheless. I don't have a problem with him being obtained.
isaiah520
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "All train compartments smell vaguely of sh*t. It gets so you don't mind it"
Joined: 12.26.2006

Jun 22 @ 11:56 PM ET
On the short-term, I agree about Read and the Kings. Long-term planning has to be weighed against the ability to win the Cup in an upcoming season. It just depends on how much Lombardi wants to spend on the forwards as opposed to the defense long-term.

All things being considered, I don't have a problem with a straight swap of Bernier for Read.

- ravishingone

considering that it would end the current sideshow as well, i'm ok w/ it too. don't really want to pay more.
puckhead17
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Old Time Hockey
Joined: 08.14.2011

Jun 22 @ 11:57 PM ET
Bernier stopping 20 goals Bryz would have otherwise let in?
Addition by subtraction?

- wolfhounds



yeah, how about that, but unless they commit to better defense as a team, (and not have 5 defenseman all injured at the same time), even Bernier wont help.
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Jun 22 @ 11:57 PM ET
And the versatility, the Pk and PP ability, the speed...
- Jsaquella


He's like the energetic swiss army knife of this team.

Not to mention the fact that the dude (because of his major in college?) is a fitness fanatic.

Why are folks so ready to ditch Matt Read again? Someone help me out.
JoeyG1951
Location: Campbell River, BC
Joined: 05.23.2010

Jun 22 @ 11:58 PM ET
Thank god if it is his last game! He was a bust in Tampa and he is so injury prone I would package him out asap.
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