Ya but Raycroft tied a team record for most wins in a season - he was that good!
- Woderwick

2006-07 Toronto Maple Leafs NHL 72 1 8 4108 205 8 2 2.99 37 25 9 1726 0.894

Seems like its scrievns, frattin and gunnerson. Leafs would keep their first rd pick. No link just hearing it.
- leafs2

That would be an amazing trade. The Leafs would be making a significant steal. Which is why I can't believe this rumour, I think LA would look terrible making that trade. The Leafs really should get Bernier, he is a premier goaltending prospect and its only because of stupid unrealistic expectations that players are considered failures if they arent stars by the age of 20. Reimer is not anywhere close to as talented as Bernier, results or not. The Leafs could potentially be getting a franchise player and when that is a possibility you gotta go for it.

Theory: Could we be seeing an infamous three-way, where Bernier is moved immediately after coming here for said package to Philly or some other team?

Bah, who am I kidding, this is maddening!

That would be an amazing trade. The Leafs would be making a significant steal. Which is why I can't believe this rumour, I think LA would look terrible making that trade. The Leafs really should get Bernier, he is a premier goaltending prospect and its only because of stupid unrealistic expectations that players are considered failures if they arent stars by the age of 20. Reimer is not anywhere close to as talented as Bernier, results or not. The Leafs could potentially be getting a franchise player and when that is a possibility you gotta go for it.
- Timmy_Bee

Why would LA look terrible? They'd be getting three assets they can use for their BACK-UP GOALIE, ie. a top 4 d-man, a backup goalie and a 3rd line winger. All for a guy who is their back-up goalie to begin with.

If you have a choice between

A) Red Light Raycroft
B) Vesa Toskala
C) The Monster

Who do you take?
- PinkSock

I think Raycroft is the least worst.

Something must wrong with Reimer healthwise or in the dressing room, or Nonis is nuts. Why would TOR trade top assets for a smallish, unproven goalie when they already have a good young starter in Reimer??? Something funny going on here...I think TOR/LA are colluding or somebody in LA is floating this around (and TOR isn't even in the market for Bernier) so that PHI or MIN, or whoever else increase their offers...
- mventres

That is a flat out ridiculous theory. Toronto is definatley intersted in Bernier, as they should be since goaltending is basically the most important position. As good as Riemer has been, he's never going to be a franchise player award winning goalie. Bernier might be. No guarentees. But they should take the chance.

I think he tied with Belfour didn't he? Who has the stats?
- Woderwick

2002-03 Toronto Maple Leafs NHL 62 2 24 3738 141 4 7 2.26 37 20 5 1675 0.922

I think Raycroft is the least worst.
- TML60

I take the Monster.

A) He's the only one still in the league

B) He's the only one with the size and athleticism to make up for his lack of talent

I think Raycroft is the least worst.
- TML60

Raycroft was fine till he blew his groin out in that game against Boston. After that, he sucked the big one. i remember it clearly, we're up 4-1, and the media hacks covering the game are talking about it looking like Boston made a mistake giving Raycroft up, and he was playing unreal in that game. Then he goes down in flames, from that point on he stunk.

http://scores.espn.go.com...hl/recap?gameId=261109001

Why would LA look terrible? They'd be getting three assets they can use for their BACK-UP GOALIE, ie. a top 4 d-man, a backup goalie and a 3rd line winger. All for a guy who is their back-up goalie to begin with.
- mykokes

Because

They would be getting a much worse back up goalie. A defencemen who probably isnt better then their current top four and a winger who would be hard pressed to take a job from one of las top six wingers. I think its a brilliant trade for the Leafs. LA could definatley get more.

That is a flat out ridiculous theory. Toronto is definatley intersted in Bernier, as they should be since goaltending is basically the most important position. As good as Riemer has been, he's never going to be a franchise player award winning goalie. Bernier might be. No guarentees. But they should take the chance.
- Timmy_Bee

They're the same age and Reimer has proven more.

Not saying that Bernier is bad, nor would I complain about the two of them pushing each other, but there's no way we should trade one of the only guys who can play well with Phaneuf, and Frattin plus for him.

If that's LA's asking price, offer sheet him at $3.3m over 4 years and then either we only give up a second pick, or we handcuff LA (they have less than $8m to sign 8 players).

They named the kid North West?
- PatC80

They're the same age and Reimer has proven more.

Not saying that Bernier is bad, nor would I complain about the two of them pushing each other, but there's no way we should trade one of the only guys who can play well with Phaneuf, and Frattin plus for him.

If that's LA's asking price, offer sheet him at $3.3m over 4 years and then either we only give up a second pick, or we handcuff LA (they have less than $8m to sign 8 players).
- lumlums

The reason they would rather trade for him is because its really dumb to risk draft picks just so you can over pay him and screw up your salary cap flexibility, which is an asset equal to a player worth howwever much you have left on it.

Also, the idea that Bernier has proven less than Riemer is a preposterous argument. Reimer got to be a starting goalie on the Leafs because they sucked . If Riemer played on LA, he would have had no chance to prove anything, just as Bernier hasnt. Plus, just becuase he succeed in getting fifth place and three playoff games isnt really proving anything. Talent trumps whatever Riemer supposedly proved.

You better think twice about some of those comments...They offered the Kings a huge package for him...
- Flyfreaky

Go on...

Because

They would be getting a much worse back up goalie. A defencemen who probably isnt better then their current top four and a winger who would be hard pressed to take a job from one of las top six wingers. I think its a brilliant trade for the Leafs. LA could definatley get more.
- Timmy_Bee

GP W L OT Min. GA SA GAA PCT SO PIM
Year to date 20 7 9 0 1025 46 542 2.69 .915 2
vs
GP W L OT Min. GA SA GAA PCT SO PIM OTGA OTW SOS SOG
Year to date 14 9 3 1 768 24 306 1.88 .922 1 0

Yes, those 7 spct points are much worse, I mean when Bernier is facing 22 shots a gmae vs the 27 shots a game faced by Scrivens, I can totally see how Bernier is sooooo much better than Scrivens was last season.....

Also totally see how Gunnarson couldn't crack their top 4.....
D Carl Gunnarsson 37 1 14 15 5 0 0 0 14 28 3.57 21:16

doesn't stand a chance against any of these guys...
POS NAME GP G A PTS +/- PPG SHG GWG PIM SHOTS PCT ATOI
D Slava Voynov 48 6 19 25 5 1 0 2 14 79 7.59 22:18
D Drew Doughty 48 6 16 22 4 3 0 0 36 114 5.26 26:23
D Jake Muzzin 45 7 9 16 16 3 0 1 35 77 9.09 17:53
D Rob Scuderi 48 1 11 12 -6 0 0 0 4 33 3.03 21:47
D Alec Martinez 27 1 4 5 -2 0 0 0 10 30 3.33 16:01
D Robyn Regehr 41 0 4 4 -4 0 0 0 23 27 0.00 19:25
D Keaton Ellerby 44 0 3 3 3 0 0 0 52 23 0.00 14:28
D Matt Greene 5 0 1 1 -1 0 0 0 8 3 0.00 15:17

And most definitely Matt Frattin and his 13 points in 25 gp doesn't stand a chance against
POS NAME GP G A PTS +/- PPG SHG GWG PIM SHOTS PCT ATOI
L Kyle Clifford 48 7 7 14 1 0 0 1 51 56 12.50 10:36
L Dwight King 47 4 6 10 -3 0 0 0 11 60 6.67 12:45
POS NAME GP G A PTS +/- PPG SHG GWG PIM SHOTS PCT ATOI

R Dustin Penner 33 2 12 14 -2 0 0 0 18 61 3.28 12:41
R Brad Richardson 16 1 5 6 2 0 0 0 10 27 3.70 10:53
C Jarret Stoll 48 7 11 18 1 1 1 3 28 73 9.59 16:31
C Trevor Lewis 48 5 9 14 5 0 1 2 19 92 5.43 15:12
C Colin Fraser 34 2 5 7 -4 0 0 0 25 19 10.53 9:22
C Jordan Nolan 44 2 4 6 -5 0 0 0 46 23 8.70 8:28

The reason they would rather trade for him is because its really dumb to risk draft picks just so you can over pay him and screw up your salary cap flexibility, which is an asset equal to a player worth howwever much you have left on it.

Also, the idea that Bernier has proven less than Riemer is a preposterous argument. Reimer got to be a starting goalie on the Leafs because they sucked . If Riemer played on LA, he would have had no chance to prove anything, just as Bernier hasnt. Plus, just becuase he succeed in getting fifth place and three playoff games isnt really proving anything. Talent trumps whatever Riemer supposedly proved.
- Timmy_Bee

The reason they would rather trade for him is because its really dumb to risk draft picks just so you can over pay him and screw up your salary cap flexibility, which is an asset equal to a player worth howwever much you have left on it.

Also, the idea that Bernier has proven less than Riemer is a preposterous argument. Reimer got to be a starting goalie on the Leafs because they sucked . If Riemer played on LA, he would have had no chance to prove anything, just as Bernier hasnt. Plus, just becuase he succeed in getting fifth place and three playoff games isnt really proving anything. Talent trumps whatever Riemer supposedly proved.
- Timmy_Bee

Reimer has proven more than Bernier......the job was Berniers and Quick stole it. The job in Toronto belonged to a host of others, and Reimer has always stolen it or won it back. Over the last three years, the Leafs are a 99 point team with Reimer in goal, and a 70 point team with the other stiffs. That's proving something

GP W L OT Min. GA SA GAA PCT SO PIM
Year to date 20 7 9 0 1025 46 542 2.69 .915 2

- mykokes

I love how sarcastic and rude you are when your points are bizarre. Did you just try to tell me that because of stats and shots per game face that Scivens is someone in the same class as Bernier? Dude just because a guy has never had a shot doesnt mean he doesnt deserve one. He is vastly more talented any goalie the Leafs have had since Belfour. He is so talented that theres a very good chance he becomes a franchise player.

I just don't get it. Someone please tell me, did Reimer not do exactly what we would want from a young goalie last year? Is there something that make his stats not meaningful that I am missing?

The only way this will not seem bizarre to me is if they acquire Bernier but use Reimer to fill a hole at another position.

Did we not learn about trading first round picks and letting good young goalies go already? WTF

If they trade a first for Bernier and he's no better than Reimer I'm going to be so mad that I will purchase slightly less Leafs paraphanalia in the following months.
- Zezel

Stick it to the man, Zezel.

The reason they would rather trade for him is because its really dumb to risk draft picks just so you can over pay him and screw up your salary cap flexibility, which is an asset equal to a player worth howwever much you have left on it.

Also, the idea that Bernier has proven less than Riemer is a preposterous argument. Reimer got to be a starting goalie on the Leafs because they sucked . If Riemer played on LA, he would have had no chance to prove anything, just as Bernier hasnt. Plus, just becuase he succeed in getting fifth place and three playoff games isnt really proving anything. Talent trumps whatever Riemer supposedly proved.
- Timmy_Bee

The fact that Reimer got to start and take a team that "sucks" to the playoffs automatically shows that he has proven more. He has played more games in front a worse defense and acquitted himself admirably.

With the exception of when he got his bell rung by Gionta, he's been phenomenal, and if he can sort out his rebound control is well destined to be a permanent fixture on this team for a long time.

I will say that Bernier has a butt-load of raw talent, but how would he fare behind a defense like ours? Thats a real test, one that Reimer has stood up to extremely well

I love how sarcastic and rude you are when your points are bizarre. Did you just try to tell me that because of stats and shots per game face that Scivens is someone in the same class as Bernier? Dude just because a guy has never had a shot doesnt mean he doesnt deserve one. He is vastly more talented any goalie the Leafs have had since Belfour. He is so talented that theres a very good chance he becomes a franchise player.
- Timmy_Bee

Cut it out dude. Your trolling is pretty thick.

- UsernameUnknown

That is not an argument. Do you have a reason you disagree with the truth? If you don't state it and instead you just rely on a condescending emoticon, you look clueless. And, about Bernier being 10 X more talented than Riemer, its not my opinion, its pretty much a consensus opinion of NHL scouts.

That is not an argument. Do you have a reason you disagree with the truth? If you don't state it and instead you just rely on a condescending emoticon, you look clueless. And, about Bernier being 10 X more talented than Riemer, its not my opinion, its pretty much a consensus opinion of NHL scouts.
- Timmy_Bee

I would love for you to prove Bernier is 10X more talented than Reimer. It is an opinion because there are no "facts" to support your claim. A scouts concensus is not a fact.

That is not an argument. Do you have a reason you disagree with the truth? If you don't state it and instead you just rely on a condescending emoticon, you look clueless. And, about Bernier being 10 X more talented than Riemer, its not my opinion, its pretty much a consensus opinion of NHL scouts.
- Timmy_Bee

If there's one thing I have learned from my work, raw talent is just the tip of the iceberg. If you don't bust ass and out-work everyone else, you're dead in the water.

Bernier has more talent, but Reimer's work the last couple of years means that he deserves the chance to try and take it to the next level. If he was 31/32 years old I'd be with you 110%, but he's only 24 and only gonna get better. Plus he costs no assets

Cut it out dude. Your trolling is pretty thick.
- UsernameUnknown

Yeah trolls are usually literate people using logic and reason. Its pretty stupid that anyone with a different opinion is just told to leave and stop talking.