Just say no.

This doesn't make us better.
- burn

Word

I've always heard nonis say repeatedly if he can upgrade the goaltending position at a reasonable price, he'll do it. That's why I think he's going after bernier. it creates good competition between reimer and bernier and will bring out the best in them.

Also to the people saying why do we need bernier when we have reimer...do you have faith in scrivens to carry the goaltending load when Reims gets a long term injury? the team was nervous as hell when scrivens was in net. having bernier gives us insurance.

I'm looking forward to having bernier on the team. having competition in net is not a bad thing people!
- icecubz

I find it strange that after being patient for the last couple years, bernier puts himself back in a position where's he's once again not the clear cut number 1.

I think he chooses elsewhere.

True the timely big save is crucial, but watching Reimer this year I thought he delivered that. The collapse at the end of the Bruins series was a one in a million hail mary, I don't put that on the goalie. For a guy in his first series against a team like the Bruins, on the big stage in Toronto I thought his performance was great.

Not saying Bernier isn't good, but it seems like a possible lateral move when the Leafs could really use help in other areas. Particularly if they trade their first round pick, they could use that to add a forward prospect to the system which they need.
- Zezel

Ya that's true im not all for trading the first rounder but other pieces and prospects yes. And Reimer did a hell of the job in the regular season and made the timely saves he needed to but the whole Boston series i found him to lack that.

Did you watch the games? Then you would know whaaaat?
- jake24242

Every one. To say Reimer didn't have the play-offs management was hoping for is just a dumb statement. He let in a few soft goals over his 7 games, but every goalie will and there's not a goalie in the league that would have been able to withstand Boston's onslaught once our team completely checked out of the game. Reimer was not the main factor in any of our losses and he stole at least one game in that series. What more can management ask for?

I will agree with you that his rebound control needs work, however.

I find it strange that after being patient for the last couple years, bernier puts himself back in a position where's he's once again not the clear cut number 1.

I think he chooses elsewhere.
- hugefemale dog77

Bernier is a RFA. He doesn't get to choose. The Kings will trade him, then he can either sign a new contract with the team that acquires his rights, or hold out and hope for an offer sheet that his new team has the option to match.

I find it strange that after being patient for the last couple years, bernier puts himself back in a position where's he's once again not the clear cut number 1.

I think he chooses elsewhere.
- hugefemale dog77

he doesn't get to choose. wherever lombardi trades him, he goes...

and reimer isn't the clear cut #1 like Quick is in LA. i still think he needs more of a push than scrivens to solidify that role.

That's like 2002-03 NY Rangers salary right there.
- tkecanuck341

No by'

Every one. To say Reimer didn't have the play-offs management was hoping for is just a dumb statement. He let in a few soft goals over his 7 games, but every goalie will and there's not a goalie in the league that would have been able to withstand Boston's onslaught once our team completely checked out of the game. Reimer was not the main factor in any of our losses and he stole at least one game in that series. What more can management ask for?

I will agree with you that his rebound control needs work, however.
- BetterCallSaul

Better saves clearly. To say every goalie lets bad goals in the one with the least wins look at Rask you cant say if Boston and Toronto traded goalies for that series that Boston would have went on. Rask made the big save on lupal when it counted Reimer didn't. There is no denying that Reimer is a good goalie i like him but he will not win the leafs a cup so you try to bring in someone who can that's what your suppose to do as a GM win the cup.

he doesn't get to choose. wherever lombardi trades him, he goes...

and reimer isn't the clear cut #1 like Quick is in LA. i still think he needs more of a push than scrivens to solidify that role.
- icecubz

So you think we should spend high end assets to acquire someone to give Reimer a "push to solidfy" him as the number one?

I think i'd rather use those assets on a position more pressing.

Bernier is a RFA. He doesn't get to choose. The Kings will trade him, then he can either sign a new contract with the team that acquires his rights, or hold out and hope for an offer sheet that his new team has the option to match.
- tkecanuck341

No team trading for him will take him with out knowing he will sign a deal with him no one would ever take that chance for what LA is asking so for him being in RFA dose not really matter.

So you think we should spend high end assets to acquire someone to give Reimer a "push to solidfy" him as the number one?

I think i'd rather use those assets on a position more pressing.
- Cooshie

But then... when we have him... WE can trade him for Read

So you think we should spend high end assets to acquire someone to give Reimer a "push to solidfy" him as the number one?

I think i'd rather use those assets on a position more pressing.
- Cooshie

you think scrivens can handle the job if reimer goes down long term? i have no faith in him. nonis feels the same way im guessing...

as long as we don't give up a first rounder for him, im fine with getting him.

frattin + 2nd for bernier is a good deal.

Better saves clearly. To say every goalie lets bad goals in the one with the least wins look at Rask you cant say if Boston and Toronto traded goalies for that series that Boston would have went on. Rask made the big save on lupal when it counted Reimer didn't. There is no denying that Reimer is a good goalie i like him but he will not win the leafs a cup so you try to bring in someone who can that's what your suppose to do as a GM win the cup.
- jake24242

Switch Reimer and Rask and the Leafs very well still lose the series. Reimer single handily won games 2, 5 and 6. Also, boston has a much better defensive team in place then Toronto.
My guess is if Reimer were playing for the Bruins and Rask for the Leafs, Leafs would have still lost the series.

No team trading for him will take him with out knowing he will sign a deal with him no one would ever take that chance for what LA is asking so for him being in RFA dose not really matter.
- jake24242

Agreed, but some people are talking like he has a NTC and can veto a trade if he wants. Nothing in JB's past has shown that he is anything but a team player and someone who is willing to pay his dues to compete for playing time. Holding out isn't exactly conducive to gaining the confidence of your new coaches and teammates. He will sign wherever he is traded, as the steep price that the team has to pay to acquire his rights is evidence that they are committed to giving him a shot at the #1 job.

Bernier is a RFA. He doesn't get to choose. The Kings will trade him, then he can either sign a new contract with the team that acquires his rights, or hold out and hope for an offer sheet that his new team has the option to match.
- tkecanuck341

My bad. Thought he was a UFA. Doesnt seem so strange all of a sudden!

Not what seems strange is trading assets for a guy who may hold out or sign short term so he can bolt.
Unless of course something's worked out long term prior to...

you think scrivens can handle the job if reimer goes down long term? i have no faith in him. nonis feels the same way im guessing...

as long as we don't give up a first rounder for him, im fine with getting him.

frattin + 2nd for bernier is a good deal.
- icecubz

We could replace Scrivens with a veteran that costs us nothing rather then losing Frattin for a backup goalie. Plus if Bernier is a backup, you can bet he will be gone as soon as he is a UFA. The only way I would trade for Bernier is if the Leafs had a trade in place for Reimer.....it makes ZERO sense to have both those guys on the same team.

Edit - Just wanted to say - Scrivens did a pretty solid job backing up Reimer last year as evident by his 92.5 save % and 2.69GAA in 20 games.

Better saves clearly. To say every goalie lets bad goals in the one with the least wins look at Rask you cant say if Boston and Toronto traded goalies for that series that Boston would have went on. Rask made the big save on lupal when it counted Reimer didn't. There is no denying that Reimer is a good goalie i like him but he will not win the leafs a cup so you try to bring in someone who can that's what your suppose to do as a GM win the cup.
- jake24242

I don't think goaltending was the difference, I think it was depth and experience, particularly in Game 1 I think a totally inexperienced Leafs team just came out like deer in the headlights whereas the Bruins totally knew what it was all about.

I'm not sure how people look at young players who are doing very well and just flat out say you will never win a Cup with this guy, I can't write off Reimer completely just yet.

We could replace Scrivens with a veteran that costs us nothing rather then losing Frattin for a backup goalie. Plus if Bernier is a backup, you can bet he will be gone as soon as he is a UFA. The only way I would trade for Bernier is if the Leafs had a trade in place for Reimer.....it makes ZERO sense to have both those guys on the same team.
- Cooshie

i agree with the veteran presence theory. but all i'm saying is having bernier on our team helps us out. plus we can trade bernier or reimer to another desperate team in a couple of years. look at ottawa trading bishop and montreal trading halak. we can still gain something in a couple of years by trading one of them.

im good with either a veteran or bernier to help out reims.

We could replace Scrivens with a veteran that costs us nothing rather then losing Frattin for a backup goalie. Plus if Bernier is a backup, you can bet he will be gone as soon as he is a UFA. The only way I would trade for Bernier is if the Leafs had a trade in place for Reimer.....it makes ZERO sense to have both those guys on the same team.
- Cooshie

Having the Quick + Bernier tandem won LA a Stanley Cup. Bernier didn't factor in the postseason, but having confidence in the backup allowed Sutter to rest Quick down the stretch so Quick wouldn't be overworked for the playoffs. Every team's backup is going to play 15-25 games every season. If you have a backup that can win 81% of those games as Bernier did for the Kings this year, vs. 44% of the games as Scrivens did this year, you can add another 12 points to the Leafs' final standings this year. That puts them at 2nd in the East rather than 5th, and with Ottawa as a first round opponent rather than Boston.

Agreed, but some people are talking like he has a NTC and can veto a trade if he wants. Nothing in JB's past has shown that he is anything but a team player and someone who is willing to pay his dues to compete for playing time. Holding out isn't exactly conducive to gaining the confidence of your new coaches and teammates. He will sign wherever he is traded, as the steep price that the team has to pay to acquire his rights is evidence that they are committed to giving him a shot at the #1 job.
- tkecanuck341

Ok i get what you ment by that post then.

I don't think goaltending was the difference, I think it was depth and experience, particularly in Game 1 I think a totally inexperienced Leafs team just came out like deer in the headlights whereas the Bruins totally knew what it was all about.

I'm not sure how people look at young players who are doing very well and just flat out say you will never win a Cup with this guy, I can't write off Reimer completely just yet.
- Zezel

I cant believe people want to write him off at all.
In a couple years, he could very well be the reason we win playoff series' s.
I have no doubt he has what it takes to steal games. Playoff ones included.

I don't think goaltending was the difference, I think it was depth and experience, particularly in Game 1 I think a totally inexperienced Leafs team just came out like deer in the headlights whereas the Bruins totally knew what it was all about.

I'm not sure how people look at young players who are doing very well and just flat out say you will never win a Cup with this guy, I can't write off Reimer completely just yet.
- Zezel

I think the big reason the Leafs lost was that certain players that are relied upon more than others cracked in the most inopportune times.

I think the big reason the Leafs lost was that certain players that are relied upon more than others cracked in the most inopportune times.
- weirdoh

And I'd say cracked because lines one through four the Bruins could apply a lot of pressure and have been there before in a big way.

Also that last two minutes of Game 7 regulation time was a miracle from God for the Bruins

Guys...

I have been Jonathan Bernier this whole time.

Bernier? With Reimer and Scrivens, I would be surprised to see it happen. I'm almost certain Scrivens would be going the other way if Bernier gets traded to Toronto.