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youarewrong
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 07.07.2010

Jun 21 @ 12:52 PM ET
Youdon'tfollowcurrentevents


Gordon Gee retiring as Ohio State president after ripping ‘damn Catholics’ at Notre Dame

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.co...e-1.1363072#ixzz2Ws0XnIsP

- Lexington Flyer


I was going more for the Priest molesting little boys, and Sandusky (sp) molesting little boys, but yea...

I stopped listening to sports talk radio about a year ago and started listening to Andy Dean and Rush and Mark LaVin.
JAKEw1234
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 2Spookyville, PA
Joined: 03.09.2013

Jun 21 @ 12:52 PM ET
I have had this same feeling. I still think they move up in the draft for Barkov or Nichushkin and trade Couturier for a defenseman.
- youarewrong

Again, trading your best defensive forward for a defenseman is so counterproductive it's stupid. They won't trade Coots for a dman. If they trade him I imagine he'd be involved in a reach for Nichushkin or Barkov.
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Jun 21 @ 12:54 PM ET
Going into the draft, I would rate the top 15 prospects as follows:
1. MacKinnon C
2. Jones D
3. Drouin C/W
4. Nichushkin W
5. Barkov C
6. Monahan C
7. Lindholm C
8. Nurse D
9. Pulock D
10. Shinkaruk C/W
11. Ristolainen D
12. Zadorov D
13. Domi C
14. Wennberg C
15. Horvat C

I can't see anyway the top 5 are available at pick 11, nor do think there is much of chance at Monahan, Lindholm or Nurse being there either. So, looking at numbers 9-15, my order of preference for the Flyers would be:

1. Ristolainen - Of all the D prospects after Jones, I think he is the safest bet to be a solid top 4 defenseman with mobility, size and some nastiness in his game. I also he has a shot at becoming a top pair guy.

2. Pulock - 101 mph shot, plays physical, reads the game well. Skating may be his only drawback, but a lot of very successful NHL defenseman are only average skaters and very few of them have 101 mph slap shots

3. Shinkaruk - his skills are excellent, his shot is lethal and he is a good skater. If he were 1 or 2 inches taller and 10-15lbs heavier he might be a top 5 pick. There are some scouts who question his desire to pay the price physically to make a play, but that would be the only drawback I can see.

4. Zadorov - 18 years old, 6'4 230 and hits to hurt. Sounds pretty good to me. There is some potential for his offensive game to develop too. At the very least he could be a more mobile version of Nick Grossmann and that's not bad.

5. Domi - much like Shinkarkuk, if he was a little bigger he very well could be in the discussion for the top 5. He has very good speed and his skills are exceptional. Much like his old man, he has a low center of gravity and for a small man is pretty hard to knock off the puck. Also every scouting report I've read raves about his work ethic and that can only be a plus.

6. Wennberg - The classic safe pick, though 11 may be a bit high for him. One of those guys who just does everything well. I haven't been able to find a single scouting report that doesn't say he is lock to play in the NHL and will most likely be a top 6 forward.

7. Horvat - BoHo saw his stock shoot up due to his phenomenal play in the memorial cup playoffs. That being said, scouts are very mixed on him. Some see a future Rod Brind'amour type, while others see a very good 3rd line checking center with some offensive upside. With Couturier and Laughton already in the fold, I can only see the Flyers drafting him if they trade down and/or if they trade Schenn or Couturier.
youarewrong
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 07.07.2010

Jun 21 @ 12:56 PM ET
Again, trading your best defensive forward for a defenseman is so counterproductive it's stupid. They won't trade Coots for a dman. If they trade him I imagine he'd be involved in a reach for Nichushkin or Barkov.
- JAKEw1234


They will if that is the asking price. They have Giroux, Schenn, and Laughton coming up. Plus if they trade up for Nichushkin or Barkov they are natural centers too, though they both also play wing.

Add to the fact Carolina wants a top 4 defenseman for the pick, and not a center, and we have too many top 4 defenseman with the addition of Streit.... yea...
cmr.266
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 06.07.2013

Jun 21 @ 12:56 PM ET
Going into the draft, I would rate the top 15 prospects as follows:
1. MacKinnon C
2. Jones D
3. Drouin C/W
4. Nichushkin W
5. Barkov C
6. Monahan C
7. Lindholm C
8. Nurse D
9. Pulock D
10. Shinkaruk C/W
11. Ristolainen D
12. Zadorov D
13. Domi C
14. Wennberg C
15. Horvat C

I can't see anyway the top 5 are available at pick 11, nor do think there is much of chance at Monahan, Lindholm or Nurse being there either. So, looking at numbers 9-11, my order of preference for the Flyers would be:

1. Ristolainen - Of all the D prospects after Jones, I think he is the safest bet to be a solid top 4 defenseman with mobility, size and some nastiness in his game. I also he has a shot at becoming a top pair guy.

2. Pulock - 101 mph shot, plays physical, reads the game well. Skating may be his only drawback, but a lot of very successful NHL defenseman are only average skaters and very few of them have 101 mph slap shots

3. Shinkaruk - his skills are excellent, his shot is lethal and he is a good skater. If he were 1 or 2 inches taller and 10-15lbs heavier he might be a top 5 pick. There are some scouts who question his desire to pay the price physically to make a play, but that would be the only drawback I can see.

4. Zadorov - 18 years old, 6'4 230 and hits to hurt. Sounds pretty good to me. There is some potential for his offensive game to develop too. At the very least he could be a more mobile version of Nick Grossmann and that's not bad.

5. Domi - much like Shinkarkuk, if he was a little bigger he very well could be in the discussion for the top 5. He has very good speed and his skills are exceptional. Much like his old man, he has a low center of gravity and for a small man is pretty hard to knock off the puck. Also every scouting report I've read raves about his work ethic and that can only be a plus.

6. Wennberg - The classic safe pick, though 11 may be a bit high for him. One of those guys who just does everything well. I haven't been able to find a single scouting report that doesn't say he is lock to play in the NHL and will most likely be a top 6 forward.

7. Horvat - BoHo saw his stock shoot up due to his phenomenal play in the memorial cup playoffs. That being said, scouts are very mixed on him. Some see a future Rod Brind'amour type, while others see a very good 3rd line checking center with some offensive upside. With Couturier and Laughton already in the fold, I can only see the Flyers drafting him if they trade down and/or if they trade Schenn or Couturier.

- BiggE



I love it. We have very similiar draft board. Was just working on mine and my article at lunch. Not so sure Jersey takes Pulock at 9, but I can see why they would. I can't see them passing up on a Domi or Shink, but Pulock would certainly help their future blueline.

Great stuff.
cmr.266
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 06.07.2013

Jun 21 @ 12:58 PM ET
I love it. We have very similiar draft board. Was just working on mine and my article at lunch. Not so sure Jersey takes Pulock at 9, but I can see why they would. I can't see them passing up on a Domi or Shink, but Pulock would certainly help their future blueline.

Great stuff.

- cmr.266


I had my 6 for Philly (ruling out the obvious guys) 1) Pulock 2) Risto 3) Shinkaruk 4) Nurse 5) Erne (the surprise pick) and 6) Zadorov. Heavy emphasis on those top two, even if Nurse falls, which there is an outside chance he does.
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Jun 21 @ 12:58 PM ET
Going into the draft, I would rate the top 15 prospects as follows:
1. MacKinnon C
2. Jones D
3. Drouin C/W
4. Nichushkin W
5. Barkov C
6. Monahan C
7. Lindholm C
8. Nurse D
9. Pulock D
10. Shinkaruk C/W
11. Ristolainen D
12. Zadorov D
13. Domi C
14. Wennberg C
15. Horvat C

I can't see anyway the top 5 are available at pick 11, nor do think there is much of chance at Monahan, Lindholm or Nurse being there either. So, looking at numbers 9-11, my order of preference for the Flyers would be:

1. Ristolainen - Of all the D prospects after Jones, I think he is the safest bet to be a solid top 4 defenseman with mobility, size and some nastiness in his game. I also he has a shot at becoming a top pair guy.

2. Pulock - 101 mph shot, plays physical, reads the game well. Skating may be his only drawback, but a lot of very successful NHL defenseman are only average skaters and very few of them have 101 mph slap shots

3. Shinkaruk - his skills are excellent, his shot is lethal and he is a good skater. If he were 1 or 2 inches taller and 10-15lbs heavier he might be a top 5 pick. There are some scouts who question his desire to pay the price physically to make a play, but that would be the only drawback I can see.

4. Zadorov - 18 years old, 6'4 230 and hits to hurt. Sounds pretty good to me. There is some potential for his offensive game to develop too. At the very least he could be a more mobile version of Nick Grossmann and that's not bad.

5. Domi - much like Shinkarkuk, if he was a little bigger he very well could be in the discussion for the top 5. He has very good speed and his skills are exceptional. Much like his old man, he has a low center of gravity and for a small man is pretty hard to knock off the puck. Also every scouting report I've read raves about his work ethic and that can only be a plus.

6. Wennberg - The classic safe pick, though 11 may be a bit high for him. One of those guys who just does everything well. I haven't been able to find a single scouting report that doesn't say he is lock to play in the NHL and will most likely be a top 6 forward.

7. Horvat - BoHo saw his stock shoot up due to his phenomenal play in the memorial cup playoffs. That being said, scouts are very mixed on him. Some see a future Rod Brind'amour type, while others see a very good 3rd line checking center with some offensive upside. With Couturier and Laughton already in the fold, I can only see the Flyers drafting him if they trade down and/or if they trade Schenn or Couturier.

- BiggE


Agreed that we should draft Rysmusellita Zapulockurseolainen
stayinthefnnet
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 01.12.2012

Jun 21 @ 1:00 PM ET
Could be worse. That would help keep him away from New York and those classless Kansas City Penguins.

At this point of his career I think he needs the right combination of linemates - and a clean bill of health - to be productive.

- cmr.266

i dont think id even want danny briere, unless he came cheap to the point of absurdity
cmr.266
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 06.07.2013

Jun 21 @ 1:02 PM ET
i dont think id even want danny briere, unless he came cheap to the point of absurdity
- stayinthefnnet


You have enough on your hands with the cap. Though Shero is a wizard at making it work. You never know, man.
youarewrong
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 07.07.2010

Jun 21 @ 1:03 PM ET
Agreed that we should draft Rysmusellita Zapulockurseolainen
- johndewar


Hypothetical question. If you could trade your 22 roster players for the first 22 picks in this draft, would you?
cmr.266
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 06.07.2013

Jun 21 @ 1:03 PM ET
Hypothetical question. If you could trade your 22 roster players for the first 22 picks in this draft, would you?
- youarewrong


Negative, but i'd do 6 for 6.
stayinthefnnet
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 01.12.2012

Jun 21 @ 1:03 PM ET
You have enough on your hands with the cap. Though Shero is a wizard at making it work. You never know, man.
- cmr.266

haha yeah that they do. they also have enough players who refuse to play defense and take stupid stick penalties. haha god can you imagine him on a line with malkin and neal?
stayinthefnnet
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 01.12.2012

Jun 21 @ 1:05 PM ET
Negative, but i'd do 6 for 6.
- cmr.266

am i reading this wrong? or in this hypothetical, would you move what you consider to be the top 6 players off of the flyers team, for the top 6 picks in this draft? thats an interesting concept. at first i thought id think the flyers were giving up too much, but now i am unsure of what i was thinking.
bradleyc4
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the jewelry is still out
Joined: 01.16.2007

Jun 21 @ 1:06 PM ET
Sather: "We'll be employing advance stat tracking..."

cmr.266
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 06.07.2013

Jun 21 @ 1:07 PM ET
haha yeah that they do. they also have enough players who refuse to play defense and take stupid stick penalties. haha god can you imagine him on a line with malkin and neal?
- stayinthefnnet


Yes, and it makes me laugh a lot. They have some serious retooling to do.
stayinthefnnet
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 01.12.2012

Jun 21 @ 1:07 PM ET
Yes, and it makes me laugh a lot. They have some serious retooling to do.
- cmr.266

who the pens?
jak521
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Buckle Up.
Joined: 02.19.2008

Jun 21 @ 1:08 PM ET
haha yeah that they do. they also have enough players who refuse to play defense and take stupid stick penalties. haha god can you imagine him on a line with malkin and neal?
- stayinthefnnet

Hahaha.. you guys would have aneurysms at an alarming rate.
stayinthefnnet
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 01.12.2012

Jun 21 @ 1:09 PM ET
Hahaha.. you guys would have aneurysms at an alarming rate.
- jak521

it would be laughable. i do think briere still has some goals left in his stick though, and if he came cheap enough, he will be a very nice addition for some team.
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Jun 21 @ 1:10 PM ET
Going into the draft, I would rate the top 15 prospects as follows:
- BiggE


1. MacKinnon,
2. Drouin,
3. Jones,
4. Barkov,
5. Nurse,
6. Monahan,
7. Zadorov,
8. Nichushkin,
9. Shinkaruk,
10. Domi
11. Lindholm,
12. Wennberg,
13. Horvat,
14. Morin,
15. Gauthier,
16. Pulock,
17. Erne,
18. Lazar,
19. Ristolainen,
20. Zykov.


Domi, Wennberg, Horvat, or Gauthier for the Flyers.
cmr.266
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 06.07.2013

Jun 21 @ 1:12 PM ET
it would be laughable. i do think briere still has some goals left in his stick though, and if he came cheap enough, he will be a very nice addition for some team.
- stayinthefnnet


He won't be cheap. The cap floor teams will ruin this UFA market - especially after the amnesty buy outs.
JAKEw1234
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 2Spookyville, PA
Joined: 03.09.2013

Jun 21 @ 1:12 PM ET
They will if that is the asking price. They have Giroux, Schenn, and Laughton coming up. Plus if they trade up for Nichushkin or Barkov they are natural centers too, though they both also play wing.

Add to the fact Carolina wants a top 4 defenseman for the pick, and not a center, and we have too many top 4 defenseman with the addition of Streit.... yea...

- youarewrong

Nichushkin is a natural winger
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Jun 21 @ 1:13 PM ET
Sather: "We'll be employing advance stat tracking..."


- bradleyc4




Homer: "We'll continue our policy of BNA... biggest name available..."

JAKEw1234
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 2Spookyville, PA
Joined: 03.09.2013

Jun 21 @ 1:13 PM ET
1. MacKinnon,
2. Drouin,
3. Jones,
4. Barkov,
5. Nurse,
6. Monahan,
7. Zadorov,
8. Nichushkin,
9. Shinkaruk,
10. Domi
11. Lindholm,
12. Wennberg,
13. Horvat,
14. Morin,
15. Gauthier,
16. Pulock,
17. Erne,
18. Lazar,
19. Ristolainen,
20. Zykov.


Domi, Wennberg, Horvat, or Gauthier for the Flyers.

- Tomahawk


What makes you put Gauthier, Morin, and Wennberg all above Pulock?
stayinthefnnet
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 01.12.2012

Jun 21 @ 1:14 PM ET
He won't be cheap. The cap floor teams will ruin this UFA market - especially after the amnesty buy outs.
- cmr.266

yeah i could see him still getting over 3 a year. which is too rich for my tastes with the pens. doesnt fulfill a need for that price. hopefully shero stays away
wolfhounds
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 06.02.2009

Jun 21 @ 1:15 PM ET
1. MacKinnon,
2. Drouin,
3. Jones,
4. Barkov,
5. Nurse,
6. Monahan,
7. Zadorov,
8. Nichushkin,
9. Shinkaruk,
10. Domi
11. Lindholm,
12. Wennberg,
13. Horvat,
14. Morin,
15. Gauthier,
16. Pulock,
17. Erne,
18. Lazar,
19. Ristolainen,
20. Zykov.


Domi, Wennberg, Horvat, or Gauthier for the Flyers.

- Tomahawk


You think Nurse is a Top 5 pick?
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