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wolfhounds
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 06.02.2009

Jun 21 @ 2:44 PM ET
I just hope the team stays patient if they draft a dman. Most of the best Dmen in the league went through growing pains on bad teams. I fear that if a guy like Pulock struggles like Larsson, the fan base and management will want to trade him too early.
- PhillySportsGuy


Yup, a very real concern, which is why some are leaning toward taking a forward.
JAKEw1234
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 2Spookyville, PA
Joined: 03.09.2013

Jun 21 @ 2:45 PM ET
CAPGEEK.COM USER GENERATED ROSTER
My Custom Lineup
FORWARDS
Scott Hartnell ($4.750m) / Claude Giroux ($3.750m) / Jakub Voracek ($4.250m)
Tye McGinn ($0.775m) / Brayden Schenn ($3.110m) / Wayne Simmonds ($3.975m)
Scott Laughton ($1.107m) / Maxime Talbot ($1.750m) / Bobby Ryan ($5.100m)
Matt Read ($0.900m) / Sean Couturier ($1.375m) / Zac Rinaldo ($0.750m)
Jay Rosehill ($0.675m) /
DEFENSEMEN
Kimmo Timonen ($6.000m) / Mark Streit ($5.250m)
Chris Pronger ($4.941m) / Luke Schenn ($3.600m)
Andrej Meszaros ($4.000m) / Bruno Gervais ($0.825m)
Nicklas Grossmann ($3.500m) /
GOALTENDERS
Jonas Hiller ($3.600m—20.0%)
Steve Mason ($1.500m)
OTHER
Buyout: Oskars Bartulis ($0.100m)
Buyout: Ilya Bryzgalov ($0.000m)
------
CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled with the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $65,766,022; BONUSES: $2,800,000
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $1,333,978

What do you guys think huh huh? I have the 11th and Coburn going to Ducks for Ryan and Hiller with Ducks eating %20 of Hillers salary a season? Could work financially but dont know if it would happen.

- flyerfan28

I hope those aren't your real lines Mcginn playing top 6 while Ryan plays 3rd line and Read 4th, with Laughton playing the wing?

11th + Coburn probably won't even get us Ryan, let alone Ryan and Hiller. I think Anaheim could get more from another team.
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Jun 21 @ 2:46 PM ET
CAPGEEK.COM USER GENERATED ROSTER
My Custom Lineup
FORWARDS
Scott Hartnell ($4.750m) / Claude Giroux ($3.750m) / Jakub Voracek ($4.250m)
Tye McGinn ($0.775m) / Brayden Schenn ($3.110m) / Wayne Simmonds ($3.975m)
Scott Laughton ($1.107m) / Maxime Talbot ($1.750m) / Bobby Ryan ($5.100m)
Matt Read ($0.900m) / Sean Couturier ($1.375m) / Zac Rinaldo ($0.750m)
Jay Rosehill ($0.675m) /
DEFENSEMEN
Kimmo Timonen ($6.000m) / Mark Streit ($5.250m)
Chris Pronger ($4.941m) / Luke Schenn ($3.600m)
Andrej Meszaros ($4.000m) / Bruno Gervais ($0.825m)
Nicklas Grossmann ($3.500m) /
GOALTENDERS
Jonas Hiller ($3.600m—20.0%)
Steve Mason ($1.500m)
OTHER
Buyout: Oskars Bartulis ($0.100m)
Buyout: Ilya Bryzgalov ($0.000m)
------
CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled with the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $65,766,022; BONUSES: $2,800,000
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $1,333,978

What do you guys think huh huh? I have the 11th and Coburn going to Ducks for Ryan and Hiller with Ducks eating %20 of Hillers salary a season? Could work financially but dont know if it would happen.

- flyerfan28


1st off, there is no way I think you can count on McGinn to play on your 2nd line.

I'm not really that interested in Ryan, especially if the 11th pick is going in the deal, but if you did make that deal, I would go with:
Hartnell-Giroux-Voracek
Ryan-Schenn-Read
Talbot or McGinn-Couturier-Simmonds
Talbot, McGinn or Rosehill-Laughton-Rinaldo

Also, why would you have Gervais on your 3rd pair over Grossmann????

PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Jun 21 @ 2:46 PM ET
Also getting a pretty good goaltender coming back plus he only has one year left til UFA....Gives the Flyers a season to see if they can roll with Mason or Hiller long term.
- flyerfan28


That trade scenario is fair. However, I wouldn't part with the 11th overall unless it was part of a bigger deal for a player we really needed.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jun 21 @ 2:47 PM ET
That trade scenario is fair. However, I wouldn't part with the 11th overall unless it was part of a bigger deal for a player we really needed.
- PhillySportsGuy


Would you part with the 11th pick for RYAB PULOCK FIST?
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Jun 21 @ 2:48 PM ET
Would you part with the 11th pick for RYAB PULOCK FIST?
- jmatchett383


No. But I hear his brother Ryan is pretty good.
JAKEw1234
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 2Spookyville, PA
Joined: 03.09.2013

Jun 21 @ 2:49 PM ET
1st off, there is no way I think you can count on McGinn to play on your 2nd line.

I'm not really that interested in Ryan, especially if the 11th pick is going in the deal, but if you did make that deal, I would go with:
Hartnell-Giroux-Voracek
Simmonds-Schenn-Ryan
Read-Couturier-Talbot
McGinn or Rosehill-Laughton-Rinaldo

Also, why would you have Gervais on your 3rd pair over Grossmann????

- BiggE

Fixed for you. Simmonds doesn't have the defensive ability over Read to play on a Couturier-Talbot line. Read is a better fit for a defensive line, and Simmonds for a scoring line. I also think Simmonds is more ambidextrous between LW and RW than Ryan is.
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Jun 21 @ 2:50 PM ET
Ethnicity implies that he is of Russian blood, I get it. But you tried to point out that Nichushkin isn't the best Russian in the draft because Barkov is ahead of him, when in fact Nichushkin is the best Russian in the draft, and Barkov is the best Finn.
- JAKEw1234



Is Jeremy Lin heralded as a Asian/Taiwanese/Chinese NBA player, or is he simply referred to as an American because he was born, raised and played here?

(btw, all this over a minor technicality... aren't we bored)
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jun 21 @ 2:51 PM ET
Is Jeremy Lin heralded as a Asian/Taiwanese/Chinese NBA player, or is he simply referred to as an American because he was born, raised and played here?

(btw, all this over a minor technicality... aren't we bored)

- Tomahawk


EVERYONE IS A CANADIAN HINDU OF TURKISH DESCENT!
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Jun 21 @ 2:51 PM ET
Quick off-topic question: What current NHL players do you think, right now, are Hall of Famers?

First ballot:
Jagr (esp. if he wins a 3rd Cup)
Brodeur
Selanne
Crosby
Datsyuk

Later:
Chara
Ovechkin (unless he wins a Cup)
Malkin
Iginla
Lundqvist (again, a Cup changes things)

Just misses:
Lecavalier
St. Louis
E. Staal
Zetterberg
Rciahrds/Carter
Weber (as much as I like him)
Alredsson
Thornton

Too early for guys like Toews, Tavares, Stamkos, Eberle, Hall, Giroux, Karlsson.

- jmatchett383


Some visceral reaction to this list:

1.) Not so fast on Crosby. He has an injury history such that there exists a possibility that his career might be truncated or rendered less impressive somehow. But if he's healthy.....yeah, HOF'er, no doubt.

2.) Jagr doesn't need another Cup. He's in.

3.) Iggy will probably get in and Marty St. Louis, if you ask me, will absolutely be in the HOF.
JAKEw1234
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 2Spookyville, PA
Joined: 03.09.2013

Jun 21 @ 2:52 PM ET
Is Jeremy Lin heralded as a Asian/Taiwanese/Chinese NBA player, or is he simply referred to as an American because he was born, raised and played here?

(btw, all this over a minor technicality... aren't we bored)

- Tomahawk

Finnish isn't a race, my friend.
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Jun 21 @ 2:52 PM ET
Fixed for you. Simmonds doesn't have the defensive ability over Read to play on a Couturier-Talbot line. Read is a better fit for a defensive line, and Simmonds for a scoring line. I also think Simmonds is more ambidextrous between LW and RW than Ryan is.
- JAKEw1234


Simmonds- Schenn-Ryan Better be taking only offensive zone face-offs.
JAKEw1234
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 2Spookyville, PA
Joined: 03.09.2013

Jun 21 @ 2:53 PM ET
Some visceral reaction to this list:

1.) Not so fast on Crosby. He has an injury history such that there exists a possibility that his career might be truncated or rendered less impressive somehow. But if he's healthy.....yeah, HOF'er, no doubt.

2.) Jagr doesn't need another Cup. He's in.

3.) Iggy will probably get in and Marty St. Louis, if you ask me, will absolutely be in the HOF.

- johndewar


Plus he's on steroids
JAKEw1234
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 2Spookyville, PA
Joined: 03.09.2013

Jun 21 @ 2:54 PM ET
Simmonds- Schenn-Ryan Better be taking only offensive zone face-offs.
- PhillySportsGuy

Well it isn't a defensive line that's for sure. It would be our grittiest and most physical line, though.
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Jun 21 @ 2:54 PM ET
Plus he's on estrogen
- JAKEw1234


FTFY
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Jun 21 @ 2:54 PM ET
Plus he's on steroids
- JAKEw1234


Horse tranquilizers?
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Jun 21 @ 2:55 PM ET
Well it isn't a defensive line that's for sure. It would be our grittiest and most physical line, though.
- JAKEw1234


That line could throw together a pretty good cycle
Crimsoninja
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Dude, I am so sorry about whatever made you like this. Take it easy.
Joined: 07.06.2007

Jun 21 @ 2:55 PM ET
Horse tranquilizers?
- PhillySportsGuy

excellent avatar, sir
aightwebang17
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Typical Montreal, PA
Joined: 07.10.2008

Jun 21 @ 2:57 PM ET
excellent avatar, sir
- Crimsoninja

who dat? steve perry?
JAKEw1234
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 2Spookyville, PA
Joined: 03.09.2013

Jun 21 @ 2:58 PM ET
That line could throw together a pretty good cycle
- PhillySportsGuy

I'd still rather make a reach and have a Nichushkin-Schenn-Simmonds line though. Too bad Tampa is taking him at #3.
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Jun 21 @ 2:58 PM ET
excellent avatar, sir
- Crimsoninja


Why thank you. I was quite happy when Bill quoted him in a blog earlier this week.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jun 21 @ 2:58 PM ET
Plus he's on steroids
- JAKEw1234


I think he already gets in. 3rd fastest to 500 points behind Gretzky and Lemieux.
Captain of a Cup winner
Tons of midget/junior awards (really, the list is incredible)
1 Art Ross
2 Ted Lindsay/Pearson
1 Rocket Richard Trophy
1 Gold/1 Silver from WJC
Olympic gold medal (OT winning goal scorer)
Tons of "youngest player to" records.

To me, he's already in.
Crimsoninja
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Dude, I am so sorry about whatever made you like this. Take it easy.
Joined: 07.06.2007

Jun 21 @ 2:59 PM ET
who dat? steve perry?
- aightwebang17

lol

mitch hedberg
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jun 21 @ 2:59 PM ET
I'd still rather make a reach and have a Nichushkin-Schenn-Simmonds line though. Too bad Tampa is taking him at #3.
- JAKEw1234


Simmonds? Deal.
bradleyc4
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the jewelry is still out
Joined: 01.16.2007

Jun 21 @ 2:59 PM ET
who dat? steve perry?
- aightwebang17


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