numerous people have told me who they believed his source to be and i looked into it well say. again he may have more than one but i know one is gone. thats all i can say on it without totally giving it away

enroth deal was in place last night, hackett deal, and stars HC job.

and hopefully more as it happens. you get the friendly message from someone in each teams circle, so it is always interesting to see what follows thourhg correctly or not
- Beezer33

got any other guesses/leads in the pipeline??? you could PM them too if you want.

What kind of coach is ruff? And any players he would recond us getting from you guys?
- NoobasaurusRex

Ruff is a tough coach, not a players coach. He can adjust to the talent he has though. When the Sabres had Briere, Drury, Max, Dumont etc when they went to the conference championships, the Sabres were a fast skating, up tempo team. When they went to the finals in 1999 they were a grinding, defensive team that relied on Hasek. I think he just got stale with the players here in the last couple of years because he was here too long.

Ruff is an all defensive minded coach... if he gets a 1-0 or 2-1 lead.. he just has his team dump and chase and dump and chase... he relies on his Goalie to win every game down the stretch.

He never really had a very good PP unit in the last 4-5 years in Buffalo but was known to have a pretty decent PK unit up until this past year.

He has also been known to not be very good at developing and coaching up young talent.

Lastly... he is known to hold on to his older players for the talent they had years ago... He also really likes guys that just play really hard and have great hustle regardless of if they are any good at hockey.
- JVince11

So he will ruin benn and chaisson? Outside of 2-3 players our entire forward group will be kids, is that bad news?

So he will ruin benn and chaisson? Outside of 2-3 players our entire forward group will be kids, is that bad news?
- NoobasaurusRex

the second part it will be good for about 3 years then he get appathtic

benn will be fine

Ruff is an all defensive minded coach... if he gets a 1-0 or 2-1 lead.. he just has his team dump and chase and dump and chase... he relies on his Goalie to win every game down the stretch.

He never really had a very good PP unit in the last 4-5 years in Buffalo but was known to have a pretty decent PK unit up until this past year.

He has also been known to not be very good at developing and coaching up young talent.

Lastly... he is known to hold on to his older players for the talent they had years ago... He also really likes guys that just play really hard and have great hustle regardless of if they are any good at hockey.
- JVince11

Ruff is far from being an all defensive minded coach. If he was, he would not ever allow his defensemen to pinch as much as they do. Ruff has an offensive style but stresses his players be responsible on defense. He does employ the dump and chase when he has a lead but so do alot of other successful teams.

So he will ruin benn and chaisson? Outside of 2-3 players our entire forward group will be kids, is that bad news?
- NoobasaurusRex

Its not the best hire but he has worked wonders with worse before. Hope that he has a stronger supporting cast of coaches with him

So he will ruin benn and chaisson? Outside of 2-3 players our entire forward group will be kids, is that bad news?
- NoobasaurusRex

I wouldn't consider it good news....

he does favor the vets more than rooks IMO...

Ruff is a tough coach, not a players coach. He can adjust to the talent he has though. When the Sabres had Briere, Drury, Max, Dumont etc when they went to the conference championships, the Sabres were a fast skating, up tempo team. When they went to the finals in 1999 they were a grinding, defensive team that relied on Hasek. I think he just got stale with the players here in the last couple of years because he was here too long.
- GilPerreault11

If your defensive minded, aren't you trying to avoid relying on your goalie?

Ruff is far from being an all defensive minded coach. If he was, he would not ever allow his defensemen to pinch as much as they do. Ruff has an offensive style but stresses his players be responsible on defense. He does employ the dump and chase when he has a lead but so do alot of other successful teams.
- Dwight K. Schrute

well his offense has sucked every year lately.. so if he isn't defensive minded... then he just is average at both.

IMO

numerous people have told me who they believed his source to be and i looked into it well say. again he may have more than one but i know one is gone. thats all i can say on it without totally giving it away

enroth deal was in place last night, hackett deal, and stars HC job.

and hopefully more as it happens. you get the friendly message from someone in each teams circle, so it is always interesting to see what follows thourhg correctly or not
- Beezer33

any other Sabres rumblings?

Any truth to all the Vanek to Caps crap?

PM if you would like!

If your defensive minded, aren't you trying to avoid relying on your goalie?
- sbroads24

I said that because the Sabres didn't have the talent, without Hasek, to get to the finals that year without him. Didn't the team rely on Hasek? Weren't they a grinding team without a lot of offensive talent? Yeah, thought so Einstein

Vanek and miller will both bring a top 15 pick and a prospect. I think Vanek goes to the Jets they pushed hard for him deadline day. We would get 13 and a top prospect or burmistrov.

Miller most likely will go to phoenix for 12 and a prospect
- Djtyczy

This. I just think Pho (or Seattle lol) would mesh really well with Miller. He wants to be on the left coast. Could take a slight discount to be near wifey. Would they part with pick 12? not sure. We could definitely sweeten the deal if not. I forget the guys name, but avatar with baghead said we might be able to get more for miller if we take a first rounder for next year and I agree with that 100%. But if we can get 12 then I say go for it.

I was thinking the isle for Vanek, but jets could work too. very interesting... Do you think those teams would notice us stacking up on 1st rounders and maybe command a higher price seeing our trend.

PS - congrats and good luck to Lindy.

I said that because the Sabres didn't have the talent, without Hasek, to get to the finals that year without him. Didn't the team rely on Hasek? Weren't they a grinding team without a lot of offensive talent? Yeah, thought so Einstein
- GilPerreault11

Ruff was never a defensive minded coach. People who don't know the sport assume that because he was a defensemen.

So he will ruin benn and chaisson? Outside of 2-3 players our entire forward group will be kids, is that bad news?
- NoobasaurusRex

Alright, lindy is a very good coach, thats why hes on team canada staff. Everyone here is biased. I liked Lindy but it was time for him to go. And i can guarantee that your GM asked Jamie Benn about him Benn played under him.

What was Vaneks relationship with ruff? I'd love to see him here if he decides he wants to leave buffalo

Ruff was never a defensive minded coach. People who don't know the sport assume that because he was a defensemen.
- sbroads24

They weren't an offensive team that year. The goalie is part of defense, and they weren't the up skating, strong transitional team they were when they went to the Conf Championships. They were more of a defensive team, and Ruff has coached different systems based on the talent/players. If you don't see that, then you don't know the sport.

I said that because the Sabres didn't have the talent, without Hasek, to get to the finals that year without him. Didn't the team rely on Hasek? Weren't they a grinding team without a lot of offensive talent? Yeah, thought so Einstein
- GilPerreault11

Pretty sure that grinding team was built by Muckler and Nolan. Once Ruff came on board and the team retooled you saw guys like Satan, Campbell and Vanek after he was drafted prosper. Ruff rides his goaltenders, he doesn't solely rely on them.

What was Vaneks relationship with ruff? I'd love to see him here if he decides he wants to leave buffalo
- NoobasaurusRex

I'd love to trade Vanek and 16th overall to your for 10th overall and Eriksson...

parameters not perfect yet.

Pretty sure that grinding team was built by Muckler and Nolan. Once Ruff came on board and the team retooled you saw guys like Satan, Campbell and Vanek after he was drafted prosper. Ruff rides his goaltenders, he doesn't solely rely on them.
- Dwight K. Schrute

That team was built by Muckler, but the question wasn't about who built the team, but how Lindy coaches,

I'd love to trade Vanek and 16th overall to your for 10th overall and Eriksson...

parameters not perfect yet.
- JVince11

Maybe vanek and a second for 10 and morrow?

so Vanek, Miller,Staff, Suckerra for Benn and lehtonon and 10

bam killed it

I'd love to trade Vanek and 16th overall to your for 10th overall and Eriksson...

parameters not perfect yet.
- JVince11

Meh, I don't see how vanek is an upgrade over loui. Not saying he's worse, just not worth dropping down 6 spots. Isn't Vaneks contract up after this year?

They weren't an offensive team that year. The goalie is part of defense, and they weren't the up skating, strong transitional team they were when they went to the Conf Championships. They were more of a defensive team, and Ruff has coached different systems based on the talent/players. If you don't see that, then you don't know the sport.
- GilPerreault11

They were in the mold of a average team with a great goaltender. Also Ruff and Regeir deserve little credit for that roster. He's not a D minded coach. Relying on your goalie to stop numberous 2 on 1s is not thinking defense first. The Kings are a defensive minded team, same with Boston for the most part, stay at home defensemen and strong 2 way forwards that can skate and play a 200 ft game.

Ruff preferred Roy, Connolly, Vanek etc

They were in the mold of a average team with a great goaltender. Also Ruff and Regeir deserve little credit for that roster. He's not a D minded coach. Relying on your goalie to stop numberous 2 on 1s is not thinking defense first. The Kings are a defensive minded team, same with Boston for the most part, stay at home defensemen and strong 2 way forwards that can skate and play a 200 ft game.

Ruff preferred Roy, Connolly, Vanek etc
- sbroads24

Ruff had no choice but to play Roy or Connolly, those are the "top 2 20 centers" Darcy gave him and I never spoke to Ruff and I'm sure you didn't either.