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hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Jun 20 @ 5:42 PM ET
Well, the guy was a popular player here, and it's nice that they gave him a chance to say adios.

If Bryz is bought out, don't expect as much fanfare

- Jsaquella

Fanfare? It going to be a full on circus when that happens. Flyers will trash Bryz and he will do the same to them.
dingo8urbaby
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.02.2009

Jun 20 @ 5:42 PM ET
Well, the guy was a popular player here, and it's nice that they gave him a chance to say adios.

If Bryz is bought out, don't expect as much fanfare

- Jsaquella


I have yet to make it to Philly to watch a game and there are many players I regret not seeing play live (Tony Amonte being number 1) but I have to say I'm sure glad I didn't miss him. It took some time as he either wasn't at certain games due to being a scratch or injury but it did end up happening a number of times for me.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jun 20 @ 5:45 PM ET
Some dope leaked it, left him hanging in the wind, kindest thing is make it official so there aren't uncomfortable silences or fake denials.
- bodiva88


Well, it wasn't exactly a secret. Briere getting a CBO was so obviously going to happen, it was hard to miss.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jun 20 @ 5:46 PM ET
I have yet to make it to Philly to watch a game and there are many players I regret not seeing play live (Tony Amonte being number 1) but I have to say I'm sure glad I didn't miss him. It took some time as he either wasn't at certain games due to being a scratch or injury but it did end up happening a number of times for me.
- dingo8urbaby


He was a fun player to watch...It'd be nice if they could re-do the deal or something, but he's not the same player he once was and the cap hit is too big to justify.
mayorofangrytown
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Downingtown, PA
Joined: 08.16.2006

Jun 20 @ 5:55 PM ET
since when did you like him?

i still have that puck you gave me

- Don'tForgetTocchet

I had four and a hat in the back of my car that he signed. That was the season of Briere. I think I gave Bo one too.

I liked him. Thought they should have dumped his contract two years ago but that doesn't mean I didn't like him.
JAKEw1234
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 2Spookyville, PA
Joined: 03.09.2013

Jun 20 @ 5:56 PM ET
Ranking the top 10 goalies in NHL draft

http://www.usatoday.com/s...-red-line-report/2441523/

- ob18

I'd be for trying to get many mid-round picks to get a few of these guys. High-round picks are where elite forward prospects come from. Mid round picks are where elite goaltending prospects come from
Winning
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Put in Matt Read
Joined: 03.29.2011

Jun 20 @ 5:58 PM ET
or that they are pretending they havent decided so they dont seem desparate in goalie trade discussions
- Crimsoninja

boom
Crimsoninja
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Dude, I am so sorry about whatever made you like this. Take it easy.
Joined: 07.06.2007

Jun 20 @ 6:01 PM ET
boom
- Winning

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GirouxForTheShow
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Fuck you raff
Joined: 01.04.2009

Jun 20 @ 6:01 PM ET
He was a fun player to watch...It'd be nice if they could re-do the deal or something, but he's not the same player he once was and the cap hit is too big to justify.
- Jsaquella


I think if renegotiating a contract was allowed Briere would be the prime example. Having said that, idk why NHL/NHLPA didn't allow that.
FlyersGrace
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Pronger "Play the game puffnuts!" , DE
Joined: 07.02.2012

Jun 20 @ 6:04 PM ET
So anyone else think Zherdev would look great in goalie pads?
GID Homer!
GirouxForTheShow
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Fuck you raff
Joined: 01.04.2009

Jun 20 @ 6:05 PM ET
I'd be for trying to get many mid-round picks to get a few of these guys. High-round picks are where elite forward prospects come from. Mid round picks are where elite goaltending prospects come from
- JAKEw1234


Out of those mentioned, I'd like to pick up Jarry. His athleticism is great, and his positioning is even better. But we will draft 6 centers who are most comparable to Mike Richards and call it a day.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jun 20 @ 6:06 PM ET
I think if renegotiating a contract was allowed Briere would be the prime example. Having said that, idk why NHL/NHLPA didn't allow that.
- GirouxForTheShow


The usual, cap circumvention for the NHL. And guaranteed contracts from the NHLPA side.
hammarby31
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: it's been 84 years, AZ
Joined: 01.02.2007

Jun 20 @ 6:15 PM ET
Well, the guy was a popular player here, and it's nice that they gave him a chance to say adios.

If Bryz is bought out, don't expect as much fanfare

- Jsaquella


i expect they'll have z's limo driver ready and waiting.
bodiva88
Referee
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: There aren't any answers. Only choices.
Joined: 07.01.2007

Jun 20 @ 6:18 PM ET
He probably wouldn't waive otherwise he could have very well been playing for Boston right now.
- hereticpride

Rumor has it he wouldn't waive. I think he wants to have a choice of where he ends up and the only way he has that is to sign a new deal. Plus, he's at the point where the dollars are small and the hit is big, which is something a team in the hunt is unlikely to want. So being a UFA is better for him and for competitive teams he might want to play for.
bodiva88
Referee
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: There aren't any answers. Only choices.
Joined: 07.01.2007

Jun 20 @ 6:20 PM ET
I had four and a hat in the back of my car that he signed. That was the season of Briere. I think I gave Bo one too.

I liked him. Thought they should have dumped his contract two years ago but that doesn't mean I didn't like him.

- mayorofangrytown

No.
But I have his autograph on his bobblehead. So it's all good.
GirouxForTheShow
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Fuck you raff
Joined: 01.04.2009

Jun 20 @ 6:21 PM ET
The usual, cap circumvention for the NHL. And guaranteed contracts from the NHLPA side.
- MJL


Yeah but in that case, the CBO isn't guaranteeing full price of original signed contract and its circumventing the cap now anyways. I guess, why the restrictions on if a player can sign with team that bought him out? Not advocating all contracts eligible to be renegotiated, just don't see the problem with players re-signing with the same team i.e. Briere re-signing here. Why have to wait a year?
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jun 20 @ 6:25 PM ET
Rumor has it he wouldn't waive. I think he wants to have a choice of where he ends up and the only way he has that is to sign a new deal. Plus, he's at the point where the dollars are small and the hit is big, which is something a team in the hunt is unlikely to want. So being a UFA is better for him and for competitive teams he might want to play for.
- bodiva88


The last point is an excellent point. He has a better chance to sign for a team that he wants to play for, with a much lower Cap hit. Then he does if he waives with the higher Cap hit.
bodiva88
Referee
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: There aren't any answers. Only choices.
Joined: 07.01.2007

Jun 20 @ 6:27 PM ET
Yeah but in that case, the CBO isn't guaranteeing full price of original signed contract and its circumventing the cap now anyways. I guess, why the restrictions on if a player can sign with team that bought him out? Not advocating all contracts eligible to be renegotiated, just don't see the problem with players re-signing with the same team i.e. Briere re-signing here. Why have to wait a year?
- GirouxForTheShow

These amnesty buyouts are severely limited. Other buyouts allow a guy to collect money for time not played and then go on and be payed to play for time they've already been paid for. Advantaging the player financially but the team operationally. If contracts could be renegotiated regularly, that would not be the case. The financial advantage wouldn't always be to the player.
GirouxForTheShow
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Fuck you raff
Joined: 01.04.2009

Jun 20 @ 6:31 PM ET
These amnesty buyouts are severely limited. Other buyouts allow a guy to collect money for time not played and then go on and be payed to play for time they've already been paid for. Advantaging the player financially but the team operationally. If contracts could be renegotiated regularly, that would not be the case. The financial advantage wouldn't always be to the player.
- bodiva88


I get that with regular buyouts. That makes perfect sense. But just for these two CBO's for each team, why restrict it so that they couldn't essentially "re-negotiate" the contract? In the case of Briere, I'm sure he would more than love to get CBO'd and then just renegotiate and play here for the duration of his career.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jun 20 @ 6:33 PM ET
Yeah but in that case, the CBO isn't guaranteeing full price of original signed contract and its circumventing the cap now anyways. I guess, why the restrictions on if a player can sign with team that bought him out? Not advocating all contracts eligible to be renegotiated, just don't see the problem with players re-signing with the same team i.e. Briere re-signing here. Why have to wait a year?
- GirouxForTheShow


Both the League and the NHLPA have agreed to two CBO's to help teams deal with the reduced Cap. There has to be some mechanism for team's to do so.

Let's say the Flyers want to keep Briere, but can't afford the Cap hit of 6.5M. So behind doors, Briere and the Flyers come to an agreement. We'll buy you out, you'll get 2/3rds of the 5M we owe you. Now we'll resign you to a 2 year deal for 5M. So now his cap hit is reduced from 6.5M to 2.5M. And the Flyers keep the player for a reduced hit, and save 4M on the Cap. Briere get's some extra money in his pocket. Everyone is happy, except the NHL.
They're already allowing the Flyers to circumvent by allowing the buyout with no Cap hit. But they don't have much of a choice, because there has to be a mechanism in place to deal with the artificially lowered Upper Limit
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Jun 20 @ 6:34 PM ET
These amnesty buyouts are severely limited. Other buyouts allow a guy to collect money for time not played and then go on and be payed to play for time they've already been paid for. Advantaging the player financially but the team operationally. If contracts could be renegotiated regularly, that would not be the case. The financial advantage wouldn't always be to the player.
- bodiva88


Thats how the NFL works. That's a big reason why it's the best league. The best players are always playing. Minimal guaranteed contracts.
I'll never say anything bad about any nfl player holding out for a contract or anything like that
JAKEw1234
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 2Spookyville, PA
Joined: 03.09.2013

Jun 20 @ 6:35 PM ET
Yeah but in that case, the CBO isn't guaranteeing full price of original signed contract and its circumventing the cap now anyways. I guess, why the restrictions on if a player can sign with team that bought him out? Not advocating all contracts eligible to be renegotiated, just don't see the problem with players re-signing with the same team i.e. Briere re-signing here. Why have to wait a year?
- GirouxForTheShow

So we can't circumvent the cap by buying him out just to restructure his contract.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jun 20 @ 6:35 PM ET
These amnesty buyouts are severely limited. Other buyouts allow a guy to collect money for time not played and then go on and be payed to play for time they've already been paid for. Advantaging the player financially but the team operationally. If contracts could be renegotiated regularly, that would not be the case. The financial advantage wouldn't always be to the player.
- bodiva88




Exactly why the NHLPA won't agree to renegotiation. Players will be forced to take paycuts. That is hallowed ground. If the NHL wanted to take away guaranteed contracts. The NHLPA would counter with fighting the Salary Cap. And we'd still be in a lockout.
flyer_nutter
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Unleash the Peanuts, MB
Joined: 10.16.2008

Jun 20 @ 6:38 PM ET
I'm really going to miss that little guy. On the nights it meant the most, he had the heart of a lion.


Tough last few years for me as a fan. Losing Lappy, Pronger, Briere and soon to be Timonen. All of my favourite players. I would respect Briere if he went to Montreal. All the best of luck, wherever he goes.
GirouxForTheShow
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Fuck you raff
Joined: 01.04.2009

Jun 20 @ 6:39 PM ET
I'm really going to miss that little guy. On the nights it meant the most, he had the heart of a lion.


Tough last few years for me as a fan. Losing Lappy, Pronger, Briere and soon to be Timonen. All of my favourite players.

- flyer_nutter


I won't miss his all around defensive play, but god that fist pump is beautiful. He was a lion when need be. He brought his whole bag of peanuts to be unleashed on a big game day.
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