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stayinthefnnet
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 01.12.2012

Jun 20 @ 1:01 PM ET
Depends what you consider core. We are buying out a top 6 forward and #1 goalie for cap reasons right now.
- youarewrong

yeah, but i dont know. i guess that technically sounds like what would be core pieces, but they dont seem to be to me. its not as if they are producing on the ice and just need to go purely for cap reasons. to me, the core is your group of young guns that you see this team revolving around in the next 3 to 4 years. just because briere is paid like a core guy, and schenn isnt, doesnt change it for me.

not to sound like an Edmonton fan, who i swear lists everyone with a pulse as part of an untouchable core, you guys have Giroux, Coots, Schenn x2, Voracek, and Simmonds as what i would consider in that group. None of them should go for purely financial reasons.
bradleyc4
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the jewelry is still out
Joined: 01.16.2007

Jun 20 @ 1:05 PM ET
It was in another forum by a poster. I just wanted to verify they are crazy.
- youarewrong


Fairly certain that this is hogwash.

Certainly no mention of it in the Buyout section of the CBA.
youarewrong
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 07.07.2010

Jun 20 @ 1:07 PM ET
yeah, but i dont know. i guess that technically sounds like what would be core pieces, but they dont seem to be to me. its not as if they are producing on the ice and just need to go purely for cap reasons. to me, the core is your group of young guns that you see this team revolving around in the next 3 to 4 years. just because briere is paid like a core guy, and schenn isnt, doesnt change it for me.

not to sound like an Edmonton fan, who i swear lists everyone with a pulse as part of an untouchable core, you guys have Giroux, Coots, Schenn x2, Voracek, and Simmonds as what i would consider in that group. None of them should go for purely financial reasons.

- stayinthefnnet


True, but there is more to core then young players. No-one has scored more in the playoffs then Briere. And Bryzgalov is a former Vesina canidate. While they haven't had spectatular last 2 seasons, there is reason to believe they could bounce back, and likely will for another team.

IMO a core extends beyond young future guys. I think the core is what is integral for a team to win. In that way I would say Hartnell and Briere are as much a part of the core as Schenn and Couturier are currently. I would put those guys as "future core" players. While I doubt we lose "Future Core" players due to cap reasons, I can see us having to move current core players. In a few seasons it might become necessary to trade Hartnell much like the did Gagne 3 years ago. Who knows at this point, but yea...
youarewrong
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 07.07.2010

Jun 20 @ 1:08 PM ET
Fairly certain that this is hogwash.

Certainly no mention of it in the Buyout section of the CBA.

- bradleyc4


He reference Piere LeBrun from a few weeks ago. I just asked for a link. Maybe he misunderstood.
bradleyc4
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the jewelry is still out
Joined: 01.16.2007

Jun 20 @ 1:08 PM ET
Briere is officially being bought out.
stayinthefnnet
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 01.12.2012

Jun 20 @ 1:09 PM ET
True, but there is more to core then young players. No-one has scored more in the playoffs then Briere. And Bryzgalov is a former Vesina canidate. While they haven't had spectatular last 2 seasons, there is reason to believe they could bounce back, and likely will for another team.

IMO a core extends beyond young future guys. I think the core is what is integral for a team to win. In that way I would say Hartnell and Briere are as much a part of the core as Schenn and Couturier are currently. I would put those guys as "future core" players. While I doubt we lose "Future Core" players due to cap reasons, I can see us having to move current core players. In a few seasons it might become necessary to trade Hartnell much like the did Gagne 3 years ago. Who knows at this point, but yea...

- youarewrong

makes sense if you look at it that way
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Jun 20 @ 1:12 PM ET
Briere is officially being bought out.
- bradleyc4


He was good on and off the ice for this team. It's the obvious and correct decision to buy him out.

Fair winds and calm seas, Danny B.
JAKEw1234
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 2Spookyville, PA
Joined: 03.09.2013

Jun 20 @ 1:19 PM ET
Briere is officially being bought out.
- bradleyc4

It was talked about so much, and it was a given that it was going to happen, but now that its actually happening...
cmr.266
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 06.07.2013

Jun 20 @ 1:20 PM ET
% chance Gagne is resigned?

I'm going 65%
FlyersGrace
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Pronger "Play the game puffnuts!" , DE
Joined: 07.02.2012

Jun 20 @ 1:21 PM ET
Briere is officially being bought out.
- bradleyc4

Here's the offical link to the site:

http://flyers.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=674673

MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jun 20 @ 1:21 PM ET
True, but there is more to core then young players. No-one has scored more in the playoffs then Briere. And Bryzgalov is a former Vesina canidate. While they haven't had spectatular last 2 seasons, there is reason to believe they could bounce back, and likely will for another team.

IMO a core extends beyond young future guys. I think the core is what is integral for a team to win. In that way I would say Hartnell and Briere are as much a part of the core as Schenn and Couturier are currently. I would put those guys as "future core" players. While I doubt we lose "Future Core" players due to cap reasons, I can see us having to move current core players. In a few seasons it might become necessary to trade Hartnell much like the did Gagne 3 years ago. Who knows at this point, but yea...

- youarewrong



Players who are core players now, are not neccessarily a core player 3 years from now. As we are seeing with Briere. It evolves.
stayinthefnnet
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 01.12.2012

Jun 20 @ 1:28 PM ET
Players who are core players now, are not neccessarily a core player 3 years from now. As we are seeing with Briere. It evolves.
- MJL

the way i am looking at it right now, is say the team was all being let go, except five or so ones of your choice. to me, guys like briere and hartnell, while good players (especially at the moment) dont make that list
mydoglicks
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: downingtown, PA
Joined: 06.25.2009

Jun 20 @ 1:31 PM ET
http://www.lighthousehockey.com/2013/6/20/4443680/philadelphia-flyers-hope-acquire-everybody-nhl-satire
- funmaster18



lol
thanks for the good laugh, hilarious stuff...lots of truth to it
flyerfan28
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CA
Joined: 02.06.2012

Jun 20 @ 1:32 PM ET
Players who are core players now, are not neccessarily a core player 3 years from now. As we are seeing with Briere. It evolves.
- MJL


youarewrong
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 07.07.2010

Jun 20 @ 1:33 PM ET
Players who are core players now, are not neccessarily a core player 3 years from now. As we are seeing with Briere. It evolves.
- MJL


I think I pretty much said as much and also mentioned that core players 3 years from now aren't necessarly core players now.

The way Briere played in the playoff though I would find it hard to say he was not a core player. Also his leadership in the lockeroom. I would say Core isn't just about how many goals you scored.
bradleyc4
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the jewelry is still out
Joined: 01.16.2007

Jun 20 @ 1:33 PM ET

- flyerfan28


sweet "You've Got Mail" gif, bro
vejim
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: FL
Joined: 07.08.2007

Jun 20 @ 1:34 PM ET
Here's the offical link to the site:

http://flyers.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=674673

- FlyersGrace

all the best DB, you little son of a gun
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jun 20 @ 1:37 PM ET
Players who are core players now, are not neccessarily a core player 3 years from now. As we are seeing with Briere. It evolves.
- MJL


Exactly. I think the only "core" guy we've lost due to the cap was Umberger after his crazy Montreal playoff. But yeah, Briere/Hartnell were "core" guys when we acquired them, now they're just (or, were) very good supporting players.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jun 20 @ 1:38 PM ET
I think I pretty much said as much and also mentioned that core players 3 years from now aren't necessarly core players now.

The way Briere played in the playoff though I would find it hard to say he was not a core player. Also his leadership in the lockeroom. I would say Core isn't just about how many goals you scored.

- youarewrong



I guess were on the same page then. To summarize, Briere was a core player. He certainly isn't anymore.
youarewrong
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 07.07.2010

Jun 20 @ 1:39 PM ET

- flyerfan28


Oh this is too funny. I can just picture MJL doing this.
vejim
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: FL
Joined: 07.08.2007

Jun 20 @ 1:39 PM ET
Tony Soprano and Danny Briere
funmaster18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: All I need are some tasty waves, a cool buzz and I'm fine.
Joined: 03.15.2009

Jun 20 @ 1:41 PM ET
the way i am looking at it right now, is say the team was all being let go, except five or so ones of your choice. to me, guys like briere and hartnell, while good players (especially at the moment) dont make that list
- stayinthefnnet


Hartnell is frustrating. He brings a lot of intangibles that are great and can even add some offense when he's on top of his game, but he's also prone to streaks of poor play and bone headed decisions.

Getting him on fire with jake and g would be a a huge plus for next year, so hopefully he can get back to his form from 2 years ago.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jun 20 @ 1:46 PM ET
Hartnell is frustrating. He brings a lot of intangibles that are great and can even add some offense when he's on top of his game, but he's also prone to streaks of poor play and bone headed decisions.

Getting him on fire with jake and g would be a a huge plus for next year, so hopefully he can get back to his form from 2 years ago.

- funmaster18


He played well at the end of last year when he finally got healthy. One can only hope that carries over.
Jimmygrazz
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 04.23.2010

Jun 20 @ 1:46 PM ET
Here's the offical link to the site:

http://flyers.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=674673

- FlyersGrace


Any reason Homer didn't wait until it can be official?
Trainfellow
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Buffalo, NY
Joined: 06.23.2012

Jun 20 @ 1:51 PM ET
Any reason Homer didn't wait until it can be official?
- Jimmygrazz



Seems like everyone knows whats inevitable, best at this point to be straight about it. Would think its just out of respect
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