Colorado COULD BE a very attractive market. They have a good young history of sorts. They have a nice core with Landeskog, Duchesne, ROR, Parenteau, McGinn, Mitchell, maybe Johnson if he gets his head out of his ass. That said, after playing XXX years in Pittsburgh, I find it hard to believe Letang would resign with an organization that is one of the worst three in the NHL and will need four or five years before they challenge for the prize.
- Oneonta Penguin

i really dont think the pens end up with the number one from them at all, but if they do, im pretty sure i go mackinnon all the way and then figure it out from there, unless they can in turn move it for a good package. even if there isnt a spot for him on this team, if he does become a stamkos, you should be able to move him for a pretty penny.

Do you really think Letang improves defensively under this system?
- Oneonta Penguin

Yes but I think of this team wants to make significant strides defensively a coaching change is necessary.

No, he isn't an AHL Dman. However, someone needs to get through his head that he isn't a forward. He plays hockey more so as a forward than a Dman. Sorry, people blast MAF for his two consecutive poopty play-off years, but you seem to give Letang a pass on his. He was terrible last year versus Philly and was bad this year.
- Oneonta Penguin

Amazingly Vokoun was MUCH better than Flower. We weren't good on D, at all, but Fleury had/has big problems.

Letang was always a good all around defenseman, since his young days....perhaps coaching is asking him to do too much at times (join all rushes, too much stretch passes etc.).... always tinkering the lineup.

I bet if Despres/Letang had played together the whole year, he'd be better defensively.

It falls on the coaching too.

Yes but I think of this team wants to make significant strides defensively a coaching change is necessary.
- Genev21

Here is the interesting thing. Shero basically said changes are coming or were coming after being eliminated. Bylsma is back; Fleury is back; Malkin signs an extension, so that leaves who as the change? I don't count Morrow, Murray and Iggy leaving as change. I don't count not resigning Kennedy or Jeffrey as change.

The change has to be Letang. If he resigns ... this is basically the same team that tanked against Boston.

Amazingly Vokoun was MUCH better than Flower. We weren't good on D, at all, but Fleury had/has big problems.

Letang was always a good all around defenseman, since his young days....perhaps coaching is asking him to do too much at times (join all rushes, too much stretch passes etc.).... always tinkering the lineup.

I bet if Despres/Letang had played together the whole year, he'd be better defensively.

It falls on the coaching too.
- Orpik44

There's little doubt in my mind that many of Letangs problems are a direct result of Bylsma's system. The reason I won't be all that upset if Letang moves on is because we're apparently stuck with Disco for the foreseeable future.

i really dont think the pens end up with the number one from them at all, but if they do, im pretty sure i go mackinnon all the way and then figure it out from there, unless they can in turn move it for a good package. even if there isnt a spot for him on this team, if he does become a stamkos, you should be able to move him for a pretty penny.
- stayinthefnnet

Agree to disagree here. I think Jones is the best D prospect to come around for a while. I'm a firm believer that Colorado should go D instead of O. It has enough weapons, albeit not tons, to score. It's best Dman is Erik Johnson and he has been a major major disappointment. Add in the fact they have nothing on the farm to help ... that is why I go with Jones.

Amazingly Vokoun was MUCH better than Flower. We weren't good on D, at all, but Fleury had/has big problems.

Letang was always a good all around defenseman, since his young days....perhaps coaching is asking him to do too much at times (join all rushes, too much stretch passes etc.).... always tinkering the lineup.

I bet if Despres/Letang had played together the whole year, he'd be better defensively.

It falls on the coaching too.
- Orpik44

i dont know why, but for some reason i just think that it is just as much a personal choice by letang as one by the coaching staff.

Agree to disagree here. I think Jones is the best D prospect to come around for a while. I'm a firm believer that Colorado should go D instead of O. It has enough weapons, albeit not tons, to score. It's best Dman is Erik Johnson and he has been a major major disappointment. Add in the fact they have nothing on the farm to help ... that is why I go with Jones.
- Oneonta Penguin

from a strictly colorado standpoint, i am much more willing to understand the jones logic, as their extreme disparity between forwards and defensemen kind of overrides my typical inclination to take a center first and foremost.

for just about any other team's situation though, if you believe the hype on mckinnon, i would have a hard time leaving him there. if im building a team from the ground up, i take a shot at crosby over a shot at weber every time

There's little doubt in my mind that many of Letangs problems are a direct result of Bylsma's system. The reason I won't be all that upset if Letang moves on is because we're apparently stuck with Disco for the foreseeable future.
- madmike71

I feel you. if he's traded, life goes on. Bylsma's system is mind boggling at times.

Here is the interesting thing. Shero basically said changes are coming or were coming after being eliminated. Bylsma is back; Fleury is back; Malkin signs an extension, so that leaves who as the change? I don't count Morrow, Murray and Iggy leaving as change. I don't count not resigning Kennedy or Jeffrey as change.

The change has to be Letang. If he resigns ... this is basically the same team that tanked against Boston.
- Oneonta Penguin

That's exactly what I thought about when he announced bylsma back and bylsma announced fleury the starter. I knew malkin would be back because you dot trade players of that caliber. I just don't see the ability to make any major moves besides letang and it sounds like he really wants to keep him. I think the way this team is organized is see if you can win the cup with a group and then if you lose you will just have to try again with almost the same group.

Agree to disagree here. I think Jones is the best D prospect to come around for a while. I'm a firm believer that Colorado should go D instead of O. It has enough weapons, albeit not tons, to score. It's best Dman is Erik Johnson and he has been a major major disappointment. Add in the fact they have nothing on the farm to help ... that is why I go with Jones.
- Oneonta Penguin

Meet Popeye Jones (Seth's father):

Fat......genes....


Seth Jones: the next Byfuglien.


I'd take MacKinnon. He's the best in this year's draft, hands down.

from a strictly colorado standpoint, i am much more willing to understand the jones logic, as their extreme disparity between forwards and defensemen kind of overrides my typical inclination to take a center first and foremost.

for just about any other team's situation though, if you believe the hype on mckinnon, i would have a hard time leaving him there. if im building a team from the ground up, i take a shot at crosby over a shot at weber every time
- stayinthefnnet

Have no problem with that thought process.

Looking at the teams IMO, if the following teams had the number one pick, these would have a bigger need for Jones over the forward ... Carolina, Colorado, Dallas, Detroit, Edmonton, Islanders, LA, Philly, San Jose, TB, Toronto, Washington.

Could go either way - Buffalo, Calgary, Columbus, Montreal, Ottawa

The rest go forward

Meet Popeye Jones (Seth's father):

Fat......genes....


Seth Jones: the next Byfuglien.


I'd take MacKinnon. He's the best in this year's draft, hands down.
- Orpik44

I'm a big Popeye fan.

Jones isn't a forward playing D, like Buff. Bad comparison. Are you saying this because of his color? I don't see a comparison to tell you the truth.

Hands down? LOL.

I'm a big Popeye fan.

Jones isn't a forward playing D, like Buff. Bad comparison. Are you saying this because of his color? I don't see a comparison to tell you the truth.

Hands down? LOL.
- Oneonta Penguin

haha


Seth in the future.

I just think MacKinnon is the real deal here. He'll be a Stamkos light. He'd look real good on Sid's wing.

Have no problem with that thought process.

Looking at the teams IMO, if the following teams had the number one pick, these would have a bigger need for Jones over the forward ... Carolina, Colorado, Dallas, Detroit, Edmonton, Islanders, LA, Philly, San Jose, TB, Toronto, Washington.

Could go either way - Buffalo, Calgary, Columbus, Montreal, Ottawa

The rest go forward
- Oneonta Penguin

for me personally, id still go mackinnon for a lot of the teams on that list. like i said, it all hinges on if you think he is going to deliver as advertised. if you have doubts, then by all means, you take jones and reshuffle from there.

edmonton and philly are the two obvious ones for jones. possibly the isles since they have JT, and the canes have their wagons hitched to the staals.

for most of the others, i think the chance at a franchise center would be too great to pass up, regardless of the current roster makeup. id take him an then rearrange accordingly

And to think a lot of people drinks beer out of the cup lol

haha


Seth in the future.

I just think MacKinnon is the real deal here. He'll be a Stamkos light. He'd look real good on Sid's wing.
- Orpik44

He may be fat but I'd still take him on my team.

That's exactly what I thought about when he announced bylsma back and bylsma announced fleury the starter. I knew malkin would be back because you dot trade players of that caliber. I just don't see the ability to make any major moves besides letang and it sounds like he really wants to keep him. I think the way this team is organized is see if you can win the cup with a group and then if you lose you will just have to try again with almost the same group.
- Genev21

I have to say, since Shero announced the return of Bylsma, my enthusiasm for this team has waned. I don't see how the results will be different with a similar roster and the same coach.

People are discouraged by the Boston series where I think the Isle series was significantly worse. The Isle has a few decent players, but that certainly isn't a great team by any stretch. They outplayed the Pens in 4 of 6 and if they had any semblance of a tender, the Pens get disgraced again.

The trap is Disco's kryptonite.

haha


Seth in the future.

I just think MacKinnon is the real deal here. He'll be a Stamkos light. He'd look real good on Sid's wing.
- Orpik44

how confident are we that MacKinnon can play wing? its not always a seamless transition for everyone, regardless of talent level.

in this hypothetical, i was speculating on taking him in order to peddle him for a team looking for a franchise center for a mammoth return, since the pens are obviously set at center. if he could be a young winger, with his raw talent, hed probably be worth keeping

He may be fat but I'd still take him on my team.
- Genev21

The guys is HUGE...

What a shift by the Bruins...

The guys is HUGE...

- Orpik44

Everybody agrees the pens need a big d-man

how confident are we that MacKinnon can play wing? its not always a seamless transition for everyone, regardless of talent level.

in this hypothetical, i was speculating on taking him in order to peddle him for a team looking for a franchise center for a mammoth return, since the pens are obviously set at center. if he could be a young winger, with his raw talent, hed probably be worth keeping
- stayinthefnnet

From HBoards:
He didn't play wing very often. He looked fine there, a lot of speed up the wing, still active in the defensive-zone. He would do a lot of criss-crossing with the centreman on the rush in order to gain the middle entering the zone. He's definitely comfortable there but not as comfortable as he is up the middle.
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I don't recall him ever playing wing for the mooseheads. The only time I can remember is game 1 of the subway series and then world juniors.

Everybody agrees the pens need a big d-man
- Genev21

Hope we have enough space on this roster for him.

haha


Seth in the future.

I just think MacKinnon is the real deal here. He'll be a Stamkos light. He'd look real good on Sid's wing.
- Orpik44

Why even discuss it. We aren't getting the top overall pick or even the second.