Thats unfortunate.What about a couple prospects instead?
- Jeropotato

prv and that acobello guy

(frank)ing laughs

if you guys think youre getting gardner for just the 7th youre (frank)ed. 7th plus prv would do it
- ManchuWok

I don't see how Gardiner gets that much.

Does NJ who lacks d even give their 9th?

if you guys think youre getting gardner for just the 7th youre (frank)ed. 7th plus prv would do it
- ManchuWok

6 months ago leafs fans would've dealt him for a water bottle. Now he's worth a top 5 pick. Yikers. Gardiner will likely top out as a #3D. Those aren't more valuable than 1Cs like Monahan and Lindholm.

prv and that acobello guy
- ManchuWok

I was thinking the 7th and a prospect or 2.
7th,Musil and Arco?

I was thinking the 7th and a prospect or 2.
7th,Musil and Arco?
- Jeropotato

7th for Gardiner + some

7th for Gardiner + some
- TheNugeIsHuge

lol, sure,but TO will tell you to eat a richard.

No kidding.If you look back on the late 90's teams,led offensively by Weight,Guerin,Smyth etc, the team worked hard,didn't score a tonne of goals, but hit everything that moved and were very tough to play against. The bottom 6 were loaded with smart,fast hitters (variations of Moreau/Marchant/Grier & Dowd/Devereux/Laraque- with a smattering of similar players rotating around the line up). There was no 2nd line whatsoever, just miscast bottom 6'ers doing their best to help out the few weopons we had (Guys like Rem Murray,Dan Cleary come to mind).
The Defence was always a 3 headed monster it seemed as well, once Hamrlik,Mironov and Ninnimaa were established, and as we lost one,there was always someone coming in to replace (Brewer/Smith).
My point in all of this is the very elements we lacked back in those days (High end offensive talent) is our only abundance today, and the 90's seems like an embarrassment of riches in the bottom 6 and on D today.
People say the bottom six will be easy to get, but Sather worked very hard,for a very long time to put those grinders together. Are we going to find a young Moreau,Marchant and Grier in free agency?Nope. Sather had to trade MacTavish, Mironov and Grier was part of a package that cost us two first round picks.

After all this Malarkey, I guess I just feel that we know what we have in Horcoff (a decent 3rd line C), and now we go into the draft and free agency with a very big hole to fill.
- Jeropotato

Very well written post... I agree...

(frank)ing laughs


- Lahey

(frank) you have time on your hands

7th for Gardiner + some
- TheNugeIsHuge

I would rather a player or prospect and 2014 1st rd pick for Gardiner...

(frank) you have time on your hands
- saskoil21

I follow a bunch of whores on twitter, one posted this.

One also posted this

6 months ago leafs fans would've dealt him for a water bottle. Now he's worth a top 5 pick. Yikers. Gardiner will likely top out as a #3D. Those aren't more valuable than 1Cs like Monahan and Lindholm.
- TheNugeIsHuge

Absolutely untrue. No one ever wanted him traded for a water bottle (unless it were Oiler fans that wanted to give up just a water bottle). ESPECIALLY 6 months ago. That was before the season even started, and he was the next Lidstrom to some Leaf fans. Even mid-season, when he was in the AHL, most were pissed, and that was mostly because they felt he should be with the team, and the only reason he was kept down was contractual (and that pissed people off).

That said, Gardiner for a 7th overall and PRV isn't realistic. I'd say the 7th or 9th straight up is probably more realistic, in terms of value. He's not worth one of those top 5 elite guys. The guys outside that group, seems pretty close in terms of value to me. That said, the Leafs probably wouldn't entertain the idea of trading him, and shifting back a few years in terms of development. Because that's really what it would be. Trading in a young guy, for a very young guy (with pretty similar upside), really just moves them back on the development time period a few years. It's not like trading a player because you're losing him, or going for a youth movement. He's a kid as it is.

I would rather a player or prospect and 2014 1st rd pick for Gardiner...
- saskoil21

2014 and PRV might make more sense (than mentioned above), as it likely won't be as high as 7th, in a probably a weaker draft.

One also posted this


- Lahey

whats their handles??? I try to keep my twitter realtively clean- thats the one thing about twitter that I like you can check people out without requesting them to add you... unless they (frank)ing protect their accounts

I really want the cup final to be over already- as entertaining as it is... I want to see what the (frank) MacT has up his sleeve or supposively already completed...

if you guys think youre getting gardner for just the 7th youre (frank)ed. 7th plus prv would do it
- ManchuWok

lolzzzzzz

Absolutely untrue. No one ever wanted him traded for a water bottle (unless it were Oiler fans that wanted to give up just a water bottle). ESPECIALLY 6 months ago. That was before the season even started, and he was the next Lidstrom to some Leaf fans. Even mid-season, when he was in the AHL, most were pissed, and that was mostly because they felt he should be with the team, and the only reason he was kept down was contractual (and that pissed people off).

That said, Gardiner for a 7th overall and PRV isn't realistic. I'd say the 7th or 9th straight up is probably more realistic, in terms of value. He's not worth one of those top 5 elite guys. The guys outside that group, seems pretty close in terms of value to me. That said, the Leafs probably wouldn't entertain the idea of trading him, and shifting back a few years in terms of development. Because that's really what it would be. Trading in a young guy, for a very young guy (with pretty similar upside), really just moves them back on the development time period a few years. It's not like trading a player because you're losing him, or going for a youth movement. He's a kid as it is.
- Dirte

TO definitely shouldn't trade Gardiner, not because of development, because of their defensive depth. Worst defence of any playoff team.

Elias Lindholm had an NHLE of 40 points this year. He's absloutely fall to 7, and he'll absolutely develop in to a stud 1C. What TO needs.

TO definitely shouldn't trade Gardiner, not because of development, because of their defensive depth. Worst defence of any playoff team.

Elias Lindholm had an NHLE of 40 points this year. He's absloutely fall to 7, and he'll absolutely develop in to a stud 1C. What TO needs.
- TheNugeIsHuge

I don't know what you're talking about.

The Leafs D is better than Boston's.

I don't know what you're talking about.

The Leafs D is better than Boston's.
- Dirte

thanks steinley

thanks steinley
- TheNugeIsHuge

Actually, several analysts commented that they liked the Leafs depth on D in the playoffs though. It's really the top end that's more of an issue.

whats their handles??? I try to keep my twitter realtively clean- thats the one thing about twitter that I like you can check people out without requesting them to add you... unless they (frank)ing protect their accounts
- saskoil21

https://twitter.com/ZOO

Follow those guys and the re-tweet whores all day. Most are actually UK glamour models.

I really want the cup final to be over already- as entertaining as it is... I want to see what the (frank) MacT has up his sleeve or supposively already completed...
- saskoil21

No poop. I still have some faith that MacT has a deal in place to move Hemmer and Horc. I can almost garauntee neither will be bought out. Here's my Guesses:
Horcoff: Detroit,Florida,Dallas,Anaheim or Toronto

Hemsky: Florida,Ottawa,Columbus,NYI or Nashville.

Returns? 3rd rounders, Over paid bottom 6 D, Bottom 6 forwards.

No poop. I still have some faith that MacT has a deal in place to move Hemmer and Horc. I can almost garauntee neither will be bought out. Here's my Guesses:
Horcoff: Detroit,Florida,Dallas,Anaheim or Toronto

Hemsky: Florida,Ottawa,Columbus,NYI or Nashville.

Returns? 3rd rounders, Over paid bottom 6 D, Bottom 6 forwards.
- Jeropotato

I have to wonder with the two day delay if some action happens.

Not just us, there was lots of rumblings of guys doing a lot of talking yesterday after the meetings.

No poop. I still have some faith that MacT has a deal in place to move Hemmer and Horc. I can almost garauntee neither will be bought out. Here's my Guesses:
Horcoff: Detroit,Florida,Dallas,Anaheim or Toronto

Hemsky: Florida,Ottawa,Columbus,NYI or Nashville.

Returns? 3rd rounders, Over paid bottom 6 D, Bottom 6 forwards.
- Jeropotato

If the Leafs can't re-sign Bozak, can't find another centre, I can see Komisarek for Horcoff.

Both are problem contracts, but the other team would each have more of a use for those problems than the other. that said, three years left for Horcoff, one for Komi. Might take a sweetener.