I'm sure they've run the numbers for at least 5 years out.

Their conclusions may change by the week, however.
- bradleyc4

The rabid fan in me loves that they will shake things up though. So I'm speaking out of both sides of my mouth.

It would be nice but I see it as a distant (pull out your telescope) hope...

On a side note anyone else hoping to see how Alt does in the AHL this year? I'm kinda hoping we see him in some pre-season games.
- FlyersGrace

I'm kind of upset Gostisbere is returning to College. I want to see what he has in the Pros.

i know enough that instinct tells me that timp and seravali where stirring the pot yesterday for attention and nothing they ever said becomes true....its funny how out of all the teams the flyers are the only team in the headlines for all these crazy a$$ rumors
- mydoglicks

The Flyers and Toronto, though with Howard Berger out of the mix Ontario isn't as nuts as it used to be.

All the beat writers are hearing the same things ours just tend to put them out there unfiltered.

I'm kind of upset Gostisbere is returning to College. I want to see what he has in the Pros.
- youarewrong

I want to see him develop properly.

It is a high risk, high reward situation. If you trade a roster player (Maybe 2) you get some cap relief at the same time. You will have him under your control for a few years at a low cap hit.
- Jimmygrazz

High risk, high reward, wure but I think staying at a 11 eliminates a lot of the risk and they could still get a prospect that could be yield a high reward.

I would be willing to do this as well. If you do, then I definately think Couturier would be traded for a top defender. I can completely see the following happen, but I'm not predicting it.

11th overall + Coburn + Cousins for 5th overall. Nichushkin or Barkov.

Couturier + Meszaros for Shattenkirk.

Sign 2nd line center.
- youarewrong

I'm not sure these trades will be enough. Maybe the first but the second isn't enough for Shattenkirk, IMO. Other teams could offer a better deal to STL.

I'm kind of upset Gostisbere is returning to College. I want to see what he has in the Pros.
- youarewrong

He's not ready, give him another year or two.

Indeed it is.
Blue lasers, red lasers. No death, no blood. Strange sailors, ninjas and redheads...
Those were the days...
- FlyersGrace

Back when war included little more than abductions and ill conceived weather machines... those were the days.

Hi Bill,

Quick question. Anyone else please chime in as well. Are you comfortable with Schenn or Couturier being the second line center? Do you think there is a chance the Flyers target someone like Ribiero or Weiss to make the current depth stronger and move Schenn to LW?
- youarewrong

I think Brayden Schenn looks much better as a center but if this makes sense, he had better production as a winger his rookie season.

Schenn-Briere-Simmonds (Rookie season)
Briere-Schenn-Simmonds (Second season)

Sometimes the little things matter. We all know Briere is a much better center then he is a winger but it might be important to Schenn development to keep him in his natural position at center

Back when war included little more than abductions and ill conceived weather machines... those were the days.
- BulliesPhan87

And you knew who you were then,
Girls were girls and men were men.

the flyers plan based on plyrs they want at a given time, not on a cogent, durable strategy or philosophy.
- isaiah520

That is every team's plan. They go after the player they want at a given time. Whether it's choosing who to draft, who to trade for. Or who to sign as a Free Agent. And it's based on the needs of the team.

And you knew who you were then,
Girls were girls and men were men.
- mayorofangrytown

Mister, we could use a man like Bobby Ryab again

I'm kind of upset Gostisbere is returning to College. I want to see what he has in the Pros.
- youarewrong

For once it will be nice to see them actually let a defensive prospect develop.
And I'm sure the Flyers would love him in the AHL as well but he's too young correct?

Bill (and everyone else);

1) Is it reasonably expected that the cap will rise sufficiently for 14-15 to cover the increases needed to extend current roster players they see as long term (Giroux, primarily) components;

2) Are there any $6M men out there for 14-15, offense or defense, that would be a wash with Timonen's salary going away (assumes he doesn't decide to wait another year to retire);


The Flyers should consider trading Couturier. The two variables are what you are getting back and where you see Laughton's development. What you get may more than compensate for any differential in upside Coots would provide over Laughton.

For sh--s and giggles, say you could trade Coots, Coburn and #11 to either Col/Fla for their pick (in order to get Jones) and their 2014 #1, Then you sign Zubrus. Not likely to happen but what IF that was the return? Would you do it?

For once it will be nice to see them actually let a defensive prospect develop.
And I'm sure the Flyers would love him in the AHL as well but he's too young correct?
- FlyersGrace

Develop into a nice trade chip.

I'm kind of upset Gostisbere is returning to College. I want to see what he has in the Pros.
- youarewrong

Eh, I don't think there's any need to rush him.

Bill (and everyone else);

1) Is it reasonably expected that the cap will rise sufficiently for 14-15 to cover the increases needed to extend current roster players they see as long term (Giroux, primarily) components;

2) Are there any $6M men out there for 14-15, offense or defense, that would be a wash with Timonen's salary going away (assumes he doesn't decide to wait another year to retire);


The Flyers should consider trading Couturier. The two variables are what you are getting back and where you see Laughton's development. What you get may more than compensate for any differential in upside Coots would provide over Laughton.

For sh--s and giggles, say you could trade Coots, Coburn and #11 to either Col/Fla for their pick (in order to get Jones) and their 2014 #1, Then you sign Zubrus. Not likely to happen but what IF that was the return? Would you do it?
- GeorgeBailey

Neither team would give up this and next years #1.

And you knew who you were then,
Girls were girls and men were men.
- mayorofangrytown

Like this guy?


Bare midriff, makeup/mask and lady gloves ftw.

(and raise your hand if you knew that was a hood and not his hair)

Ironic thing is that Read actually has less of a pro track record than Bernier by a long shot. And... there's no shortage of NHL forwards that started their careers with a bang but faded into obscurity, so it's not like Read's a sure thing moving forward either.

Read's trade value might never be higher, while there's still some perceived upside there.
- Tomahawk

Just as there is no shortage of NHL Goaltenders who were thought to be the next best thing, that never got there. Read is legit. I don't know that Bernier is. And I don't see how any other fan knows that he is either.

Like this guy?


Bare midriff, makeup/mask and lady gloves ftw.

(and raise your hand if you knew that was a hood and not his hair)
- Tomahawk

My favorite part is him licking his lips or whatever he's doing with his mouth in this pick, truly makes it...

I'm perfectly fine with Schenn being the second line Center and Couturier centering the third line.

I should be GM.

CAPGEEK.COM USER GENERATED ROSTER
My Custom Lineup
FORWARDS
Scott Hartnell ($4.750m) / Claude Giroux ($3.750m) / Bobby Ryan ($5.100m)
Wayne Simmonds ($3.975m) / Brayden Schenn ($3.110m) / Jakub Voracek ($4.250m)
Simon Gagne ($2.000m) / Sean Couturier ($1.375m) / Mason Raymond ($3.100m)
Scott Laughton ($1.107m) / Maxime Talbot ($1.750m) / Zac Rinaldo ($0.750m)
Tye McGinn ($0.775m) / Jason Akeson ($0.900m) /
Jay Rosehill ($0.675m) /
DEFENSEMEN
Luke Schenn ($3.600m) / Mark Streit ($5.250m)
Kimmo Timonen ($6.000m) / Andrej Meszaros ($4.000m)
Nicklas Grossmann ($3.500m) / Erik Gustafsson ($1.000m)
Marc-Andre Bourdon ($0.613m) / Bruno Gervais ($0.825m)
GOALTENDERS
Jonathan Bernier ($2.750m)
Steve Mason ($1.500m)
OTHER
Buyout: Oskars Bartulis ($0.100m)
Buyout: Ilya Bryzgalov ($0.000m)
Buyout: Danny Briere ($0.000m)
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled with the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $66,054,167; BONUSES: $2,960,000
CAP SPACE (25-man roster): $805,833
- flyersfan51

Scott Hartnell ($4.750m) / Claude Giroux ($3.750m) / Jakub Voracek ($4.250m)
Wayne Simmonds ($3.975m) / Brayden Schenn ($3.110m) / Valeri Nichushkin ($1.300m)
Zac Rinaldo ($0.750m) / Sean Couturier ($1.375m) / Simon Gagne ($3.500m)
Scott Laughton ($1.107m) / Maxime Talbot ($1.750m) / Tye McGinn ($0.775m)
Jay Rosehill ($0.675m) /
DEFENSEMEN
Kimmo Timonen ($6.000m) / Mark Streit ($5.250m)
Luke Schenn ($3.600m) / Braydon Coburn ($4.500m)
Andrej Meszaros ($4.000m) / Nicklas Grossmann ($3.500m)
Erik Gustafsson ($1.100m) / Bruno Gervais ($0.825m)
Marc-Andre Bourdon ($0.613m) /
GOALTENDERS
Steve Mason ($1.500m)
Ray Emery ($1.500m)

CAP SPACE (24-man roster): $3,545,833

Neither team would give up this and next years #1.
- jak521

Granted.

How about their 2013 #2 and 2014 #2, then?

Develop into a nice trade chip.
- bradleyc4

With your beautiful and growing family I'd think there'd be more rainbows, sunshine and flowers coming from your direction but, man, you're the voice of doom these days.

With your beautiful and growing family I'd think there'd be more rainbows, sunshine and flowers coming from your direction but, man, you're the voice of doom these days.
- mayorofangrytown

he's a real gloomy gus

With your beautiful and growing family I'd think there'd be more rainbows, sunshine and flowers coming from your direction but, man, you're the voice of doom these days.
- mayorofangrytown

Meh, it was more sarcastic than anything else.