I don't see a need to hyperfocus on Bernier. A mid-tier veteran such as Jaroslav Halak may be available in trade at a reasonable cost. Anaheim has Viktor Fasth and former NHL All-Star Game selection Jonas Hiller at the NHL level, so they have no need to rush John Gibson. The Ducks may not want to deal Gibson, but perhaps Hiller (an unrestricted agent next summer with a current $4.5 million cap hit) could be available. Meanwhile, the unrestricted free agent goalie market this summer could very quickly turn into a good buyer's market for teams that are patient.

How about the Flyers, for once, deciding to be a team that shows some patience in the market? They don't HAVE to rush in and trade for Bernier at an excessive cost. Keep lots of options open, because there's a lot of potentially viable alternatives out there.

Exactly

But seriously, do you really think you'll get B.Ryan AND Hiller (a established goaltender) for only Read and Meszaros? That's absurd Read is not worth Bernier either.
- Orpik44

Bernier's value is totally speculative. He has a very limited body of work, having played a total of 62 NHL games. By way of comparison, that is 1158 fewer games than Martin Brodeur.

But seriously, do you really think you'll get B.Ryan AND Hiller (a established goaltender) for only Read and Meszaros? That's absurd Read is not worth Bernier either.
- Orpik44

actually read is worth bernier depending on the stage of the offer cycle. if teams call lombardi's bluff, matt read could end up looking like salvation. bernier is still an unproven commodity and read is an excellent value as a plyr/cap hit.

I honestly think we also hold pat on Bernier, seeing as the following goalies are on the move this summer could like Bill said make it a buyers market:

Bryz (Possible)
Bernier
Luongo
Miller
Hiller (possibly)
Thomas
Emery

Thats the ones I can think of off the top of my head...and how many jobs are to be had next year?

actually read is worth bernier depending on the stage of the offer cycle. if teams call lombardi's bluff, matt read could end up looking like salvation. bernier is still an unproven commodity and read is an excellent value as a plyr/cap hit.
- isaiah520

Exactly. Like I said. He is way undervaluing Read. I like Read's game more than JVR's and by comparison, JVR had better numbers then Ryan last year. Read gets a bad rap because he is only 2 seasons in. But he is more mature than most 2nd year nhlers. See B. Schenn.

actually read is worth bernier depending on the stage of the offer cycle. if teams call lombardi's bluff, matt read could end up looking like salvation. bernier is still an unproven commodity and read is an excellent value as a plyr/cap hit.
- isaiah520

I hope we get bernier for read. fair trade and despite the limited nhl record the guy is talented - just watch him for a game. would love to see us win a cup with all of the players LA groomed for us... Schenn, Simmonds, Bernier... kinda like retribution for sending richie, carts, and williams to them for a cup.

So it looks like the Avs are set on taking Mackinnon or Drouin. I want no part of trading the #11 pick at this point. Bernier and Ryan will cost too much for what they may bring. Small trade and maybe sign another UFA dman, but I don't want them gutting this team. Patience.
- Hextall271

We'll see. It's probably just a ploy to get Florida to swap picks with them.

Tommy Trapmann. Traps..
You killed me..
- Ondrej F

I think we can all agree Bill was referring to Ken Hitchcock there....

As least the way I see it, the team has bigger holes than lacking a winger such as Bobby Ryan.

I don't think the Flyers NEED Bobby Ryan. It'd be nice to have Bobby Ryan. Depends on the asking price. I don't want the 11th pick of the draft to be part of that price. I'd much prefer they make that pick.

In my opinion, the organization is better off right now stockpiling assets and building system depth at all level, not depleting from it for quick fixes.

This sentiment probably best sums up my opinion of the Flyers. The Flyers are not a piece or two away from being in the Eastern Conference Finals. They are multiple pieces away.

No harm in laying low and collecting assets, and perhaps, getting lucky on some guys developing faster than you think.

I honestly think we also hold pat on Bernier, seeing as the following goalies are on the move this summer could like Bill said make it a buyers market:

Bryz (Possible)
Bernier
Luongo
Miller
Hiller (possibly)
Thomas
Emery

Thats the ones I can think of off the top of my head...and how many jobs are to be had next year?
- Pyzik

Anaheim would be wise to hold on to hiller until the trade deadline. Anaheims can get by, their combined goalie salary isn't too bad

I would prob pull the trigger on read for bernier.

If not, lay in the weeds for once

But seriously, do you really think you'll get B.Ryan AND Hiller (a established goaltender) for only Read and Meszaros? That's absurd Read is not worth Bernier either.
- Orpik44

You're right.

I don't want to trade Read for a backup goaltender.

I don't see a need to hyperfocus on Bernier. A mid-tier veteran such as Jaroslav Halak may be available in trade at a reasonable cost. Anaheim has Viktor Fasth and former NHL All-Star Game selection Jonas Hiller at the NHL level, so they have no need to rush John Gibson. The Ducks may not want to deal Gibson, but perhaps Hiller (an unrestricted agent next summer with a current $4.5 million cap hit) could be available. Meanwhile, the unrestricted free agent goalie market this summer could very quickly turn into a good buyer's market for teams that are patient.

How about the Flyers, for once, deciding to be a team that shows some patience in the market? They don't HAVE to rush in and trade for Bernier at an excessive cost. Keep lots of options open, because there's a lot of potentially viable alternatives out there.

Exactly
- isaiah520

Agreed in principle, although I thought the buyout period end 7/4. So if they go FA they would have to use tge buyout before shopping, pretty risky.

I don't see a need to hyperfocus on Bernier. A mid-tier veteran such as Jaroslav Halak may be available in trade at a reasonable cost. Anaheim has Viktor Fasth and former NHL All-Star Game selection Jonas Hiller at the NHL level, so they have no need to rush John Gibson. The Ducks may not want to deal Gibson, but perhaps Hiller (an unrestricted agent next summer with a current $4.5 million cap hit) could be available. Meanwhile, the unrestricted free agent goalie market this summer could very quickly turn into a good buyer's market for teams that are patient.

How about the Flyers, for once, deciding to be a team that shows some patience in the market? They don't HAVE to rush in and trade for Bernier at an excessive cost. Keep lots of options open, because there's a lot of potentially viable alternatives out there.

Exactly
- isaiah520

It would seem that maybe the Flyers management's (as well as the fans) eyes become bigger then their stomachs every time a big name player could be had in a deal. A Mark Streit signing is just around the corner, I don't get it. The rumours of Bernier being traded here I get even less. It's funny because the Bobby Ryan Rumours actually make the most sense to me. I'm not saying he's the guy we have to get but my view is this. The best thing that could have happened to James Neal is being traded to the Penguins. That places him next to a legit center in Malkin, which puts him over the 40 goal mark and finally makes his career. That can happen with Bobby Ryan here and he's a player of possible need. On the other hand, we need puck movers but we dove head first into acquiring the rights to a player who in my opinion is just OK. He isn't a number one, which we need more then anything else. Then there is so much talk of Mason being our number one goaltender a week ago but then this week we're linked to Johnathon Bernier and it's like, "Steve Mason who?"

I really think we're taking our eyes off the prize. We're easily side tracked like a dog barking at a cat but easily forgets the cat the moment someone waves a bone in it's face and tosses it in the opposite direction.

So it looks like the Avs are set on taking Mackinnon or Drouin. I want no part of trading the #11 pick at this point. Bernier and Ryan will cost too much for what they may bring. Small trade and maybe sign another UFA dman, but I don't want them gutting this team. Patience.
- Hextall271

I believe if the flyers made that move they would make another move to get up into the top 5

I honestly think we also hold pat on Bernier, seeing as the following goalies are on the move this summer could like Bill said make it a buyers market:

Bryz (Possible)
Bernier
Luongo
Miller
Hiller (possibly)
Thomas
Emery

Thats the ones I can think of off the top of my head...and how many jobs are to be had next year?
- Pyzik

The Bernier possibility does not intrigue me as much as getting Luongo as a Ufa I'd be all over that personally. What do you all think the possibility is of them buying him out? I know they are pushing for a trade but sounds like there are no real takers.

The Bernier possibility does not intrigue me as much as getting Luongo as a Ufa I'd be all over that personally. What do you all think the possibility is of them buying him out? I know they are pushing for a trade but sounds like there are no real takers.
- Hextall271

Bobby Lou would cost an arm and a leg to trade for....and he will want top dollar from the next team....idk why anyone would trade for him when the Canucks are in cap trouble and will need to buy him out regardless.

Agreed in principle, although I thought the buyout period end 7/4. So if they go FA they would have to use tge buyout before shopping, pretty risky.
- ukeman

if they read the mkt right, they can get someone at least as good as bryz, because like musical chairs, there will be more goalies than jobs available. they have mason in tow, so while there's an element of risk, there's no reason to panic. ~ 6 teams need a goalie including the flyers.

It would seem that maybe the Flyers management's (as well as the fans) eyes become bigger then their stomachs every time a big name player could be had in a deal. A Mark Streit signing is just around the corner, I don't get it. The rumours of Bernier being traded here I get even less. It's funny because the Bobby Ryan Rumours actually make the most sense to me. I'm not saying he's the guy we have to get but my view is this. The best thing that could have happened to James Neal is being traded to the Penguins. That places him next to a legit center in Malkin, which puts him over the 40 goal mark and finally makes his career. That can happen with Bobby Ryan here and he's a player of possible need. On the other hand, we need puck movers but we dove head first into acquiring the rights to a player who in my opinion is just OK. He isn't a number one, which we need more then anything else. Then there is so much talk of Mason being our number one goaltender a week ago but then this week we're linked to Johnathon Bernier and it's like, "Steve Mason who?"

I really think we're taking our eyes off the prize. We're easily side tracked like a dog barking at a cat but easily forgets the cat the moment someone waves a bone in it's face and tosses it in the opposite direction.
- dingo8urbaby

SQUIRREL!

It would seem that maybe the Flyers management's (as well as the fans) eyes become bigger then their stomachs every time a big name player could be had in a deal. A Mark Streit signing is just around the corner, I don't get it. The rumours of Bernier being traded here I get even less. It's funny because the Bobby Ryan Rumours actually make the most sense to me. I'm not saying he's the guy we have to get but my view is this. The best thing that could have happened to James Neal is being traded to the Penguins. That places him next to a legit center in Malkin, which puts him over the 40 goal mark and finally makes his career. That can happen with Bobby Ryan here and he's a player of possible need. On the other hand, we need puck movers but we dove head first into acquiring the rights to a player who in my opinion is just OK. He isn't a number one, which we need more then anything else. Then there is so much talk of Mason being our number one goaltender a week ago but then this week we're linked to Johnathon Bernier and it's like, "Steve Mason who?"

I really think we're taking our eyes off the prize. We're easily side tracked like a dog barking at a cat but easily forgets the cat the moment someone waves a bone in it's face and tosses it in the opposite direction.
- dingo8urbaby

So wait... you dont get getting Streit, you dont get the interest in Bernier, but you do get the interest in Ryan.

It would seem that maybe the Flyers management's (as well as the fans) eyes become bigger then their stomachs every time a big name player could be had in a deal. A Mark Streit signing is just around the corner, I don't get it. The rumours of Bernier being traded here I get even less. It's funny because the Bobby Ryan Rumours actually make the most sense to me. I'm not saying he's the guy we have to get but my view is this. The best thing that could have happened to James Neal is being traded to the Penguins. That places him next to a legit center in Malkin, which puts him over the 40 goal mark and finally makes his career. That can happen with Bobby Ryan here and he's a player of possible need. On the other hand, we need puck movers but we dove head first into acquiring the rights to a player who in my opinion is just OK. He isn't a number one, which we need more then anything else. Then there is so much talk of Mason being our number one goaltender a week ago but then this week we're linked to Johnathon Bernier and it's like, "Steve Mason who?"

I really think we're taking our eyes off the prize. We're easily side tracked like a dog barking at a cat but easily forgets the cat the moment someone waves a bone in it's face and tosses it in the opposite direction.
- dingo8urbaby

the flyers plan based on plyrs they want at a given time, not on a cogent, durable strategy or philosophy.

It would seem that maybe the Flyers management's (as well as the fans) eyes become bigger then their stomachs every time a big name player could be had in a deal. A Mark Streit signing is just around the corner, I don't get it. The rumours of Bernier being traded here I get even less. It's funny because the Bobby Ryan Rumours actually make the most sense to me. I'm not saying he's the guy we have to get but my view is this. The best thing that could have happened to James Neal is being traded to the Penguins. That places him next to a legit center in Malkin, which puts him over the 40 goal mark and finally makes his career. That can happen with Bobby Ryan here and he's a player of possible need. On the other hand, we need puck movers but we dove head first into acquiring the rights to a player who in my opinion is just OK. He isn't a number one, which we need more then anything else. Then there is so much talk of Mason being our number one goaltender a week ago but then this week we're linked to Johnathon Bernier and it's like, "Steve Mason who?"

I really think we're taking our eyes off the prize. We're easily side tracked like a dog barking at a cat but easily forgets the cat the moment someone waves a bone in it's face and tosses it in the opposite direction.
- dingo8urbaby

Ryan has played plenty with very high quality linemates in Getzlaf and Perry. I dont think playing with Giroix and Voracek would mean a dramatic uptick in what he produces.

I rather enjoy seeing people lose their minds on twitter.
- Jsaquella

So, your telling me there's a chance? YES!!!!

I would like to see the Flyers do what they can to improve in areas of need without blowing it up. We don't need to address every single need by trading away young assets all in one offseason. Hopefully this is just silly season talk and they don't remake the entire team, again.

But seriously, do you really think you'll get B.Ryan AND Hiller (a established goaltender) for only Read and Meszaros? That's absurd Read is not worth Bernier either.
- Orpik44

A 900k 20+ goal 2 way winger is not worth a prospect goalie? Ohh never mind your a penguins fan, that explains it!

Bill, How short of a leash do you think Homer is on?
- jak521

His leash is as long as the time Snider has left on this planet.