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Don'tForgetTocchet
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ground Zero Brooklyn
Joined: 02.08.2007

Jun 19 @ 2:20 PM ET
Ryan, a Cherry Hill, NJ native is a huge fan favorite in Anaheim, but becomes expendable with all the money thrown at Ryan Getzlaf and Corey Perry. In addition the emergence of younger players like Pat Maroon and Emerson Etem have made the possibility of this trade all the more feasible.

From the ducks new blog...


- GirouxForTheShow



i always liked fat pat
still wonder what he did to get the boot
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Jun 19 @ 2:20 PM ET
yeah too bad that pick turned out to be Joni Pitkanen instead of Duncan Keith
- MrBigglesworth



That draft was one of the thinnest of the past 20-odd years, so that could also be why the cost to move up was so low.
MrBigglesworth
Location: PA
Joined: 01.30.2008

Jun 19 @ 2:22 PM ET
The only thing that works against Joni Pitkanen is his attitude. I don't think he's a great player but make him a better teammate and I'd would rather have him right now then Mark Streit.
- dingo8urbaby


While Pitkanen does play solid defence and can run the PP when healthy, he's been mostly injured last few seasons in Carolina. If you think our defence is hurting, look at the Canes. Corso, Gleason.. brutal
bradleyc4
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the jewelry is still out
Joined: 01.16.2007

Jun 19 @ 2:23 PM ET
Maybe they picked the wrong player for the Selke?
Kidding, both Toews and Bergeron are great choices, but Bergeron has been much better in the playoffs so far.

I am expecting a big game from Toews tonight, though.

- Marc D


The goals/assists numbers aren't there, but he's been putting up amazing possession numbers against the best competition the league can throw at him.

His team is shooting 5% when he's on the ice. Tough to accumulate numbers that way, and yet Chicago is still outscoring their opponents at even strength when he's on the ice.

Foreshadowing?

johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Jun 19 @ 2:23 PM ET
Ryan, a Cherry Hill, NJ native is a huge fan favorite in Anaheim, but becomes expendable with all the money thrown at Ryan Getzlaf and Corey Perry. In addition the emergence of younger players like Pat Maroon and Emerson Etem have made the possibility of this trade all the more feasible.

From the ducks new blog...


- GirouxForTheShow


Pat Maroon.

If that's not the very definition of one's man's trash being another man's treasure.

What was his story here again? He was out of shape all the time? Bad attitude? I don't remember, specifically, but I remember the relationship between Maroon and the Flyers ended acrimoniously.
stayinthefnnet
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 01.12.2012

Jun 19 @ 2:23 PM ET
While Pitkanen does play solid defence and can run the PP when healthy, he's been mostly injured last few seasons in Carolina. If you think our defence is hurting, look at the Canes. Corso, Gleason.. brutal
- MrBigglesworth

i always thought gleason was fairly decent. but yeah, they are hurting as a unit
MrBigglesworth
Location: PA
Joined: 01.30.2008

Jun 19 @ 2:23 PM ET
How much will Ray Emery cost ?
~1.5mill ?
dingo8urbaby
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.02.2009

Jun 19 @ 2:25 PM ET
Claude Giroux, Wayne Simmonds, Luke Schenn, Steve Mason...Johnathon Bernier? Are we trying to rebuild the 2008 World Juniors Roster?
bradleyc4
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the jewelry is still out
Joined: 01.16.2007

Jun 19 @ 2:26 PM ET
Claude Giroux, Wayne Simmonds, Luke Schenn, Steve Mason...Johnathon Bernier? Are we trying to rebuild the 2008 World Juniors Roster?
- dingo8urbaby


And Bernier backed up Mason, right?
MrBigglesworth
Location: PA
Joined: 01.30.2008

Jun 19 @ 2:26 PM ET
i always thought gleason was fairly decent. but yeah, they are hurting as a unit
- stayinthefnnet


Gleason's contract is pretty bad. 4yr/16mill
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Jun 19 @ 2:28 PM ET
Claude Giroux, Wayne Simmonds, Luke Schenn, Steve Mason...Johnathon Bernier? Are we trying to rebuild the 2008 World Juniors Roster?
- dingo8urbaby


Well, we tried with the 2005 Canadian WJ roster and we missed out.
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Jun 19 @ 2:29 PM ET
Claude Giroux, Wayne Simmonds, Luke Schenn, Steve Mason...Johnathon Bernier? Are we trying to rebuild the 2008 World Juniors Roster?
- dingo8urbaby



We had Stefan Legein too.
stayinthefnnet
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 01.12.2012

Jun 19 @ 2:29 PM ET
Gleason's contract is pretty bad. 4yr/16mill
- MrBigglesworth

at first glance that is a little yikes, especially considering he really isnt an offensive guy. but christ who knows. if he hit the open market tomorrow hed probably fetch at least that again.
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Jun 19 @ 2:31 PM ET
And Bernier backed up Mason, right?
- bradleyc4



Yeah, but they both posted ridiculous numbers.
Doc_Sarcasm
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Should of studied Geometry
Joined: 04.28.2013

Jun 19 @ 2:31 PM ET
i always liked fat pat
still wonder what he did to get the boot

- Don'tForgetTocchet



terrible work ethic among other things.


when you get a nickname of Fat Balloon, you know things have gone downhill from the days when you were drafted #2 overall
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Jun 19 @ 2:32 PM ET
terrible work ethic among other things.


when you get a nickname of Fat Balloon, you know things have gone downhill from the days when you were drafted #2 overall

- Doc_Sarcasm


I think he was referring to Pat Maroon.

Not to be confused with former Flyer and former SJ Sharks draft pick Pat Falloon.

Both, I guess, could be called "Fat Balloon" because of how their names sound.
Doc_Sarcasm
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Should of studied Geometry
Joined: 04.28.2013

Jun 19 @ 2:33 PM ET
at first glance that is a little yikes, especially considering he really isnt an offensive guy. but christ who knows. if he hit the open market tomorrow hed probably fetch at least that again.
- stayinthefnnet


Bryan Allen got what? 3.5/year when he left Carolina? Gleason is better and younger.
stayinthefnnet
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 01.12.2012

Jun 19 @ 2:33 PM ET
Bryan Allen got what? 3.5/year when he left Carolina? Gleason is better and younger.
- Doc_Sarcasm

id take gleason on the pens.
Doc_Sarcasm
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Should of studied Geometry
Joined: 04.28.2013

Jun 19 @ 2:34 PM ET
I think he was referring to Pat Maroon.

Not to be confused with former Flyer and former SJ Sharks draft pick Pat Falloon.

Both, I guess, could be called "Fat Balloon" because of how their names sound.

- johndewar



did we have Pat Maroon? i totally thought that was a referance to Falloon. My mistake. I blame too much blood in my coffee stream.
mayorofangrytown
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Downingtown, PA
Joined: 08.16.2006

Jun 19 @ 2:34 PM ET
at the risk of sounding uninformed, i believe that is carolina's pick right? honestly, they wouldnt be my choice to try to work out a deal with. the 5th pick on its own isnt enough for me, and i think it would be difficult to hammer out other pieces to make it work.
- stayinthefnnet

Skinner, 5th and a prospect? Sounds like Letang is slotted at 6 mil if he wants to stay in the Pit. He's not settling for that. Trading partners tend to revisit.
Don'tForgetTocchet
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ground Zero Brooklyn
Joined: 02.08.2007

Jun 19 @ 2:36 PM ET
did we have Pat Maroon? i totally thought that was a referance to Falloon. My mistake. I blame too much blood in my coffee stream.
- Doc_Sarcasm



yup he was a flyers pick, got into some trouble while on the phantoms and got shipped out
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Jun 19 @ 2:40 PM ET
did we have Pat Maroon? i totally thought that was a referance to Falloon. My mistake. I blame too much blood in my coffee stream.
- Doc_Sarcasm


Yep, we sure did.

6th round pick of the Flyers.
Doc_Sarcasm
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Should of studied Geometry
Joined: 04.28.2013

Jun 19 @ 2:40 PM ET
id take gleason on the pens.
- stayinthefnnet



I dont think Gleason is one of the root causes of Carolina's struggles. I would take him too. I watched a little bit of Carolina early in the season and it seemed at the time like their forwards were a mess when they had to be defensively responsible, and were not terribly good at puck security.
stayinthefnnet
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 01.12.2012

Jun 19 @ 2:41 PM ET
Skinner, 5th and a prospect? Sounds like Letang is slotted at 6 mil if he wants to stay in the Pit. He's not settling for that. Trading partners tend to revisit.
- mayorofangrytown

i dont know why skinner doesnt get me giddy like he should. hes not exactly cheap anymore, and he looked pretty pedestrian last year.

JAKEw1234
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 2Spookyville, PA
Joined: 03.09.2013

Jun 19 @ 2:41 PM ET
Just5 2013 Roster V. 1.0

The trades first

-2013 2nd rounder and Read to LAK for Bernier
-Coburn, Cousins, #11 to Carolina for #5
-Mez to anyone for anything


CAPGEEK.COM USER GENERATED ROSTER
My Custom Lineup
FORWARDS
Scott Hartnell ($4.750m) / Claude Giroux ($3.750m) / Jakub Voracek ($4.250m)
Brayden Schenn ($3.110m) / Valtteri Filppula ($4.500m) / Wayne Simmonds ($3.975m)
valeri nichushkin ($3.000m) / Sean Couturier ($1.375m) / Maxime Talbot ($1.750m)
Tye McGinn ($0.775m) / Scott Laughton ($1.107m) / Zac Rinaldo ($0.750m)
Jay Rosehill ($0.675m)
DEFENSEMEN
Kimmo Timonen ($6.000m) / Luke Schenn ($3.600m)
Rob Scuderi ($3.750m) / Mark Streit ($5.250m)
Erik Gustafsson ($1.000m) / Nicklas Grossmann ($3.500m)
Oliver Lauridsen ($0.650m) / Bruno Gervais ($0.825m)
GOALTENDERS
Jonathan Bernier ($2.250m)
Steve Mason ($1.500m)
OTHER
Buyout: Oskars Bartulis ($0.100m)
Buyout: Danny Briere ($0.000m)
Buyout: Ilya Bryzgalov ($0.000m)
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled with the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $62,374,594; BONUSES: $2,800,000
CAP SPACE (23-man roster): $4,725,406

I realize the biggest knock on this is we did is get older on defense, and we may be thinner. But I'm a big fan of Scuderi and wouldn't blink to sign him for 3 years. But I believe this is all worth it in order to acquire Nichushkin and Bernier. I also prefer B Schenn to move to the wing.

- Just5


I actually like this. If the pieces could all come together I'd be happy seeing this happen
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