He's a 2nd line center on a decent team. A 3rd center on a good team. He makes 6.7 mil. He shouldn't be in Darcy's mind IMO. Especially not for Vanek who with Ryan is maybe the most sought after forward in all of this offseason
- sbroads24

He makes 6.6 mil, while not a big difference, it's the 3rd or 4th time what he makes has been typed wrong with internet ink.

Ott and Kaleta fought once yes....


But Kaleta's very first game was against Ottawa the night of the brawl...

When Ruff put Peters - Mair - Kaleta on the ice after the Drury hit you can see Kaleta and Heatley at the top talking poop. It came out in some interview that it went like this...

Heatley: I am gonna take you to school rookie.
Kaleta: Well I prefer you don't drive because I want to get there in one piece.

Shove shove... push push.. and fights.
- JVince11

Heatley is out with shoulder surgery. 6-8 months

really??? You are going to use +/- as the level of it he is good in all 3 zones??

that has to be the stupidest thing I have ever seen....

The Avs are a bottom dwelling team... in the last 5 years those numbers are probably pretty good considering the elements..



Shall we talk about Vanek and his sandy/salty vagina when it comes to hitting someone?? what has he had... 10 hits a year? maybe -5 shots blocked..
- JVince11

Stastny Hits totals last 5 years 21,40,74,42,19 196 hits - 398 points -3 +/-
Vanek Hits totals last 5 years 13,34,30,46,34 157 hits - 488 points +34 +/-

He's a 2nd line center on a decent team. A 3rd center on a good team. He makes 6.7 mil. He shouldn't be in Darcy's mind IMO. Especially not for Vanek who with Ryan is maybe the most sought after forward in all of this offseason
- sbroads24

Stastny is also a 3 time 50 assist guy....


oh and lets not forget that Stastny is one of the BEST Faceoff guys in the NHL.. something like 57% if I remember correctly.

cause there are so many offors for vanek right?
- hubie

And I'm sure people are knocking down Sakic's door offering 30 goal scorers for Stastny. It just doesn't make sense from a Sabre standpoint

Vanek mind as well just stand in front of the other teams goalie the entire game... why even come down to the other end of the ice...

Stastny is good all over the ice...

am i saying Stastny>Vanek not necessary... but you have so much Vanek cream on you that you need a squeegee for your face.
- JVince11

Sir, you are the one who brought Vanek into the discussion. Not me.

Stastny is also a 3 time 50 assist guy....


oh and lets not forget that Stastny is one of the BEST Faceoff guys in the NHL.. something like 57% if I remember correctly.
- JVince11

.517 for his career and only his rookie season was below .500.

Stastny is also a 2 time 50 assist guy....



- JVince11

Fixed

Stastny Hits totals last 5 years 21,40,74,42,19 196 hits - 398 points -3 +/-
Vanek Hits totals last 5 years 13,34,30,46,34 157 hits - 488 points +34 +/-
- RynoBull

Vanek had a season of +47. He's been a -13 his other 7 seasons.


Another reason +/- is a bs stat.

Vanek had a season of +47. He's been a -13 his other 7 seasons.


Another reason +/- is a bs stat.
- dadeadhead

especially if it doesn't support your argument.

Stastny Hits totals last 5 years 21,40,74,42,19 196 hits - 398 points -3 +/-
Vanek Hits totals last 5 years 13,34,30,46,34 157 hits - 488 points +34 +/-
- RynoBull

Well if we want to just use a hit stat to make a point.. let me just use another stat to make my point..

Stastny GvA/TkA - +8, +35, +30, +24, and +5

Vanek GvA/TkA - +4, -19, -2, -6, -23

Do you want me to add that up.. or do you get my point?

Vanek had a season of +47. He's been a -13 his other 7 seasons.


Another reason +/- is a bs stat.
- dadeadhead

Hard to find + players on a losing team

And I'm sure people are knocking down Sakic's door offering 30 goal scorers for Stastny. It just doesn't make sense from a Sabre standpoint
- sbroads24

Getting a top line center doesnt make sense?

Fixed
- RynoBull

47 assists that year... damn.. you are right... that shouldn't even count...

47, 59, and 50 assist seasons..

especially if it doesn't support your argument.
- RynoBull

Take stastny's +22 he had in 07/08(as that was his odd year) and he's a -25.


+/- is still a bs stat. Always has been.

.517 for his career and only his rookie season was below .500.
- dadeadhead

Last 4 seasons
.97ppg
.72ppg
.67ppg
.60 PPG

All while being demoted from line 1 to line 3 in 2 seasons. Not someone you trade your best asset for rebuilding in Vanek for

And I'm sure people are knocking down Sakic's door offering 30 goal scorers for Stastny. It just doesn't make sense from a Sabre standpoint
- sbroads24

30* goal scorers in their prime... not now or going forward. Guy is 30+.. often injured..

only had like 5 more points that Stafford this season after the first 11 games of the year...

get real... stop holding on to years past everyone...

Last 4 seasons
.97ppg
.72ppg
.67ppg
.60 PPG

All while being demoted from line 1 to line 3 in 2 seasons. Not someone you trade your best asset for rebuilding in Vanek for
- sbroads24

best asset who we hope the rest of the NHL doesn't realize is circling the drain. IMO

Getting a top line center doesnt make sense?
- hubie

He's not a top line center. If he was he would have had more than 24 pts this season

47 assists that year... damn.. you are right... that shouldn't even count...

47, 59, and 50 assist seasons..
- JVince11

it shouldnt count as a 50 assist season. Unless we can count Vanak as a 3 time 40 goal scorer.

Last 4 seasons
.97ppg
.72ppg
.67ppg
.60 PPG

All while being demoted from line 1 to line 3 in 2 seasons. Not someone you trade your best asset for rebuilding in Vanek for
- sbroads24

u and ryno just cant get off the ppg kick

Last 4 seasons
.97ppg
.72ppg
.67ppg
.60 PPG

All while being demoted from line 1 to line 3 in 2 seasons. Not someone you trade your best asset for rebuilding in Vanek for
- sbroads24

And ppg has exactly what to do with FO%(since thats the post you quoted)?

He's not a top line center. If he was he would have had more than 24 pts this season
- sbroads24

He is a very good 2nd line center. Drury type.

Last 4 seasons
.97ppg
.72ppg
.67ppg
.60 PPG

All while being demoted from line 1 to line 3 in 2 seasons. Not someone you trade your best asset for rebuilding in Vanek for
- sbroads24

Again, there is something going on there. Stastny's dad had some pretty revealing comments about Colorado.

If not for nothing Stastny was USA's best player in the world tourney. 15 pts in 10 games.

30* goal scorers in their prime... not now or going forward. Guy is 30+.. often injured..

only had like 5 more points that Stafford this season after the first 11 games of the year...

get real... stop holding on to years past everyone...
- JVince11

Years past as in Stastny was a PPG player 4 years ago and Vanek was this year?