I would pass on either I think.
Try our luck with a FA in Clarkson or Horton

Horton/Clarkson, Gardiner/Franson, 21 pick, 2nd is better than Bobby Ryan
- senstroll

i don't want anything to do with this years free agent forward crop, but i definitely have no issues with keeping and working with what we have. next summer may offer higher quality to spend that cap space on.

I would pass on either I think.
Try our luck with a FA in Clarkson or Horton

Horton/Clarkson, Gardiner/Franson, 21 pick, 2nd is better than Bobby Ryan
- senstroll

Correct.

Would I like Ryan as a UFA signing? Heck yes.

Would I want to give up significant assets to get him?

No. He's not a #1 centre.

Let's stay focused, Leafs Nation.

Thank you.

ahah i don't think we've been fleeced by boston as bad as the media and others make it sound.

Sure seguin and hamilton, but we got a top 6 or 7 scorer in the nhl... which is extreeeeeemely rare to find. Hate on Kessel all you want, he is an elite player and you would have to give up a cpl of firsts atleast to obtain anybody in the top 10 over the last couple years.

rask for raycroft ... i have absolutely nothing to defend this one

and then a declining/toast kaberle for colborne and a 1st and maybe even 2nd, not too shabby
- dragus84

the rask one kills me.

all the goons on here running their faces about how rask wasn't anything big anyways, couldn't win in the playoffs.. hasn't done much more than reiimer.

... kill me now

i don't want anything to do with this years free agent forward crop, but i definitely have no issues with keeping and working with what we have. next summer may offer higher quality to spend that cap space on.
- joel878

Why are we completely ignoring Ribiero?

Yeah, I know he's a diver, but...

6th in scoring for centers last year.

16th the year before.

He's not a giant, but there are no giants available.

Just sayin'...

Why are we completely ignoring Ribiero?

Yeah, I know he's a diver, but...

6th in scoring for forwards last year.

16th the year before.

He's not a giant, but there are no giants available.

Just sayin'...
- Atomic Wedgie

i hate rebiero, but deep down i know if i read we signed him... i would be excited about the possibilities on our first line

Why are we completely ignoring Ribiero?

Yeah, I know he's a diver, but...

6th in scoring for centers last year.

16th the year before.

He's not a giant, but there are no giants available.

Just sayin'...
- Atomic Wedgie

Sign him to the 2 year Tim Connally special

i hate rebiero, but deep down i know if i read we signed him... i would be excited about the possibilities on our first line
- dragus84

We worshiped Domi.

We cheered for Tucker.

We loved Jamie Macoun.

We could learn to tolerate Ribiero.

Why are we completely ignoring Ribiero?

Yeah, I know he's a diver, but...

6th in scoring for forwards last year.

16th the year before.

He's not a giant, but there are no giants available.

Just sayin'...
- Atomic Wedgie

he would definitely be my second choice. he'll probably get what bozak is demanding, so why not? plays a bit like grabovski.

my first choice remains some miracle trade ala phaneuf, gardiner/lupul that brings in a young top flight center. so when i say 2nd choice, i mean only real choice.

ribeiro would be about the only free agent out there i'd be okay handing some money to.

Why are we completely ignoring Ribiero?

Yeah, I know he's a diver, but...

6th in scoring for centers last year.

16th the year before.

He's not a giant, but there are no giants available.

Just sayin'...
- Atomic Wedgie

AGREE! If we need to throw a little extra at him, dont sign Bozak, we dont need him anyways. Roll Ribeiro, Kadri, Grabo, McClement.

With a Komi buyout, you can throw 7 at Ribeiro and still have 15mil in cap space + other buyout to sign Kadri, Colborne, Gunnar, Fraser, Franson. (Lesser Extent: MacA and Mclaren)

nobody would pay an injury ravaged, washed up, soft player with zero defensive ability coming out of retirement 5 million today.
- Barx

Jason Allison was a PPG player before being side-lined with a concussion. he was two years removed from a 74 point season. Just three years removed from a 95 point season.

197 points in 181 games in the three seasons preceding his injury. In the dead puck era.

Aren't Clarskon's career years about 2-3 behind him now? Yeah, he isn't coming off an injury, but nobody disputed that Allison could score points.

He scored 60 points the year after the lock-out, which seems to validate that. Also, he was 30 years old. Definitely not washed up.

Had it not been a lock-out year with a bunch of free agents on the market, Jason Allison would have gotten a larger deal than $1.5 million.

What would you pay right now for a 30 year old center with a 1.09 PPG average over his past three healthy seasons, even if he missed the last season with an injury?

Jason Allison was a PPG player before being side-lined with a concussion. he was two years removed from a 74 point season. Just three years removed from a 95 point season.

197 points in 181 games in the three seasons preceding his injury. In the dead puck era.

Aren't Clarskon's career years about 2-3 behind him now? Yeah, he isn't coming off an injury, but nobody disputed that Allison could score points.

He scored 60 points the year after the lock-out, which seems to validate that. Also, he was 30 years old. Definitely not washed up.

Had it not been a lock-out year with a bunch of free agents on the market, Jason Allison would have gotten a larger deal than $1.5 million.
- Leeman4Gilmour

Dude, Allison is still trying to get off the ice since 2006. Steckel makes him look like Usain Bolt.

Dude, Allison is still trying to get off the ice since 2006. Steckel makes him look like Usain Bolt.
- markmark

That's not the point. The point is that if you were to magically transport 2004 Jason Allison to 2013 with all the same point totals (and that's before you adjust his point totals up to reflect present day scoring), that guy would get paid.

Big time.

Jason Allison was a PPG player before being side-lined with a concussion. he was two years removed from a 74 point season. Just three years removed from a 95 point season.

197 points in 181 games in the three seasons preceding his injury. In the dead puck era.

Aren't Clarskon's career years about 2-3 behind him now? Yeah, he isn't coming off an injury, but nobody disputed that Allison could score points.

He scored 60 points the year after the lock-out, which seems to validate that. Also, he was 30 years old. Definitely not washed up.

Had it not been a lock-out year with a bunch of free agents on the market, Jason Allison would have gotten a larger deal than $1.5 million.

What would you pay right now for a 30 year old center with a 1.09 PPG average over his past three healthy seasons, even if he missed the last season with an injury?
- Leeman4Gilmour

can he skate faster than 2kmph?

does he play defense?

cause allison did neither

Dude, Allison is still trying to get off the ice since 2006. Steckel makes him look like Usain Bolt.
- markmark

That's not the point. The point is that if you were to magically transport 2004 Jason Allison to 2013 with all the same point totals (and that's before you adjust his point totals up to reflect present day scoring), that guy would get paid.

Big time.
- Leeman4Gilmour

he prolly wouldnt even make the NHL.. too slow.

game is faster now.. he wouldnt be able to play it

can he skate faster than 2kmph?

does he play defense?

cause allison did neither
- Dozzer

I'm not exactly trying to sing Allison's praises here.

But let's just say you had a 30 year old center who finished around the pace of the Art Ross trophy winner 3 years ago.

He's a PPG player, but he missed the last season with an injury. What would that guy sign for today?

Joffrey Lupul has been just as injured as Allison ever was, has never put up any close to Allison's career highs (and offense is easier to come by these days), and he scored himself a 5.25 million dollar deal.

I'm not exactly trying to sing Allison's praises here.

But let's just say you had a 30 year old center who finished around the pace of the Art Ross trophy winner 3 years ago.

He's a PPG player, but he missed the last season with an injury. What would that guy sign for today?

Joffrey Lupul has been just as injured as Allison ever was, has never put up any close to Allison's career highs (and offense is easier to come by these days), and he scored himself a 5.25 million dollar deal.
- Leeman4Gilmour

I think you just need a better example than Allison. Even though Lupul has been injured, he can still play at a high level, Allison can't.

he prolly wouldnt even make the NHL.. too slow.

game is faster now.. he wouldnt be able to play it
- Dozzer

I'm not trying to argue about the particulars of whether he can play today's game.

In 2004, he could play the game. He would have gotten paid a lot more if not for the fact that it was a soft market for free agents.

I'm not getting into the particulars of Jason Allison's game except to show that the year after the lock-out was an example of a soft free agent market.

I'm using Allison only as an example of a guy who was worth more than 1.5 million dollars, but couldn't find the kind of big money he probably would have gotten.

The year after the lock-out was a total buyer's market. A lot of guys got picked up for cheap. This year isn't quite as drastic, but with a falling cap, I think it will be a softer market.

I'm not trying to argue about the particulars of whether he can play today's game.

In 2004, he could play the game. He would have gotten paid a lot more if not for the fact that it was a soft market for free agents.

I'm not getting into the particulars of Jason Allison's game except to show that the year after the lock-out was an example of a soft free agent market.

I'm using Allison only as an example of a guy who was worth more than 1.5 million dollars, but couldn't find the kind of big money he probably would have gotten.
- Leeman4Gilmour

Jason Allison was a PPG player before being side-lined with a concussion. he was two years removed from a 74 point season. Just three years removed from a 95 point season.

197 points in 181 games in the three seasons preceding his injury. In the dead puck era.

Aren't Clarskon's career years about 2-3 behind him now? Yeah, he isn't coming off an injury, but nobody disputed that Allison could score points.

He scored 60 points the year after the lock-out, which seems to validate that. Also, he was 30 years old. Definitely not washed up.

Had it not been a lock-out year with a bunch of free agents on the market, Jason Allison would have gotten a larger deal than $1.5 million.

What would you pay right now for a 30 year old center with a 1.09 PPG average over his past three healthy seasons, even if he missed the last season with an injury?
- Leeman4Gilmour

no

Jason Allison was a PPG player before being side-lined with a concussion. he was two years removed from a 74 point season. Just three years removed from a 95 point season.

197 points in 181 games in the three seasons preceding his injury. In the dead puck era.

Aren't Clarskon's career years about 2-3 behind him now? Yeah, he isn't coming off an injury, but nobody disputed that Allison could score points.

He scored 60 points the year after the lock-out, which seems to validate that. Also, he was 30 years old. Definitely not washed up.

Had it not been a lock-out year with a bunch of free agents on the market, Jason Allison would have gotten a larger deal than $1.5 million.

What would you pay right now for a 30 year old center with a 1.09 PPG average over his past three healthy seasons, even if he missed the last season with an injury?
- Leeman4Gilmour

nothing, if he played like allison. not one cent.

I'm not trying to argue about the particulars of whether he can play today's game.

In 2004, he could play the game. He would have gotten paid a lot more if not for the fact that it was a soft market for free agents.

I'm not getting into the particulars of Jason Allison's game except to show that the year after the lock-out was an example of a soft free agent market.

I'm using Allison only as an example of a guy who was worth more than 1.5 million dollars, but couldn't find the kind of big money he probably would have gotten.
- Leeman4Gilmour

yes, there were questions marks around him.. he had to take a cheap season to get to play.. also I think he wanted to play in toronto as well. and when there is only one option you give.. then you limit your ceiling.

it had nothing to do with his skill. you are 100% right.. it was market value. too many of us think that skill translates into dollars, it most certainly does not. it effects the market.. sure.. but not the salary itself

i guess you could say it indirectly effects the salary by effecting the market

nothing, if he played like allison. not one cent.
- Barx

Please tell me that there's just one person here who gets what I'm saying.

Let me start from the beginning and simplify.

Early 2000's Jason Allison = extremely good hockey player.

Extremely good hockey player = 1.5 million dollars after the lock-out.

He had injury history and even that was enough to stop him from scoring a better deal. In a typical year, a guy with Allison's pedigree would have gotten a big pay day (or a bigger pay day than 1.5 million bucks, at least)/

There were more free agents than available jobs. A lot of guys just retired rather than play for league minimum (though some guys did indeed play for league min.)

In conclusion:

2005 = soft market for free agents

Please tell me that there's just one person here who gets what I'm saying.

Let me start from the beginning and simplify.

Early 2000's Jason Allison = extremely good hockey player.

Extremely good hockey player = 1.5 million dollars after the lock-out.

He had injury history and even that was enough to stop him from scoring a better deal. There were more free agents than available jobs. A lot of guys just retired rather than play for league minimum (though some guys did indeed play for league min.)

In conclusion:

2005 = soft market for free agents
- Leeman4Gilmour

in conclusion: allison was a washed up, one-dimensional bum who nobody would sign....