Lupul is better than Clarkson and gets 5.25 for comparison's sake. And, as much as we love the guy now, if he ever slows down his production, the fans will eat him alive, too.
(Side-note: I have to laugh at all the people calling for Phaneuf's head and demanding the captaincy go to Lupul. They'll be the same ones to chew him up if he puts up a 40-50 point season now that he's being paid like a 65+ point player.)
Clarkson at $4.5 would be my ceiling. Give him 4 years. - Leeman4Gilmour
That would go over well...stripping the C and then watch Phaneuf pout for 20 or 30 games before we would have to pretty much give him away. Real smart!!!!
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Jun 18 @ 9:02 PM ET
Gonna side with the Anti-Clarkson crowd.
He would be a great player to pick up, but I think there is a pretty good chance you regret the contract in 2 years... and you'll have at least 3 years left at something probably north of 5M.
Crystal ball...we are talking about Clarkson...have you seen him play??? I would hope so, your chiming in and now we need a crystal ball wondering if he's going to play on the perimeter?????? I don't think he's shy of the net or the corners - Garnie
you're telling me all these things that validate handing him a 5 year contract at 5 mil + a season. i'm supposed to take not being a perimeter player as being near the top of that list?
wake up. we're not paying him for his 2011-2012 season until now. we'd be paying him for what he's going to do from age 29 to age 34. him scoring 30 goals once, and scoring 10 goals in a month in a shortened season.. not really doing (frank) all else, in what has otherwise been a career a bit better than danny carcillo's, isn't going to convince me to buy the hype and get on board with these stupid contracts handed out during free agency.
and lucky from my point of view, dave nonis has yet to make oe signing in his career as a GM that would show he disagrees with me.
oh, and enough with the 7 smiley faces in every single post. it's annoying, and it makes you look like you're 12. you're better then that
He would be a great player to pick up, but I think there is a pretty good chance you regret the contract in 2 years... and you'll have at least 3 years left at something probably north of 5M. - Aetherial
I agree. We should be in pretty good shape in about 3 years with 2-3 of our young D ready to play, and hopefully a surprise from our minors that can be a top 6 forward.....
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Jun 18 @ 9:05 PM ET
you're telling me all these things that validate handing him a 5 year contract at 5 mil + a season. i'm supposed to take not being a perimeter player as being near the top of that list?
wake up. we're not paying him for his 2011-2012 season until now. we'd be paying him for what he's going to do from age 29 to age 34. him scoring 30 goals once, and scoring 10 goals in a month in a shortened season.. not really doing (frank) all else, in what has otherwise been a career a bit better than danny carcillo's, isn't going to convince me to buy the hype and get on board with these stupid contracts handed out during free agency.
and lucky from my point of view, dave nonis has yet to make oe signing in his career as a GM that would show he disagrees with me.
oh, and enough with the 7 smiley faces in every single post. it's annoying, and it makes you look like you're 12. you're better then that - joel878
Forget money. We have no idea what those numbers will be. Would Clarkson be a good fit for the Leafs?
no. not being a perimeter player means nothing when you're talking about handing huge contracts out. do you understand? it's pretty (frank)ing low on the totem pole.
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Jun 18 @ 9:06 PM ET
you're telling me all these things that validate handing him a 5 year contract at 5 mil + a season. i'm supposed to take not being a perimeter player as being near the top of that list?
wake up. we're not paying him for his 2011-2012 season until now. we'd be paying him for what he's going to do from age 29 to age 34. him scoring 30 goals once, and scoring 10 goals in a month in a shortened season.. not really doing (frank) all else, in what has otherwise been a career a bit better than danny carcillo's, isn't going to convince me to buy the hype and get on board with these stupid contracts handed out during free agency.
and lucky from my point of view, dave nonis has yet to make oe signing in his career as a GM that would show he disagrees with me.
oh, and enough with the 7 smiley faces in every single post. it's annoying, and it makes you look like you're 12. you're better then that - joel878
Also you think his presence on the ice has no value?
no. not being a perimeter player means nothing when you're talking about handing huge contracts out. do you understand? it's pretty (frank)ing low on the totem pole. - joel878
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Jun 18 @ 9:07 PM ET
no. not being a perimeter player means nothing when you're talking about handing huge contracts out. do you understand? it's pretty (frank)ing low on the totem pole. - joel878
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Jun 18 @ 9:10 PM ET
Forget money. We have no idea what those numbers will be. Would Clarkson be a good fit for the Leafs? - honesthockey
Yes. I have no problem saying that.
Crosby would be a good fit on the Leafs, too. But not at $20 million per season (I don't think you can even sign a player to that large of a contract, but let's just say you could).
The point is that there is a certain point at which any player becomes overpaid. They'll never be able to provide as much value to the team as they cost.
Forget money. We have no idea what those numbers will be. Would Clarkson be a good fit for the Leafs? - honesthockey
i think we've seen his career peak, and he's going to decline back to the irrelevancy the majority of his career has been to this point aside from the last two seasons. for the love of god, at 27 he had 12 goals and was a -20.
you take away the scoring, and no. he's not a good fit for the leafs. without it, he's not much more than a kulemin orr hybrid, and the challenge becomes putting him in the bottom 6, and spending more money looking for the same type of player you thought you addressed when you waste a contract on him.
unfortunately.. in this game, you don't forget money. everything starts and ends with it. attempting to have this conversation without money is ridiculous.
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Jun 18 @ 9:12 PM ET
What do you think he will sign for.... - jribout
No clue. I never play the money game bc I look at a players value for what he brings to the lineup. In the end money means zip bc you can always do something with that.
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Jun 18 @ 9:15 PM ET
i think we've seen his career peak, and he's going to decline back to the irrelevancy the majority of his career has been to this point aside from the last two seasons. for the love of god, at 27 he had 12 goals and was a -20.
you take away the scoring, and no. he's not a good fit for the leafs. without it, he's not much more than a kulemin orr hybrid, and the challenge becomes putting him in the bottom 6, and spending more money looking for the same type of player you thought you addressed when you waste a contract on him.
unfortunately.. in this game, you don't forget money. everything starts and ends with it. attempting to have this conversation without money is ridiculous. - joel878
You agreed that his role has changed. In the last two, not one but last two seasons he has shown a knack for the net. No reason to believe that couldn't be maintained or even grown.
He isn't a Kulemin. He has an intimidation factor.
How do you know he'll get a huge contract? - honesthockey
because he fits the perfect standard of what gets a guy a career contract in free agency. couple big time above average seasons, only real player of his type at his level going to hit the open market. stepping into a situation where there are more teams ready to shell out money and buy into the hype than there are players to fill the spots. instant bidding war = lifetime opportunity to land guaranteed money well above the players worth. most of the time, it's why these guys go to free agency in the first place.
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Jun 18 @ 9:19 PM ET
You agreed that his role has changed. In the last two, not one but last two seasons he has shown a knack for the net. No reason to believe that couldn't be maintained or even grown.
He isn't a Kulemin. He has an intimidation factor. - honesthockey
Very few players grow their talents past 30.
The prime years typically fall between 25-29. Players may plateau for the next few, but almost nobody is consistently accomplishing what they did at ages 25-29 during their early 30s.
Some do. They're total anomalies. I wouldn't break the bank on them.
You agreed that his role has changed. In the last two, not one but last two seasons he has shown a knack for the net. No reason to believe that couldn't be maintained or even grown.
He isn't a Kulemin. He has an intimidation factor. - honesthockey
i don't remember agreeing to his role having been changed, but having said that.. i do believe ville leino's role changed, and it earned him a big fat career contract. he got an even bigger role out of the contract. that means absolutely nothing when determining whether a player is going to live up to the money or not.
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Jun 18 @ 9:21 PM ET
because he fits the perfect standard of what gets a guy a career contract in free agency. couple big time above average seasons, only real player of his type at his level going to hit the open market. stepping into a situation where there are more teams ready to shell out money and buy into the hype than there are players to fill the spots. instant bidding war = lifetime opportunity to land guaranteed money well above the players worth. most of the time, it's why these guys go to free agency in the first place. - joel878
Why wouldn't you want this???? Obviously huge value.
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Jun 18 @ 9:22 PM ET
i don't remember agreeing to his role having been changed, but having said that.. i do believe ville leino's role changed, and it earned him a big fat career contract. he got an even bigger role out of the contract. that means absolutely nothing when determining whether a player is going to live up to the money or not. - joel878
Wow so you believe no one deserves to get paid based on performance? lol
Wow so you believe no one deserves to get paid based on performance? lol - honesthockey
deserves? this is about deserving?
so you're obviously claiming that buffalo did okay locking up ville leino based on 'performance'. toronto did good with blake to i suppose.
your problem is you're claiming players deserve big fat paycheques from marginal at best 'sample periods to determine performance. you're logic is the exact and entire reason horrendous contracts exist and have ever existed in this league at all.
