I realize that, but a 5.25 mill per player he certainly is not. That is Lucic money, Bregeron money, a 750k more tham Marchand will make on his new deal, up from 2.5 per.

Either Boston gets their player s to sign for lass than anyone, or the Leafs overpay terribly.
- bixll

both

one bad year. i am sorry but to throw a guy under the bus after one bad year is jumping the gun massively
- Dozzer

We were talking about this year. Then I certainly hope he plays over his salary this year coming.

so why does lucic deserve more? out of curiousity? he's not better offensively.. he's a better leader i suppose.. but otherwise.. no.. other than style.. i dont think lucic is all that much better
- Dozzer

alright dozzer, now youre getting silly.

prove your point then. what does lucic do that grabo doesnt?
- Dozzer

Intimidate, fight,lead by example, score big goals in the playoffs. Are you serious

prove your point then. what does lucic do that grabo doesnt?
- Dozzer

win.

We were talking about this year. Then I certainly hope he plays over his salary this year coming.
- bixll

you fail to ask "why" he didnt produce tho...

its an important question

most of his ice time was in a shutdown role. most of his draws were in the defensive end, he received less PP time than normal.

i could go on but when you objectively look at the "why" and not just the "what" things begin to make sense.

prove your point then. what does lucic do that grabo doesnt?
- Dozzer

wha?

I think when you compare to other players in the league making around 5.5... it becomes pretty obvious... He is a 4.5 million kind of guy....and comes back to my original comment... if he was making 4 or 4.5 we wouldnt even be talking about him
- senstroll

yah because that 1 million overpayment is outrageous, yet the darcy tucker, armstrong and 1.5 buyout for lombari = 3.5 mil - is nothing?!

its madness i say, grabo plays 99% of the games in a season. these guys are not even on the team, or playing in Tuckers case.

i think worrying so much about a million over payment is silly, what we need to hope is just grabo to regain his form and carlyle to actually use him as he should be...would you put gretzky on the PK?

no - no you wouldnt...unless fraser was reffing.

one bad year. i am sorry but to throw a guy under the bus after one bad year is jumping the gun massively
- Dozzer

wanting to off a key player because of one bad year is of the same logic as wanting to back the money truck up to a player because of one good year.

not sound logic, and piss poor management

Intimidate, fight,lead by example, score big goals in the playoffs. Are you serious
- bixll

grabo leads by example as well.. the guy is fearless.. you cant say he isnt.

fight? so a guy is worth more because he puts his team at a disadvantage by putting one of their top scorers in the box for 5min (thats a bad thing bix, not good)

score big goals in the playoffs?
lucic GPG in posts season hockey? 0.247% thats not exactly insane.

you arent looking at lucic objectively bix.. not at all.

prove your point then. what does lucic do that grabo doesnt?
- Dozzer

he sucks marchands pinnochio nose while gbov bites patches

wha?
- Lee Denault

lucic doesnt bring a whole lot more to the table than grabo.. cept lucic is more physical.. big whoop

you fail to ask "why" he didnt produce tho...

its an important question

most of his ice time was in a shutdown role. most of his draws were in the defensive end, he received less PP time than normal.

i could go on but when you objectively look at the "why" and not just the "what" things begin to make sense.
- Dozzer

You sound like my wife, this must be my fault...

I am done with this.

wanting to off a key player because of one bad year is of the same logic as wanting to back the money truck up to a player because of one good year.

not sound logic, and piss poor management
- joel878

check grabovski's points total since becoming a leaf, and then check every other player on the leafs...guess what...only 1 guy ahead of him in points.

grabo leads by example as well.. the guy is fearless.. you cant say he isnt.

fight? so a guy is worth more because he puts his team at a disadvantage by putting one of their top scorers in the box for 5min (thats a bad thing bix, not good)

score big goals in the playoffs?
lucic GPG in posts season hockey? 0.247% thats not exactly insane.

you arent looking at lucic objectively bix.. not at all.
- Dozzer

Take off the rose coloured glasses Doz. Christ man.

grabo leads by example as well.. the guy is fearless.. you cant say he isnt.

fight? so a guy is worth more because he puts his team at a disadvantage by putting one of their top scorers in the box for 5min (thats a bad thing bix, not good)

score big goals in the playoffs?
lucic GPG in posts season hockey? 0.247% thats not exactly insane.

you arent looking at lucic objectively bix.. not at all.
- Dozzer

lucic has the ability to completely dominate....he hasn't found the consistency yet, but is without a doubt one of the biggest reasons for Bostons success.
He is one of the few real 'power forwards' in the league.
A game changer.

wanting to off a key player because of one bad year is of the same logic as wanting to back the money truck up to a player because of one good year.

not sound logic, and piss poor management
- joel878

yes, and grabo has shown consistency over his career UNTIL he was used in a SHUTDOWN role by his new coach.

put grabo back into offensive situations and i guarantee you he produces.

Take off the rose coloured glasses Doz. Christ man.
- bixll

you still havent offered up proof.

opinion is not proof.. give me something tangible

check grabovski's points total since becoming a leaf, and then check every other player on the leafs...guess what...only 1 guy ahead of him in points.
- big_dion

yeah, that's my point for sure.

he didn't adjust well to a new coach. he'll figure it out.

lucic doesnt bring a whole lot more to the table than grabo.. cept lucic is more physical.. big whoop
- Dozzer

quite the big whoop actually. That lucic line torched us.

Lucic is an upgrade of grabo. to say he isnt ....is.. you know

lucic has the ability to completely dominate....he hasn't found the consistency yet, but is without a doubt one of the biggest reasons for Bostons success.
He is one of the few real 'power forwards' in the league.
- Barx

THIS i will accept. he is a true power forward and there isnt many of those.

but until he PROVES he can actually make good on his strengths and become that player full time.. i will not give him that credit.

THIS i will accept. he is a true power forward and there isnt many of those.

but until he PROVES he can actually make good on his strengths and become that player full time.. i will not give him that credit.
- Dozzer

he sure was that player full time in the leafs boston series....and every series following.

quite the big whoop actually. That lucic line torched us.

Lucic is an upgrade of grabo. to say he isnt ....is.. you know
- Lee Denault

lucic only brings a physical element to the table. otherwise he hasnt proven he can do more than grabo at all.

i am the only one producing numbers to make my point, the only one offering tangible evidence.. and not just opinion.

prove me wrong, i am more than willing to admit i am wrong.. i do it all the time.. but until someone actually can give me real proof.. then no.

i do not accept opinion as fact.

THIS i will accept. he is a true power forward and there isnt many of those.

but until he PROVES he can actually make good on his strengths and become that player full time.. i will not give him that credit.
- Dozzer

every game since game 7 against the leafs he has been dominant....he will be a huge reason the Bruins hoist another cup.
that deserves some credit.

i guess you missed my whole post about how he right in range

his production, coupled with the timing of his free agency, makes the contract bang on.
- Dozzer

But that doesn't mean he is fair value.
I understand the circumstances that go into a player making the money.

On capgeek there is a comparables chart, if you look at all the names that pop up for Grabovski (20 others)... 4 I would take Grabo over for the money Horcoff, Doan (only because of age), Cammalleri, Gionta... the other 16 I would take over Grabo.

But we can move on from this... you like him at 5.5..I am not so in favor of him.