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vejim
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: FL
Joined: 07.08.2007

Jun 18 @ 2:05 PM ET
Any interest in Tony Hand?
- jmatchett383

and Adam Foote?
JAKEw1234
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 2Spookyville, PA
Joined: 03.09.2013

Jun 18 @ 2:06 PM ET
I dont think coburn can move you up 6 spots...Im assuming you are proposing a trade with CAR?
- PhillaBully

Rumour has it Car is willing to move their pick if they receive a top 4 dman as part of the deal. I've heard Coburn + Read + if needs be another prospect for 5th pick. In that scenario we'd have the 5th + the 11th. A more realistic approach would probably include the 11th going back.
Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Jun 18 @ 2:09 PM ET
and Adam Foote?
- vejim


David Backes
flyler
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: LA, CA
Joined: 05.23.2008

Jun 18 @ 2:10 PM ET
One thing is certain, we are going to have at least 1 D man hurt at all times. That said I'd keep Mez as my #7 to start the year. Rotate him in every few games to keep the rust off and sit my most injured (or Timmonen) occaisonally. Problem is he's a large cap hit for a #7.
- FlyersGrace


I feel we have never used Mez properly. I know everyone pencils him in at 5th or 6th, but he's fully capable of playing top line minutes when Healthy. It's just when he's been healthy he's been stuck behind Pronger, Kimmo and Carle. PP, PK, Hitting, Scoring. His power play numbers with Ottawa were impressive for a rookie and while he had struggles in Tampa, so did Luke Schenn struggle at that point in his career with Toronto as well, so do most Defensemen. Of all of our players (including Streit) the guy I would lay the most odds on to actually take over for Pronger & Kimmo IS Meszaros. That's why I hate the idea of moving him. I feel it's another Pat Sharp, Mike Richards or Bobrovsky that's about to happen. My only hope is that the return is closer to the Mike Richards level than the Sharp trade.
PhillaBully
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.20.2010

Jun 18 @ 2:10 PM ET
I'm not. The proposed trade centered around Coburn +11 for 5.
- jmatchett383


it was implied. I dont think coburn + 11th can do it.
Hextall271
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ersson-Ville, NB, NB
Joined: 01.18.2007

Jun 18 @ 2:11 PM ET
Kypreos is saying that we are in on Bernier:

http://www.sportsnet.ca/h...-close-to-moving-bernier/

Fantastic. Let's trade Coutrier for him. Fack,..
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jun 18 @ 2:13 PM ET
it was implied. I dont think coburn + 11th can do it.
- PhillaBully


I never brought it up,it wasn't my proposal. I was just pointing out what the proposal was. I agree, I think it would take more.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jun 18 @ 2:15 PM ET
I feel we have never used Mez properly. I know everyone pencils him in at 5th or 6th, but he's fully capable of playing top line minutes when Healthy. It's just when he's been healthy he's been stuck behind Pronger, Kimmo and Carle. PP, PK, Hitting, Scoring. His power play numbers with Ottawa were impressive for a rookie and while he had struggles in Tampa, so did Luke Schenn struggle at that point in his career with Toronto as well, so do most Defensemen. Of all of our players (including Streit) the guy I would lay the most odds on to actually take over for Pronger & Kimmo IS Meszaros. That's why I hate the idea of moving him. I feel it's another Pat Sharp, Mike Richards or Bobrovsky that's about to happen. My only hope is that the return is closer to the Mike Richards level than the Sharp trade.
- flyler


Unfortunately, there's little market for him right now.
PhillaBully
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.20.2010

Jun 18 @ 2:17 PM ET
Kypreos is saying that we are in on Bernier:

http://www.sportsnet.ca/h...-close-to-moving-bernier/

Fantastic. Let's trade Coutrier for him. Fack,..

- Hextall271


I think the rumor was for Read + ... If its for couturier then i hang up the phone.
Roytastic
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Portland, OR
Joined: 06.18.2013

Jun 18 @ 2:18 PM ET
My roster:

CAPGEEK.COM USER GENERATED ROSTER
My Custom Lineup
FORWARDS
Scott Hartnell ($4.750m) / Claude Giroux ($3.750m) / Jakub Voracek ($4.250m)
Wayne Simmonds ($3.975m) / Brayden Schenn ($3.110m) / Michael Ryder ($3.500m)
Simon Gagne ($2.500m) / Sean Couturier ($1.375m) / Matt Read ($0.900m)
Zac Rinaldo ($0.750m) / Scott Laughton ($1.107m) / Maxime Talbot ($1.750m)
Tye McGinn ($0.775m) / Jay Rosehill ($0.675m) /
DEFENSEMEN
Kimmo Timonen ($6.000m) / Luke Schenn ($3.600m)
Mark Streit ($5.250m) / Braydon Coburn ($4.500m)
Erik Gustafsson ($1.000m) / Nicklas Grossmann ($3.500m)
Chris Pronger ($4.941m) / Bruno Gervais ($0.825m)
Marc-Andre Bourdon ($0.613m) /
GOALTENDERS
Ray Emery ($1.500m)
Steve Mason ($1.500m)
OTHER
Buyout: Oskars Bartulis ($0.100m)
Buyout: Danny Briere ($0.000m)
Buyout: Ilya Bryzgalov ($0.000m)
------
CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled with the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $66,495,595; BONUSES: $2,800,000
CAP SPACE (25-man roster): $604,405

I still think Emery might get more than $1.5 million though.

- NickTheKid87



Ryder
NickTheKid87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 11.19.2010

Jun 18 @ 2:19 PM ET
6 years ago today, the Flyers traded a 1st round pick for the rights to Kimmo Timonen and Scott Hartnell. I was looking through the blog archive and here is what Bill had to say about the two all those years ago:

1) Timonen-- a rock solid defenseman who will add a lot to the Philadelphia blueline-- is 32 years old and the team will be taking a $6.3 million cap hit on him until he's 38. He's worth that right now. Will he be worth that five and six years out?

2) Hartnell is a heart-and-soul type forward who will help Philadelphia-- one of the poorest puck possession teams in the NHL--on the forecheck and add something to the second powerplay unit. The real question with him is whether he's a $4 million player.

Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Jun 18 @ 2:20 PM ET
I think Homer is over a barrel trading Mez. He's selling low on a guy with a $4M cap hit. He'll be lucky to get a 7th round pick.
- johndewar


I'll take it.
PhillaBully
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.20.2010

Jun 18 @ 2:20 PM ET
I feel we have never used Mez properly. I know everyone pencils him in at 5th or 6th, but he's fully capable of playing top line minutes when Healthy. It's just when he's been healthy he's been stuck behind Pronger, Kimmo and Carle. PP, PK, Hitting, Scoring. His power play numbers with Ottawa were impressive for a rookie and while he had struggles in Tampa, so did Luke Schenn struggle at that point in his career with Toronto as well, so do most Defensemen. Of all of our players (including Streit) the guy I would lay the most odds on to actually take over for Pronger & Kimmo IS Meszaros. That's why I hate the idea of moving him. I feel it's another Pat Sharp, Mike Richards or Bobrovsky that's about to happen. My only hope is that the return is closer to the Mike Richards level than the Sharp trade.
- flyler


Unfortunately the guy is made out of glass. I don't think anyone questions his skills, its his ability to stay healthy at this point.
NickTheKid87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 11.19.2010

Jun 18 @ 2:20 PM ET
Ryder
- Roytastic


Might even be able to get him for less than $3.5 mill.
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Jun 18 @ 2:20 PM ET
My roster:

CAPGEEK.COM USER GENERATED ROSTER
My Custom Lineup
FORWARDS
Scott Hartnell ($4.750m) / Claude Giroux ($3.750m) / Jakub Voracek ($4.250m)
Wayne Simmonds ($3.975m) / Brayden Schenn ($3.110m) / Michael Ryder ($3.500m)
Simon Gagne ($2.500m) / Sean Couturier ($1.375m) / Matt Read ($0.900m)
Zac Rinaldo ($0.750m) / Scott Laughton ($1.107m) / Maxime Talbot ($1.750m)
Tye McGinn ($0.775m) / Jay Rosehill ($0.675m) /
DEFENSEMEN
Kimmo Timonen ($6.000m) / Luke Schenn ($3.600m)
Mark Streit ($5.250m) / Braydon Coburn ($4.500m)
Erik Gustafsson ($1.000m) / Nicklas Grossmann ($3.500m)
Chris Pronger ($4.941m) / Bruno Gervais ($0.825m)
Marc-Andre Bourdon ($0.613m) /
GOALTENDERS
Ray Emery ($1.500m)
Steve Mason ($1.500m)
OTHER
Buyout: Oskars Bartulis ($0.100m)
Buyout: Danny Briere ($0.000m)
Buyout: Ilya Bryzgalov ($0.000m)
------
CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled with the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $66,495,595; BONUSES: $2,800,000
CAP SPACE (25-man roster): $604,405

I still think Emery might get more than $1.5 million though.

- NickTheKid87


I'd be fine with this roster.

Plus, we still have "Pronger Dollars" to spend.
Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Jun 18 @ 2:21 PM ET
Emerick + Daft Punk

http://deadspin.com/mike-...daft-punk-mashu-514047086

jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jun 18 @ 2:21 PM ET
6 years ago today, the Flyers traded a 1st round pick for the rights to Kimmo Timonen and Scott Hartnell. I was looking through the blog archive and here is what Bill had to say about the two all those years ago:

1) Timonen-- a rock solid defenseman who will add a lot to the Philadelphia blueline-- is 32 years old and the team will be taking a $6.3 million cap hit on him until he's 38. He's worth that right now. Will he be worth that five and six years out?

2) Hartnell is a heart-and-soul type forward who will help Philadelphia-- one of the poorest puck possession teams in the NHL--on the forecheck and add something to the second powerplay unit. The real question with him is whether he's a $4 million player.

- NickTheKid87


That's still a heck of a trade. End of the line Forsberg for Parent, Upshall, Timonen, and Hartnell.
mydoglicks
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: downingtown, PA
Joined: 06.25.2009

Jun 18 @ 2:22 PM ET
Damn Streit
- BulliesPhan87


BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

Jun 18 @ 2:22 PM ET
@tpanotchCSN - Flyers would move Matt Read in a deal for Bernier. But Kings would likely want Jakub Voracek as main piece - speed, scoring.
mydoglicks
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: downingtown, PA
Joined: 06.25.2009

Jun 18 @ 2:22 PM ET
maybe laught, but i just swa the kings want cooter for bernier..is this a joke or are they giving us more back?
youarewrong
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 07.07.2010

Jun 18 @ 2:23 PM ET
I dont think coburn can move you up 6 spots...Im assuming you are proposing a trade with CAR?
- PhillaBully


I actually think for Flyers to get to 5, they are going to have to include Edmonton. Both Edmonton and Carolina have said they are willing to trade down. So I would assume Meszaors, 11th, and 2nd to Edmonton for 7th overall, and Coburn and 7th overall for 5th overall and the rights to Corvo.
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Jun 18 @ 2:23 PM ET
I think the rumor was for Read + ... If its for couturier then i hang up the phone.
- PhillaBully


Agreed.
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Jun 18 @ 2:24 PM ET
@tpanotchCSN - Flyers would move Matt Read in a deal for Bernier. But Kings would likely want Jakub Voracek as main piece - speed, scoring.
- BulliesPhan87


Here, LA, take all of the LOLs.

You can't have Jake Voracek for your backup goaltender.

Enjoy the 2nd round pick when he gets an offer sheet!
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jun 18 @ 2:24 PM ET
I actually think for Flyers to get to 5, they are going to have to include Edmonton. Both Edmonton and Carolina have said they are willing to trade down. So I would assume Meszaors, 11th, and 2nd to Edmonton for 7th overall, and Coburn and 7th overall for 5th overall and the rights to Corvo.
- youarewrong


So Coburn, Meszaros, 11th overall, and 2nd for 5th overall and rights to another PP specialist?
vejim
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: FL
Joined: 07.08.2007

Jun 18 @ 2:25 PM ET
I think the rumor was for Read + ... If its for couturier then i hang up the phone.
- PhillaBully

if Homer trades Cooty for another goalie he should be hung
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