Dubinsky is also 27 while Simmonds is 24. Simmonds offensive production has been steadily on the uptick while dubinskys has fallen off over the last few years
- Just5

Dubinsky is an older player, and has played 7 NHL Seasons compared to 5 for Simmonds. And he certainly hasn't been equal to Simmonds the last couple of years.
- MJL

lol it doesn't really matter that dubinsky's played 7 seasons as opposed to 5 or that he's 3 years older. they're still very, very similar players and both top-6 forwards.

yes dubi's production has fallen off the past couple seasons but he was still seen as a guy that could score who just had 1 off year when he was traded.

I think Ryan's contract decreases his value. Two years is a lot to give up all those players for. I think he'll be a flyer when his contract is up. No need to trade for him now
- PhillaBully

i think most people would tell you his contract is really, really good. $5.4 million for a guaranteed 30 goal scorer for at least 2 more years? that's awesome.

You must have OCD...you just can't let it go. If I was in a protracted discussion about CBA matters, I'd have my a$$ handed to me, but we're talking about negotiations, MKT conditions and leverage here. If you choose to believe that lock in scenarios are good business strategy, run w/ that, but when you lack flexibility and/or you are overcommitted time and again- like the flyers- you've failed to grasp a basic axiom of negotiations.
- isaiah520

This is the NHL. And all you have to do is look at history. Which proves the statement of you lock in you lose. Is inaccurate. The Flyers don't lack flexibility. What they do have is conviction, and going after what they want. This is Pro Sports. It's not the outside business World. The Flyers are willing to spend money to win. It's one of the great things about the current ownership group and their philosophies. Right or wrong.

I thought the Rangers made a great trade. But it's a stretch to call John Moore a top 4 D man. He certainly has that potential. But not yet.
- MJL

he took over MDZ's top-4 spot at the end of the year and was playing in the top-4 along with mcdonagh, girardi, and stralman, and he has been QBing our PP. this kid is a hidden gem in this deal and was the key piece to it i think. he's like mcdonagh 2.0.

This is the NHL. And all you have to do is look at history. Which proves the statement of you lock in you lose. Is inaccurate. The Flyers don't lack flexibility. What they do have is conviction, and going after what they want. This is Pro Sports. It's not the outside business World. The Flyers are willing to spend money to win. It's one of the great things about the current ownership group and their philosophies. Right or wrong.
- MJL

i think the flyers are guilty of doing too many crazy shakeups and throwing around money a bit too much like pegula did a summer or 2 ago. your GM lacks any patience.

i'm still not sure i agree with the richards and carter trades. i understand that you guys got a hell of a return, but at the same time, you guys went to the finals with those guys and i don't think it's a coincidence the kings won the cup with those guys. they're very skilled and both players that are better than any players you received in the deals. you guys kinda got quantity over quality with those trades. that's not to say the players you got are bad at all, but carter and richards are just still better players.

lol it doesn't really matter that dubinsky's played 7 seasons as opposed to 5 or that he's 3 years older. they're still very, very similar players and both top-6 forwards.

- rangerdanger94

It certainly does matter when you tell me that Dubinsky has had more Seasons of scoring well then Simmonds has. Bottom line is that right now, Dubinsky is not the player that Simmonds is. Simmonds is ascending. Dubinsky is descending. We'll see if that changes in the future.

You misunderstood. The hit is ok yeah. The issue though us will he resign with the team he was traded too?thats the risk... Do you give up all those assets for a two year rental?

Sure looking forward to the opening in the QMJHL season and Moncton @ Halifax on 09/12

he took over MDZ's top-4 spot at the end of the year and was playing in the top-4 along with mcdonagh, girardi, and stralman, and he has been QBing our PP. this kid is a hidden gem in this deal and was the key piece to it i think. he's like mcdonagh 2.0.
- rangerdanger94

Lol lauridsen played in our top 4 this year and did ok... Doesn't make him a reliable top 4 dmen

It certainly does matter when you tell me that Dubinsky has had more Seasons of scoring well then Simmonds has. Bottom line is that right now, Dubinsky is not the player that Simmonds is. Simmonds is ascending. Dubinsky is descending. We'll see if that changes in the future.
- MJL

my argument is that they are both top-6 players.

i'm sorry but no matter how you cut it, they are.

You misunderstood. The hit is ok yeah. The issue though us will he resign with the team he was traded too?thats the risk... Do you give up all those assets for a two year rental?
- PhillaBully

Not right now, no. Unless you're turning around and trading Brayden Schenn for Coburn's replacement. A better replacement hopefully.

Doing great! It's a boy, Joseph William. 9 lbs 6 oz. 21.25" long. Born at 4:08.
- Flyskippy

congrats to you and the family, skip! very happy for you!

i think the flyers are guilty of doing too many crazy shakeups and throwing around money a bit too much like pegula did a summer or 2 ago. your GM lacks any patience.

i'm still not sure i agree with the richards and carter trades. i understand that you guys got a hell of a return, but at the same time, you guys went to the finals with those guys and i don't think it's a coincidence the kings won the cup with those guys. they're very skilled and both players that are better than any players you received in the deals. you guys kinda got quantity over quality with those trades. that's not to say the players you got are bad at all, but carter and richards are just still better players.
- rangerdanger94

Well the jury is still out on that. And I would disagree that they got quantity over quality. Voracek is pretty much on the level or close to the level of Carter alone. And Couturier has a high potential. Simmonds is a very good player, and we'll see how Schenn turns out. Bottom line is the jury is still out on if the Flyers will be better in the long run from making those deals.

No.


- wolfhounds

just can't help themselves. both the media and management.

i think the flyers are guilty of doing too many crazy shakeups and throwing around money a bit too much like pegula did a summer or 2 ago. your GM lacks any patience.

i'm still not sure i agree with the richards and carter trades. i understand that you guys got a hell of a return, but at the same time, you guys went to the finals with those guys and i don't think it's a coincidence the kings won the cup with those guys. they're very skilled and both players that are better than any players you received in the deals. you guys kinda got quantity over quality with those trades. that's not to say the players you got are bad at all, but carter and richards are just still better players.
- rangerdanger94

Meh that's debatable... Carter and Richards aren't needed here. I would take Schenn voracek couturier Simmonds over those guys.

my argument is that they are both top-6 players.

i'm sorry but no matter how you cut it, they are.
- rangerdanger94

Dubinsky has been in the past. His current rate of production the last two Seasons suggest he's not. He's showing a strong regression in play.

@DNFlyers: Holmgren told Winter that Bryzgalov was one of the Flyers' best players and he was "not the problem."

I think I'm gonna throw up

Lol lauridsen played in our top 4 this year and did ok... Doesn't make him a reliable top 4 dmen
- PhillaBully

no offense but i think i know more about what type of a dman moore is than you from watching him a lot more.

after a couple games after the deadline of watching moore, the fans on the rangers boards were calling for moore to play in the top-4 for the rest of the season. this kid is a former 1st round pick that was projected to be drafted in the top 10-15.

Meh that's debatable... Carter and Richards aren't needed here. I would take Schenn voracek couturier Simmonds over those guys.
- PhillaBully

yea it's certainly debatable. again, you guys got a hell of a return for those 2 guys and the trades worked out nicely for you.

voracek is the closest player out of any of those guys to carter or richards but carter is a 40 goal scorer and richards is a 30 goal scorer and they played a key part in your finals run and a key part in the kings' cup victory is all i'm saying.

yea it's certainly debatable. again, you guys got a hell of a return for those 2 guys and the trades worked out nicely for you.

voracek is the closest player out of any of those guys to carter or richards but carter is a 40 goal scorer and richards is a 30 goal scorer and they played a key part in your finals run and a key part in the kings' cup victory is all i'm saying.
- rangerdanger94

Richards played 16 minutes a night and is more of a role player on that squad. Love him as a player, but I think we've already seen his peak as a point producer.

@DNFlyers: Holmgren told Winter that Bryzgalov was one of the Flyers' best players and he was "not the problem."

I think I'm gonna throw up
- FLYERSROCK!

Thought that was Snider?

I honestly think Bobby Ryan is exactly what this team needs. Ryan has just become a bit of a joke over the past couple years because he is linked to the Flyers the same way Lindros was to the Leafs for so long. I believe Giroux could give Ryan the career seasons Malkin has given Neal. It would be a great marriage it just has to come at the right price. Giroux needs a sniper and Ryan needs a chance to be a go to guy. I think Ryan trade here would benefit him the same way it has Simmonds and Voracek. Ryan might need out of Selanne and Perry's shadow to have real success. Of course this could be a reach...

DO NOT GIVE UP THE 11TH PICK

@DNFlyers: Holmgren told Winter that Bryzgalov was one of the Flyers' best players and he was "not the problem."

I think I'm gonna throw up
- FLYERSROCK!

Actually this past season that is probably true.

he took over MDZ's top-4 spot at the end of the year and was playing in the top-4 along with mcdonagh, girardi, and stralman, and he has been QBing our PP. this kid is a hidden gem in this deal and was the key piece to it i think. he's like mcdonagh 2.0.
- rangerdanger94

In the playoffs MDZ averaged 3:14 on the PP. Moore averaged 1:22. MDZ averaged 17:10 at ES. Moore 14:59. Equal on the PK. :45 to :46.

Like I said, I think the Rangers made a great trade. He has a lot of potential. Also love McDonaugh. Another great trade.

@DNFlyers: Holmgren told Winter that Bryzgalov was one of the Flyers' best players and he was "not the problem."

I think I'm gonna throw up
- FLYERSROCK!

@DNFlyers: Holmgren told winter to tell his client "omg you are so awesome and everything rofl"

Actually this past season that is probably true.
- MBFlyerfan

For the 1st half yep