He's aware. He's saying that the Flyers will try to make a trade before nuking Bryz
- Jsaquella

I'd imagine some teams will have interest but won't offer of much to get them, might still be worth it to do them.

I don't know how they're starting to pile up. Holmgren tried to do other things, and they didn't work out. I don't see all these mistakes piling up.
- MJL

Exactly, he went all in last summer and it didn't work. You can't blame him for that. Some of the issues that have happened in the last two years you can't put all of the blame on Homer. He has made a few mistakes, but he certainly tries to put together the best team possible. Pronger doesn't get hurt, Weber is matched either of those two things and this team looks a lot different.

I understand your stance but if its the right defenceman its worth it....this team would be totally different with a healthy Pronger...I know this comes up and its coulda woulda shoulda, but with Pronger there is one huge hole that would have to be filled
- nonpoint22

No question about it. That was beyond anyone's control.

Hartnell-Giroux-Voracek
Read-Schenn-Simmonds
McGinn-Couturier-Talbot
Rosehill-Laughton-Rinaldo

Timonen-Coburn
Streit-Schenn
Grossman-Gustafsson

Mason
UFA

This is what we have left assuming Briere, Bryzgalov and Meszaros move on. We need more. Also I would definitely place Coburn and Timonen back together. Coburn just had a down year and he's only has looked like a true shut down guy next to Timonen. Then Schenn is coming off a solid season that might work well with Streit's puck moving...
- dingo8urbaby

Given Streit's questionable defense, I'd rather have Coburn with him, rather than Schenn, who often goes for a hit and loses positioning. Coburn's mobility will help him in a pair with streit.

It'd be nice. Even if they add Bernier, it'd be great to have two young goalies playing well.
- Jsaquella

I don't know if I would rather have that or a more veteran backup like Pitts did with Vokoun and MAF. Arghhhh...so conflicted.

I'd imagine some teams will have interest but won't offer of much to get them, might still be worth it to do them.
- ob18

Even if they dump Meszaros for a 6th, it frees room

Lets see if they stick to that plan this off season after missing the playoffs
- nonpoint22

Which is why I said so far!

He's aware. He's saying that the Flyers will try to make a trade before nuking Bryz
- Jsaquella

Trade for a goalie?

Hartnell-Giroux-Voracek
Read-Schenn-Simmonds
McGinn-Couturier-Talbot
Rosehill-Laughton-Rinaldo

Timonen-Coburn
Streit-Schenn
Grossman-Gustafsson

Mason
UFA

This is what we have left assuming Briere, Bryzgalov and Meszaros move on. We need more. Also I would definitely place Coburn and Timonen back together. Coburn just had a down year and he's only has looked like a true shut down guy next to Timonen. Then Schenn is coming off a solid season that might work well with Streit's puck moving...
- dingo8urbaby

I think you switch Schenner and Coburn.

Douglas Murray just got 2 second rounders at the TDL, and he's horrible. Coburn's issue is that he isn't a guy who can anchor a pair. But he can play 20-24 minutes a night with a good partner. Murray's a 6th defenseman with grit.
- Jsaquella

This...we are so hard on players in Philadelphia sometimes, we don't see the things they do well.

I think Scott Hartnell's averaged, what, 26 or 27 goals per season for the Flyers since he's been here? But sometimes, you'd swear the guy was the worst player in the NHL, to hear some people talk at times.

Even if they dump Meszaros for a 6th, it frees room
- Jsaquella

I'd explore that as well.

Part of the need there is the artificial dropping of the cap. Amazingly enough, they still calculate the cap the same way and if revenue grows like it was prior to the last lockout, the cap will rise fairly quickly.

Let's face it, as long as Snider's not six feet under and driving the car, they're going to spend to and above the cap.

I just wish they'd stop being so reactive.
- Jsaquella

Hartnell-Giroux-Voracek
Read-Schenn-Simmonds
McGinn-Couturier-Talbot
Rosehill-Laughton-Rinaldo

Timonen-Coburn
Streit-Schenn
Grossman-Gustafsson

Mason
UFA

This is what we have left assuming Briere, Bryzgalov and Meszaros move on. We need more. Also I would definitely place Coburn and Timonen back together. Coburn just had a down year and he's only has looked like a true shut down guy next to Timonen. Then Schenn is coming off a solid season that might work well with Streit's puck moving...
- dingo8urbaby

How are they going to move him? What team would trade him, he is completely broken.

Given Streit's questionable defense, I'd rather have Coburn with him, rather than Schenn, who often goes for a hit and loses positioning. Coburn's mobility will help him in a pair with streit.
- Jsaquella

Timonen helped Schenn's play a lot, might as well keep that pairing and continue to learn from the vet. And it'll allow him to play his game he succeeds with.

Streit and Coburn sounds like a good pairing.

After that it's up in the air.

How are they going to move him? What team would trade him, he is completely broken.
- LJF

We don't know how "broken" he is. I am hopefully that this recent rash of injuries is at an end. I am actually more concerned with Grossmann's conclusion issues.

No question about it. That was beyond anyone's control.
- MJL

Oh I know, but when you see some of quotes it almost seems like we blame the organization for his injury....I know its part of moving on but we need to realize that we lost an all world d man....take that off any good team and there in a similar position imho

I don't know if I would rather have that or a more veteran backup like Pitts did with Vokoun and MAF. Arghhhh...so conflicted.
- section32

Go with the two young goalies to push each other and maybe, if your lucky, you end up with LA situation where there about to get a least one piece for there backup

Oh I know, but when you see some of quotes it almost seems like we blame the organization for his injury....I know its part of moving on but we need to realize that we lost an all world d man....take that off any good team and there in a similar position imho
- nonpoint22

It seems as if you believe some of what is written on here. That they are a inept Organization, with a incompetent GM that has no clue what he's doing.

GID Homer :D
Read for Berns
- FLYERSROCK!

I'm with ya.

How are they going to move him? What team would trade him, he is completely broken.
- LJF

maybe a floor team

We don't know how "broken" he is. I am hopefully that this recent rash of injuries is at an end. I am actually more concerned with Grossmann's conclusion issues.
- section32

My conclusion is that I'm concerned with both of them.

This...we are so hard on players in Philadelphia sometimes, we don't see the things they do well.

I think Scott Hartnell's averaged, what, 26 or 27 goals per season for the Flyers since he's been here? But sometimes, you'd swear the guy was the worst player in the NHL, to hear some people talk at times.
- AllInForFlyers

Stats arent everything though. Hartnell has taken so many dumb penalties that he certainly deserves some of the flack he gets.

You can say the same thing about Briere's stats too. Do all those goals make up for seeming to have little to no interest playing team D?

You have to take a lot more into account than just the numbers.

Hartnell-Giroux-Voracek
Read-Schenn-Simmonds
McGinn-Couturier-Talbot
Rosehill-Laughton-Rinaldo

Timonen-Coburn
Streit-Schenn
Grossman-Gustafsson

Mason
UFA

This is what we have left assuming Briere, Bryzgalov and Meszaros move on. We need more. Also I would definitely place Coburn and Timonen back together. Coburn just had a down year and he's only has looked like a true shut down guy next to Timonen. Then Schenn is coming off a solid season that might work well with Streit's puck moving...
- dingo8urbaby

Obviously not what the final roster will be, but that isn't a playoff type roster. Take in account the crippling injuries that will happen and the depth (which is thin) will be tested.

Timonen helped Schenn's play a lot, might as well keep that pairing and continue to learn from the vet. And it'll allow him to play his game he succeeds with.

Streit and Coburn sounds like a good pairing.

After that it's up in the air.
- Viktory

Kimmo Schenn
Streit Coburn
Gus Grossmann

Looks decent to me. I honestly have no clue anymore if Grossmann is healthy or not though.

Obviously not what the final roster will be, but that isn't a playoff type roster. Take in account the crippling injuries that will happen and the depth (which is thin) will be tested.
- PLindbergh31

I think it's a playoff roster. And I'm going to be optimistic that they avoid crippling injuries.