I think the PENS also did a huge favor for DAL in giving them a top young puck moving D (J Morrow) for B Morrow who turned out to be a fantasic 4th line guy, most of the time, for the 7-10 mins he played each night...
- mventres

yeah. its definitely easier with the hindsight, but still. it is pretty crappy to imagine how much better a return morrow probably could have gotten.

Lu will never be in PITT. Shero + ownership despise long contracts for anybody except their young core players. If Lu is bought out, maybe they consider a 3 year deal...
- mventres

I wasnt implying he would be there... I'm just saying he could handle it... Pens market has nothing on the Nucks other than a little bit more NBC coverage. I've heard this time and time again... Of course he wouldn't be a pen on his current contract.... It goes without saying

I think the PENS also did a huge favor for DAL in giving them a top young puck moving D (J Morrow) for B Morrow who turned out to be a fantasic 4th line guy, most of the time, for the 7-10 mins he played each night...
- mventres

Worst deal of Shero's tenure.

There's probably about 10 teams that could be possible landing spots. Got to be a contender. Got to be prepared to pay him 7.5 to 8. Got to be a good hockey market. Basically all the things that a high profile FA would want.

yeah. its definitely easier with the hindsight, but still. it is pretty crappy to imagine how much better a return morrow probably could have gotten.
- stayinthefnnet

Hindsight? Pretty sure most people were as shocked as I was about that deal...

Worst deal of Shero's tenure.

There's probably about 10 teams that could be possible landing spots. Got to be a contender. Got to be prepared to pay him 7.5 to 8. Got to be a good hockey market. Basically all the things that a high profile FA would want.
- madmike71

Plus, if via trade, it is very very very very likely to be a western conference team...

ANA, CHI, COL, DET, EDM (if Letang sees them as breaking out soon), STL, VAN

Of these, CHI, DET are least likely due to current roster, cap issues or just not the right parts for a return that PITT would be interested in. That leaves.

ANA, COL, EDM, STL, VAN

Hindsight? Pretty sure most people were as shocked as I was about that deal...
- mventres

true. i was a little upset at the time as well. but still, i know the if game is a dangerous thing, but if they were still playing now and morrow was providing that gritty leadership role and chipping in here and there offensively, ultimately putting the team over the top, then it doesnt sting nearly as bad.

bottom line is shero paid a premium, yes, and it just didnt work out. would it have still been a premium had it worked out, definitely, but it would be viewed entirely differently.

Boston has a winning strategy. Even Chicago is finding it tough.

true. i was a little upset at the time as well. but still, i know the if game is a dangerous thing, but if they were still playing now and morrow was providing that gritty leadership role and chipping in here and there offensively, ultimately putting the team over the top, then it doesnt sting nearly as bad.

bottom line is shero paid a premium, yes, and it just didnt work out. would it have still been a premium had it worked out, definitely, but it would be viewed entirely differently.
- stayinthefnnet

I see your point. My issue at the time was not necc the premium - that is expected at the deadline. It was B Morrow, he was simply playing horrible, and I think was even scratched a couple of games in DAL...not somebody I would have gambled that much on...

Boston has a winning strategy. Even Chicago is finding it tough.
- cygnus41

Indeed. Extremely well coached team and high hockey IQ and disciplined players (in the sense of sticking with the system).

I see your point. My issue at the time was not necc the premium - that is expected at the deadline. It was B Morrow, he was simply playing horrible, and I think was even scratched a couple of games in DAL...not somebody I would have gambled that much on...
- mventres

yeah, i understand. i guess they thought he would find a little juice in his legs for a title push, which the end of the season made me think he might. but the bottom line is that the boston series is pretty much the reason he was sought after, and he really didnt deliver anything.

goes down as one of sheros few mistakes so far. wouldve been nice to see morrow packaged into a longer lasting asset

Hindsight? Pretty sure most people were as shocked as I was about that deal...
- mventres

I was beyond angry they made that trade when it went down.

yeah. ill believe they can get a return even in the ballpark of decent for him when i see it.

just throwing it out there, any interest in throwing darts in berniers direction?
- stayinthefnnet

pass on Bernier. I see the second coming of Lindback.

Vancouver is more of a hockey town than Philly in that hockey is actually the far and away dominant sport... But they are on equal ground as both teams have die hard fans.

No one can say that he can't hold up in a b c market just cause he didn't win a Stanley Cup... I'd say the rigors of Vancouver have prepped him ready for just about any suitor asking for him... Including Pittsburgh
- nelson911

Philly fans would run Luongo out of town if he doesn't meet high expectations. Chances of him succeeding there would be small. He doesn't have the capacity IMO.

Could they have? I think a certain GM was saying he had offers to build up to get a better return. I don't think he could have gotten rid of him at the deadline.
- Oneonta Penguin

Apparently they could have had a deal with Toronto for picks but they went around for other offers and Toronto must not have liked that.

Wow buddy... You're sounding more hilarious by the minute... I'll agree if you said Nabokov... But Lu... Omg... I've been a huge Fleury backer but he is the worst... It's laughable... Amazing physical tools, terrible mindset...

As for bringing up Lu's stats since the cup, his team has played like crap and has been thrown into the blender while being on the bench... Can't just take his low moments...

I'm guessing no one here actually watches full games with him in season and follows the team.
- nelson911

I watch Vancouver games. Dude is a fragile goalie that has had minimal success in the play-offs. He is one fragile dude. Nothing I've said was laughable. He is a major risk in a hockey town. He has a major confidence problem.

pass on Bernier. I see the second coming of Lindback.
- Oneonta Penguin

i wouldnt go as far to say that there is no possibility of that, but for some reason i just feel that he is going to be a pretty damn good starter if given the chance

I watch Vancouver games. Dude is a fragile goalie that has had minimal success in the play-offs. He is one fragile dude. Nothing I've said was laughable. He is a major risk in a hockey town. He has a major confidence problem.
- Oneonta Penguin

id pass on luongo as well. unless he was bought out, that contract is enough for me to stop thinking about it before i even think about weighing the pros and cons of his play

Apparently they could have had a deal with Toronto for picks but they went around for other offers and Toronto must not have liked that.
- Genev21

I'm not going to buy they had a deal with Toronto. Can a GM be that dumb, if there was? I don't think too much of him to begin with. He, along with Sather, Feaster, Holmgren are among the worst in the business.

i wouldnt go as far to say that there is no possibility of that, but for some reason i just feel that he is going to be a pretty damn good starter if given the chance
- stayinthefnnet

I think bernier is going to be the real deal.

I'm not going to buy they had a deal with Toronto. Can a GM be that dumb, if there was? I don't think too much of him to begin with. He, along with Sather, Feaster, Holmgren are among the worst in the business.
- Oneonta Penguin

That's what I saw on tsn during the deadline. They were talking about how Toronto looked at it like try we're doing the Canucks a favor and Vancouver was actually trying to make a legitimate trade. Completely botched by Vancouver take the picks and you can start fresh complete mess

I think bernier is going to be the real deal.
- Genev21

so do i. i realize the risk, but im drinking the kool aid on that one. however, i dont see any way in which a deal would be feasible between the kings and pens for him, even if the fleury situation wasnt the gorilla in the room

Indeed. Extremely well coached team and high hockey IQ and disciplined players (in the sense of sticking with the system).
- mventres

After game 1 its basically been the exact same script. Pressing on the forecheck, awesome through the neutral zone, killing every penalty. They have a balanced enough attack to score one or two goals eventually and they're not letting any in.

Pens and Hawks have both looked completely disorganised against them on the powerplay. Bylsma needs to look long and hard at the work they do through the neutral zone and with their sticks inside the bluelines.

Philly fans would run Luongo out of town if he doesn't meet high expectations. Chances of him succeeding there would be small. He doesn't have the capacity IMO.
- Oneonta Penguin

I resent that remark. We would run him out of town whether he did poorly or great.

That's what I saw on tsn during the deadline. They were talking about how Toronto looked at it like try we're doing the Canucks a favor and Vancouver was actually trying to make a legitimate trade. Completely botched by Vancouver take the picks and you can start fresh complete mess
- Genev21

Well, if there is any truth to this, Vancouver ownership should have fired the GM's ass. He signs Luongo to a ludicrous contract; cries that they can't deal him and tries to create deals that weren't there; puts his team in a mess (goaltending controversy and right up to the cap) and didn't trade him when he had a chance - even if it was for a fourth and fifth round picks? He moves to the worst GM in the business - even worse than the fool in Philly.

I resent that remark. We would run him out of town whether he did poorly or great.
- Daman

No use of third person? WOW