Hes Canadian why wouldn't he pump the tires of Canadians and when theres 30 of the 40 players being in the finals every year that are Canadian he makes a good point. The one thing I disagree with alittle that he says is getting the sticks out of the way of the shot, for every goal that goes in off a stick theres ten in that same game that are deflected out of the way, worth the one goal that goes in then facing those ten shots.
- time2produce

Yak celebrates excessively. He's being a cocky female dog russian child running his mouth off at the defeated kings. Kadri tackles the boards in excitement, he's a passionate, skilled hockey player with so much heart. kiss worthy

you're right. hey zetterberg had more points than tavares and his team made the playoffs! Hart! Hart!

Tavares had the same effect Hall had on EDM. Only difference is people like to believe a talented canadian boy picked NYI out of the ditch and carried them on his back to the playoffs. It's the Pierre Mcguire koolaid
- TheNugeIsHuge

but zetterbergs team is far better no?

and hall again...
there's one giant difference that u keep ignoring, tavares' team made the playoffs. hall's didn't come close. again, this is important in a hart nomination.

you're sarcasm and continued references to hall are doing nothing for your argument


im sorry that u don't like the voting parameters of the hart trophy. but they are what they are. take it up with the league. don't blame an obvious choice in Tavares for it

why do you guys keep bringing up hall? his team had no success. this is an important part of the hart. do we not understand this yet after all these years of hart nominees??
does anyone think bobrovsky wasn't integral to his team? but they didn't make the playoffs. hence no nomination.

no team makes the playoffs with only one good player in todays game. no ones sayin the isles had no one else/ what we are saying is; no Tavares, no playoffs. all of these together equal a nomination

if you feel some other guys deserved nominations instead, i wouldn't argue too much with at least the possibility after some reasoned arguments. or maybe you just don't like the parameters of the hart nominations. that's fine too, but another argument altogether.
but as far as hall goes, he had no chance to be nominated with the end results of his team
- hugefemale dog77

If the logic is no tavares no playoffs, that's why he's a hart nominee. Explain to me how crosby is a nominee? They made it without him last year? no crosby no problem.

Hall was equally, if not more valuable to EDM than Tavares was to NYI. He didn't carry NYI anywhere. He was about as influential as any 1C is. Tavares was absolutely not the MVP

but his team is far better no? and hall again...
and there's one giant difference that u keep ignoring, tavares' team made the playoffs. hall's didn't come close

you're sarcasm and continued references to hall are doing nothing for your argument


im sorry that u don't like the voting parameters of the hart trophy. but they are what they are. take it up with the league. don't blame an obvious choice in Tavares for it
- hugefemale dog77

so if EDM squeeks in the playoffs and is out in 6, Hall wins it. Alright, I gotcha!

so if EDM squeeks in the playoffs and is out in 6, Hall wins it. Alright, I gotcha!
- TheNugeIsHuge

well he's certainly far more of a consideration anyway.

if u don't make the playoffs, you don't get real consideration. take it up with the league

If the logic is no tavares no playoffs, that's why he's a hart nominee. Explain to me how crosby is a nominee? They made it without him last year? no crosby no problem.

Hall was equally, if not more valuable to EDM than Tavares was to NYI. He didn't carry NYI anywhere. He was about as influential as any 1C is. Tavares was absolutely not the MVP
- TheNugeIsHuge

i personally don't think crosby deserved to be a nominee. but that's neither here nor there. i suppose his utter and complete and dominance had a lot to do with any nomination.

and Tavares wasn't the mvp of his team? do u actually believe that? yes he clearly was. and u wont find an islander player, coach, or fan who would say different.

well he's certainly far more of a consideration anyway.

if u don't make the playoffs, you don't get real consideration. take it up with the league
- hugefemale dog77

say EDM makes it and is beaten in 6 by CHI. Is Hall the one getting robbed?

i personally don't think crosby deserved to be a nominee. but that's neither here nor there. i suppose his utter and complete and dominance had a lot to do with any nomination.

and Tavares wasn't the mvp of his team? do u actually believe that? yes he clearly was. and u wont find an islander player, coach, or fan who would say different.
- hugefemale dog77

MVP of a team is completely different than MVP of the league. Hall was EDM's MVP.

say EDM makes it and is beaten in 6 by CHI. Is Hall the one getting robbed?
- TheNugeIsHuge

who got robbed? i don't understand the reference.

MVP of a team is completely different than MVP of the league. Hall was EDM's MVP.
- TheNugeIsHuge

So who would you have picked as the league MVP?

So who would you have picked as the league MVP?
- TheTaoOfSemenko

the player most valuable to his team in the league was Bobrovsky, if not him for not making the playoffs, then Suter

who got robbed? i don't understand the reference.
- hugefemale dog77

people claim Tavares was robbed of the Hart. If EDM had made it as far as NYI, does Hall get nominated, and get "robbed" like people say about JT?

MVP of a team is completely different than MVP of the league. Hall was EDM's MVP.
- TheNugeIsHuge

well Tavares didn't win the league mvp. ovi did.

but either way Tavares was the mvp of his team. which was a pretty mediocre team imo. and wouldn't have enjoyed the same type of success without him.

as far as the definitions and parameters of hart trophy voting. he's in my top 3 for sure

while it's a small sample size, Hall won like 55% of his face-offs. Is anybody that opposed to him moving to C?
MPS-RNH-Ebs
Yak-Hall-Gags

That's way better down the middle

I love Dreger and Mckenzie, and even Friedman and Reid are okay in doses, but I cannot watch Stock, Cherry, or Mcguire. I could do a better job than those dumbasses.

In the second round, Stock said of Toews was winning more faceoffs they'd be winning he said quote "you just gotta pull your stick back to win it"
- TheNugeIsHuge

OK enough is enough I call bullshyt. (frank)I am not the smartest poster here but this guy makes me look like a genious.

OK enough is enough I call bullshyt. (frank)I am not the smartest poster here but this guy makes me look like a genious.
- longbottom

try me (but not now I gotta go)

people claim Tavares was robbed of the Hart. If EDM had made it as far as NYI, does Hall get nominated, and get "robbed" like people say about JT?
- TheNugeIsHuge

robbed is a bit strong. ovi's a pretty good choice too.

and if we actually made the playoffs, hall would certainly be considered. but in that case maybe other guys stepped up etc etc. maybe hall did it all by himself. its kind of a nonsense question with way too many variables.

the player most valuable to his team in the league was Bobrovsky, if not him for not making the playoffs, then Suter
- TheNugeIsHuge

A non-playoff player is probably never going to win it. Part of the deal. Goalies have their own trophy anyways.

Suter...meh. Agree Crosby shouldn't have been nominated.

Don't ever put Don Cherry on a list with those guys. Don cherry is awesome and has the balls to tell it like it is. Makes bold statements and sticks by them and is right more than half the time. Don cherry knows more about hockey than anyone on this site a million times over. Come on man you usually have good things to contribute but to say Don Cherry is dumb regarding hockey makes you sound very DUMB.
- time2produce

Don Cherry is a loud mouth female dog

OK enough is enough I call bullshyt. (frank)I am not the smartest poster here but this guy makes me look like a genious.
- longbottom

Dude I am smarter then you... and I am 14. Don Cherry is a loud mouth female dog.

but zetterbergs team is far better no?

and hall again...
there's one giant difference that u keep ignoring, tavares' team made the playoffs. hall's didn't come close. again, this is important in a hart nomination.

you're sarcasm and continued references to hall are doing nothing for your argument


im sorry that u don't like the voting parameters of the hart trophy. but they are what they are. take it up with the league. don't blame an obvious choice in Tavares for it
- hugefemale dog77

Other players through history have won the Hart while their teams have missed the playoffs. Seems to be something new that has popped up in the last while.

Other players through history have won the Hart while their teams have missed the playoffs. Seems to be something new that has popped up in the last while.
- Iggysbff

who?

who?
- hugefemale dog77

Pretty sure its never happened.

Pretty sure its never happened.
- TheTaoOfSemenko

just had a quick look without spending too much time researching. I don't think it has either.

im not sure how many have even been nominated. iginla in 02 is the only one I can think of.

it's just the way it goes. which makes sense in a lot of ways imo. every team has an MVP. some team success needs to be apart of the equation. cuts the field down this way too.

So who would you have picked as the league MVP?
- TheTaoOfSemenko

the guy that won. OV. if not him, then Crosby. The Hart may be going the way of the Adams; the coach who's team overachieved always wins. Its never the guy who coached the actual best team. many of you think the best player on the weakest team that snuck into the playoffs is the MVP. check the definition. 'value'. clearly, OV and Crosby are, BY FAR, the most 'valuable' in terms of not only making their team better, but by adding 'value' to their team and, indeed, to the whole league. no one, makes the league more money and brings more attention then OV and Crosby. AINEFC.