Like I said, Jones works 10x harder then Hemsky. He may not produce because of who he plays with, for Brown, he and Smyth can switch.
- Oilers4Life14

Jones also played the easiest competition of any roster player this year. EDM needs shut down guys that aren't liabilities. Jones is brutal at D zone coverage. His SF/60-SA/60 was -5.4. EDM needs to stop being outshot by 5-10 shots every game. Jones is a negative factor in that equation.

HE DIDN'T CARRY THE TEAM!! (frank) people. Stop eating up the words up pierre mcguire, pj stock, and don cherry, the three dumbest hockey "analysts" I've ever seen
- TheNugeIsHuge

U hate pj too? Thank god. I thought I was the only one. I feel like will ferrel in zoo lander when I watch him on CBC.

Like I said, Jones works 10x harder then Hemsky. He may not produce because of who he plays with, for Brown, he and Smyth can switch.
- Oilers4Life14

I never even mentioned jones. but he better work harder!! he has absolutely zero skill.

putting ales hemsky on the 4th, while putting ryan jones on the 3rd line at the same position is ridiculous.

hemsky needs badly to be moved and ryan jones can be a 4th liner/extra forward at best

Arcobello?
- Oilers4Life14

Oil just resigned him to a one year deal. A stop gap for the start of the season if needed. Nice call.

U hate pj too? Thank god. I thought I was the only one. I feel like will ferrel in zoo lander when I watch him on CBC.
- unkydav

I love Dreger and Mckenzie, and even Friedman and Reid are okay in doses, but I cannot watch Stock, Cherry, or Mcguire. I could do a better job than those dumbasses.

In the second round, Stock said of Toews was winning more faceoffs they'd be winning he said quote "you just gotta pull your stick back to win it"

Oil just resigned him to a one year deal. A stop gap for the start of the season if needed. Nice call.
- unkydav

I wonder if this Andrew Miller'll have the same career path as Arcobello. Virtually same size and same production in college.

HE DIDN'T CARRY THE TEAM!! (frank) people. Stop eating up the words up pierre mcguire, pj stock, and don cherry, the three dumbest hockey "analysts" I've ever seen
- TheNugeIsHuge

Don't ever put Don Cherry on a list with those guys. Don cherry is awesome and has the balls to tell it like it is. Makes bold statements and sticks by them and is right more than half the time. Don cherry knows more about hockey than anyone on this site a million times over. Come on man you usually have good things to contribute but to say Don Cherry is dumb regarding hockey makes you sound very DUMB.

yeah he did for the most part. no Tavares. no playoffs for the isles. period.

u need to stop using halls stats as some sort of measuring stick. our team didn't make the playoffs. so what that u think hall's better. he clearly wasn't more valuable to his team.

have u seen matt moulson skate? he provides an essential style to provide Tavares room etc. but NO CHANCE he gets points like that without Tavares. I don't care what pierre McGuire says, I watch the isles. not only that, but virtually every isles fan/player would and has said the same thing.

its not about who's the best player in the game. its about who matters most to their teams success.
and I think for sure ovi and Tavares deserved nominations. the only guy they left out was bobrovsky.
- hugefemale dog77

Sorry but I call bullpoop. Everyone was saying the same about PA Parenteau. That he would fall off with out Tavares. Not only did he not fall off, he had his best season yet with the Av's.

I love Tavares. But the hype around him this year was crap. Made up by the media talking heads.

Sorry but I call bullpoop. Everyone was saying the same about PA Parenteau. That he would fall off with out Tavares. Not only did he not fall off, he had his best season yet with the Av's.

I love Tavares. But the hype around him this year was crap. Made up by the media talking heads.
- Iggysbff

I mean he had a great year, not MVP worthy. Hall had a better season and didn't finish top 30 in hart voting.

I agree to a point but to say taxes and weather aren't an important reason why players don't come here is just wrong. Please don't ever compare Detroit and Edmonton again milessssss apart as in hockey clubs. Datsyuk,Zetterberg, just lost one of the best D ever in Lidstrom and still made it to the 2nd round of the playoffs almost the 3rd. The best coach in my eyes in the last ten years not to mention Scott bowmen behind the scences. They also have made the playoffs every year for the last 20 years with afew cups. Except for are lucky run in 06 with Pronger please tell me how we are comparable to the wings again? We had Gretzky,kurri,Coffey,Messier,Fuhr back in the 80s not so much now.
- time2produce

I was comparing cities not teams...

Arcobello?
- Oilers4Life14

If we cant sign someone why not, its only afew months and lets us see if he will become a regular.

Don't ever put Don Cherry on a list with those guys. Don cherry is awesome and has the balls to tell it like it is. Makes bold statements and sticks by them and is right more than half the time. Don cherry knows more about hockey than anyone on this site a million times over. Come on man you usually have good things to contribute but to say Don Cherry is dumb regarding hockey makes you sound very DUMB.
- time2produce

Maybe if you're 50+ and love old time hockey, he's a smart guy to you. Far far too much of what he says is common sense or nonsense. And his hate for anyone non canadian is annoying.

iheard a rumbling that halak was avail. I wpuld think a pick and a mid lvl prospect would be worth giving up to aquire him.

as for the first round pick, Im of the thinking we need to trade it. clouts drives me nuts with his thinking that a team filled with rookies will be a contender. its takes depth and balance. trade the pick, I'm sure theres a few teams that would bite.
- munky123

There are about 30 free agent goalies available this summer. There is zero need to trade assets for a backup.

"So if a team that has six - 1st overall picks (Hall, Eberle, Nugent-Hopkins, Klefbom, JSchultz and Yakupov) "by my count there is only 3 1st overall picks?.. or do u mean first round picks?... ur right hockey fans are stupid.
- derm10

Nooooooo, just some idiot bloggers are stupid. Or should I say stoopid.

I was comparing cities not teams...
- Yobble

Then what your saying makes no sense. If Detroit stunk like Edmonton for the last 7years no one would go there either, don't get your point?

I mean he had a great year, not MVP worthy. Hall had a better season and didn't finish top 30 in hart voting.
- TheNugeIsHuge

hall had a better season in POINTS. not as far as worth to this team clearly. one made the playoffs and one didn't and both were by far the best player on his team.

lots of guys had more points than Tavares, but this isn't the art ross, its the hart.

and hall has no bearing on this debate whatsoever.

no Tavares. no playoffs.

Sorry but I call bullpoop. Everyone was saying the same about PA Parenteau. That he would fall off with out Tavares. Not only did he not fall off, he had his best season yet with the Av's.

I love Tavares. But the hype around him this year was crap. Made up by the media talking heads.
- Iggysbff

I didn't mention parenteau. and I don't care what some people said. im talking about moulson.

although its all conjecture anyway, your comparison hasn't in any way proven me wrong. whether u believe so or not

I don't think the hype is crap. I think its as much made by people who watch and appreciate his skillz as it is the media.
whether you feel hall's underrated in comparison or not, this shouldn't take away from tavares

I will fly to edmonton and sh*t on eakins if Ryan "the barely NHL quality" Jones played ahead of Hemsky on the depth chart.
- TheNugeIsHuge

book ur flight.

hall had a better season in POINTS. not as far as worth to this team clearly. one made the playoffs and one didn't and both were by far the best player on his team.

lots of guys had more points than Tavares, but this isn't the art ross, its the hart.

and hall has no bearing on this debate whatsoever.

no Tavares. no playoffs.
- hugefemale dog77

We'll just have to agree to disagree. Hall scored a higher % of the Oilers points, was on the ice for a higher % of the teams points. Scored more in less games while playing less minutes.

And the Islanders had other players that had great years as well. They had a better mobile d with Streit, Vis.

This notion that Tavares single handedly "carried" the Islanders to the playoffs is crap.

I never even mentioned jones. but he better work harder!! he has absolutely zero skill.

putting ales hemsky on the 4th, while putting ryan jones on the 3rd line at the same position is ridiculous.

hemsky needs badly to be moved and ryan jones can be a 4th liner/extra forward at best
- hugefemale dog77

Hopefully hemskys gone to help acquire D or C

Maybe if you're 50+ and love old time hockey, he's a smart guy to you. Far far too much of what he says is common sense or nonsense. And his hate for anyone non canadian is annoying.
- TheNugeIsHuge

Hes Canadian why wouldn't he pump the tires of Canadians and when theres 30 of the 40 players being in the finals every year that are Canadian he makes a good point. The one thing I disagree with alittle that he says is getting the sticks out of the way of the shot, for every goal that goes in off a stick theres ten in that same game that are deflected out of the way, worth the one goal that goes in then facing those ten shots.

We'll just have to agree to disagree. Hall scored a higher % of the Oilers points, was on the ice for a higher % of the teams points. Scored more in less games while playing less minutes.

And the Islanders had other players that had great years as well. They had a better mobile d with Streit, Vis.

This notion that Tavares single handedly "carried" the Islanders to the playoffs is crap.
- Iggysbff

why do you guys keep bringing up hall? his team had no success. this is an important part of the hart. do we not understand this yet after all these years of hart nominees??
does anyone think bobrovsky wasn't integral to his team? but they didn't make the playoffs. hence no nomination.

no team makes the playoffs with only one good player in todays game. no ones sayin the isles had no one else/ what we are saying is; no Tavares, no playoffs. all of these together equal a nomination

if you feel some other guys deserved nominations instead, i wouldn't argue too much with at least the possibility after some reasoned arguments. or maybe you just don't like the parameters of the hart nominations. that's fine too, but another argument altogether.
but as far as hall goes, he had no chance to be nominated with the end results of his team

not first overall
ebs 22nd overall
klefbom 19th overall
Schultz 43rd overall a second rounder.
- longbottom

You guys obviously missed the point that in Clouts' mind, they are all equivalent to a first overall pick...

hall had a better season in POINTS. not as far as worth to this team clearly. one made the playoffs and one didn't and both were by far the best player on his team.

lots of guys had more points than Tavares, but this isn't the art ross, its the hart.

and hall has no bearing on this debate whatsoever.

no Tavares. no playoffs.
- hugefemale dog77

you're right. hey zetterberg had more points than tavares and his team made the playoffs! Hart! Hart!

Tavares had the same effect Hall had on EDM. Only difference is people like to believe a talented canadian boy picked NYI out of the ditch and carried them on his back to the playoffs. It's the Pierre Mcguire koolaid

We'll just have to agree to disagree. Hall scored a higher % of the Oilers points, was on the ice for a higher % of the teams points. Scored more in less games while playing less minutes.

And the Islanders had other players that had great years as well. They had a better mobile d with Streit, Vis.

This notion that Tavares single handedly "carried" the Islanders to the playoffs is crap.
- Iggysbff

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