they have more defensive assets than we do. especially if they draft jones. just sayin.

but u mentioned kulikov. not me bro. i was just responding to what the other poster felt like theyd ask for. and i wouldnt do it for him.

if florida isnt in a position where they can/want to trade a quality dman, and would ask for a a package like that, u stay away from them.

the oilers need to identify teams that may be looking to get to the cap floor (horcoff, hemsky), overloaded at a certain position with resignings looming (nyr-defence), interested in a specific piece (prv?), at the cap ceiling (van), or thinking rebuild (buffalo). and hen go after those teams with a package tailored to their needs.
u'd hope mact already has a list of these teams ready to go.

hence me being heavily on the jaybo bandwagon pre deadline, or myers now. maybe staal. maybe edler. maybe shattenkirk etc.
- hugefemale dog77

I wouldn't want to touch Marc Staal whatsoever. Good dman but I think as soon as his contract is up he's signing longterm with Carolina to play out his days with his 3 brothers.

Good math although its irrelevant because he had a 91% save percentage last year. That's 91 out of 100 and 910 out of 1000 if you want to bring math into the equation.
- Ihatebrianburke

yeah, and 2 FULL years averaging out to about .925 before that.

There is no way Nick Shultz is playing on either powerplay. Belov and Potter are offensive defensemen and if they don't get used we run 4 forwards. You would pay Jake Muzzin 5 mill a year? Man are we ever lucky you're not calling the shots. We don't want to be in the basement forever. Think about things before you type them out. I could smoke an ounce of weed and drink a flat of beer and still come up with more level headed things to say than that.

- Ihatebrianburke

I haven't seen you do it. In today's NHL dmen are expensive. To get a young guy like Muzzin on an RFA sheet we will have to overpay. I think even you can understand that much. Maybe it doesn't take that much, maybe we offer him 4 but he is their version of Petry and he looks like a promising dman at this point. We are not going to get RFA's of talent at 2.5 mil. We need a price that LA won't match to get a player. That's how the offer sheets work.

I hope I am going slow enough for you. We very well might go with a fourth forward. I could see that but if our first PP unit uses 4 forwards our second unit has little to work with. Belov you haven't even seen play so we can take him out for now and having a defensive dman on the point allows a guy like petry or schultz to pinch more. It is not all about offensive dmen when you get to the point of talking about potter.

You get someone to explain offer sheets to you. Once you understand that they only work as an overpayment, then come back and join the conversation. Or go start on your beer and don't come back.

yeah, and 2 FULL years averaging out to about .925 before that.
- Dirte

With the best defensive pairing in the entire league in front of him and a defensive sytem that doesn't give up anywhere close to the number of shots and scoring chances as most other teams. He still had 1 of the top 5 dmen in the league in front of him this year and only put up a .910. Imagine he had our pathetic D in front of him and the amount of quality opportunities Dubby had against him.

I think this is all good in theory but I think we know what we are going to actually do. Leave our defense how it is. They have acquired what might be a long list of 5/6 pairing guys if the rookies compete well. Smid is still the second best guy next to Justin. Nick and Petry will be our number two PP. Then Belov and Potter will try to eat some minutes.

We have no assets to trade and the 7th pick is only enticing if one of the coveted 6 slips. But if they do we would be better off taking a big center that can play on our third line this year if we need than trading for another dman. We need a dman that is better than Nick. There is just nothing out there unless it comes as a salary dump or we get a buyout fall into the UFA market.

At this point we are better off with offer sheets than we are trading. I would give up next years 2nd round for a dman at 3.3 mil. I would give up a first and a third next year for a top young dman. Offering 5mill average would put us in the market to go after some good dmen if they aren't qualified.

How much would you pay for Rask? Jake Muzzin? Slava Voynov? Jared Spurgeon? Alex Pietrangelo? Kevin Shattenkirk? Chris Tanev? Jhonas Enroth? Sergei Bobrovsky? Patrick Wiercioch? Karl Alzner?

This is just some of the d and goalies. There are tons of forwards that fit our needs as well. LA would match 5 mill on Muzzin and Voynov but they wouldn't be happy. I think as Oiler fans that is the price tag we would offer and that costs us our first and third. Can Vancouver even match a 3.3 mil deal on Tanev who was amazing last year for them? I'd give them a second round pic or him. How about St. Louis with their guys. 5 mill each long term. That would mess with their budget. Then Rask 6.7 mill is the max we can offer and only owe a first second and third. I would give up those picks for Rask and that money. Boston would meet it but that would really mess with them.

This is what we have to start looking at. Seeing who is not qualified on the back end and grabbing 1. Then we look for big guys like Stalberg, Antropov, Cleary, Nystrom... role players that can fill out our bottom 6.
- bsteinley

Good post. My thoughts are Belov and Klefbom could make the team if one or both doesn't we need some kind of D via trade or over payment. I don't think we make the playoffs this year so don't go crazy over paying someone just to get them here. Sign afew smaller names on D or forward for cheap or if your going to over pay make it short term 3.5m to 5m but at 1 or at most 3years. Don't need more ppl we cant move. Hopefully we move to 5th in the draft if not losing to much but we do need that big centre. Best case scenario Monahan is still there at 7th doubtful.

Also let the draft pick stay in the minors for a year no need to rush if its a year of growth and hopefully afew signings or trades throughout the year that help the oilers. Why trade the pick? It will help fill one or maybe two holes but not good enough to make us make the playoffs most likely. If I had to pick between the draft pick or who he got traded for being here in 3 years and having and impact id pick the draft pick.

A few good players to think about trying to get this off season but as far as Rask goes there is no way he leaves the Bruins {Stanley cup final maybe the winner}
to come play for Edmonton. 1 year 20million not enough.

I haven't seen you do it. In today's NHL dmen are expensive. To get a young guy like Muzzin on an RFA sheet we will have to overpay. I think even you can understand that much. Maybe it doesn't take that much, maybe we offer him 4 but he is their version of Petry and he looks like a promising dman at this point. We are not going to get RFA's of talent at 2.5 mil. We need a price that LA won't match to get a player. That's how the offer sheets work.

I hope I am going slow enough for you. We very well might go with a fourth forward. I could see that but if our first PP unit uses 4 forwards our second unit has little to work with. Belov you haven't even seen play so we can take him out for now and having a defensive dman on the point allows a guy like petry or schultz to pinch more. It is not all about offensive dmen when you get to the point of talking about potter.

You get someone to explain offer sheets to you. Once you understand that they only work as an overpayment, then come back and join the conversation. Or go start on your beer and don't come back.
- bsteinley

Thank goodness you went so slowly I could follow the fact that you want to give a guy who's played a half a season in the league 5 million dollars a year. Get a clue.

I hate the idea of Potter on the roster. Hate it. For that reason I'd like to trade for Voynov's rights or come up with a trade for Pietrangelo. As far as forwards go I like Stalberg. He's one of those grinder players that we don't have. Another one is Steckel. Huge guy and can win faceoffs, which is another player we don't have. He'd do great on the fourth line.
- mbxiphos1527

La won't trade rights for Voynov. He is WAY too good. They will probably qualify him as well. However he would be a great target for an offer sheet if not. People talk about trading the 7th overall pick this year for a player that can play now. An offer sheet is just trading our first and third. The key is though, we would have to over pay.

St. Louis might be a good one to go after. They have Piet, Kirk and Stewart that are RFA's. Different value amounts on these but we might be able to get one with a high enough offer. Or at least take them out of the UFA market. Same with Tanev on Vancouver. If we sent an offer sheet for 3 mil (2nd round pick) they would be hard pressed to match it. I don't know how much of Tanev you saw last year but he is quite good.

What would you offer for Rask, Bobrovsky or Enroth? Knowing that Buffalo would have to match you with Miller leaving. But we could make Boston's cap situation a real problem with a big offer on Rask? Think Boston would match 6.5 for 5 years? Give them a first second and third next year for him. Is rask 3 mil better than dubey?

Thank goodness you went so slowly so I could follow the fact that you want to give a guy who's played a half a season in the league 5 million dollars a year. Get a clue.
- Ihatebrianburke

I wouldn't want to touch Marc Staal whatsoever. Good dman but I think as soon as his contract is up he's signing longterm with Carolina to play out his days with his 3 brothers.
- Ihatebrianburke

Im always assuming contract extensions. We aint giving big assets for a guy who might bolt in first year

Thank goodness you went so slowly I could follow the fact that you want to give a guy who's played a half a season in the league 5 million dollars a year. Get a clue.
- Ihatebrianburke

Did "get a clue" come back? Sweet. Trash talking has never been better. These are rookies. The point is that they are a bit of a gamble. Do you think he is not going to be a top dman after seeing him for half a season this year? To bring in a top rookie is 3.775. That is the starting salary. We would have to pay more than the starting wage of a rookie to get him on an offer sheet. Now you might not think he is worth it. Everyone has their own opinion. That is why I offered numerous choices. People like different guys. But there are many rookies from last year that I think the Oilers could use going forward. Long term guys.

As you so creatively put it. Get a clue.

With the best defensive pairing in the entire league in front of him and a defensive sytem that doesn't give up anywhere close to the number of shots and scoring chances as most other teams. He still had 1 of the top 5 dmen in the league in front of him this year and only put up a .910. Imagine he had our pathetic D in front of him and the amount of quality opportunities Dubby had against him.
- Ihatebrianburke

He's fine. You want to discount everything he does because he had a decent team in front of him. It doesn't work that way.

As long as macT signs better players than Brown Fistric Smithenson il be happy. As sad as it is to say these are the only players that will come here without huge over payments. Justin Shultz did pick Edmonton so that's a start hopefully theres more, one can hope. Fistric and Brown were not that bad, Fistric to slow, brown is good at his role. With your team being last or 2nd last you would think they would bring in more talent but they cant

Im always assuming contract extensions. We aint giving big assets for a guy who might bolt in first year
- hugefemale dog77

He's got 2 years left at just under 4 mill a year. I think the Rangers should trade him to Carolina right now to maximize the return on him. There's no doubt in my mind he walks as a UFA to play with his brothers. Skinner for Staal straight up is a good trade for both teams.

He's got 2 years left at just under 4 mill a year. I think the Rangers should trade him to Carolina right now to maximize the return on him. There's no doubt in my mind he walks as a UFA to play with his brothers. Skinner for Staal straight up is a good trade for both teams.
- Ihatebrianburke

2 years huh?

Id consider it in that case. Thats alot of time to prove a winner, get something long term done etc.
i think ud get a feel for his long term plans before u moved for him anyway

Did "get a clue" come back? Sweet. Trash talking has never been better. These are rookies. The point is that they are a bit of a gamble. Do you think he is not going to be a top dman after seeing him for half a season this year? To bring in a top rookie is 3.775. That is the starting salary. We would have to pay more than the starting wage of a rookie to get him on an offer sheet. Now you might not think he is worth it. Everyone has their own opinion. That is why I offered numerous choices. People like different guys. But there are many rookies from last year that I think the Oilers could use going forward. Long term guys.

As you so creatively put it. Get a clue.
- bsteinley

Correction 3.775 is what it costs to sign 1st overall draft picks or top UFA prospects that haven't played in the league on entry level contracts. Not guys who have played half a season in the league and have already played out the rest of their ELC in the minors. You do not pay players like that 5 million a year. LA, the rest of the league, analysts, and fans worldwide would be laughing their asses off at us if we did that. He is unproven. Your posts are mind numbingly long pieces of drivel.

What no Hossa for 2night so much for this being a good game for the hawks. 2 1 series lead bruins

He's fine. You want to discount everything he does because he had a decent team in front of him. It doesn't work that way.
- Dirte

Are you honestly telling me that Barry Trotz's system and having the best defensive pairing in the league doesn't benefit a goalie?

What no Hossa for 2night so much for this being a good game for the hawks. 2 1 series lead bruins
- time2produce

Chara went to the dressing room too after falling awkwardly into Lucic.

Chara went to the dressing room too after falling awkwardly into Lucic.
- Ihatebrianburke

I stick with what I wrote 2 1 series lead for the bruins.

I stick with what I wrote 2 1 series lead for the bruins.
- time2produce

I hope so. Chara is playing still

2 years huh?

Id consider it in that case. Thats alot of time to prove a winner, get something long term done etc.
i think ud get a feel for his long term plans before u moved for him anyway
- hugefemale dog77

I don't know if the Rangers would trade him to us. He's got a good dollar amount and they're gonna have cap troubles.

I hope so. Chara is playing still
- Ihatebrianburke

I wish the oilers were the bruins lol fu@k there the most complete team.

Did "get a clue" come back? Sweet. Trash talking has never been better. These are rookies. The point is that they are a bit of a gamble. Do you think he is not going to be a top dman after seeing him for half a season this year? To bring in a top rookie is 3.775. That is the starting salary. We would have to pay more than the starting wage of a rookie to get him on an offer sheet. Now you might not think he is worth it. Everyone has their own opinion. That is why I offered numerous choices. People like different guys. But there are many rookies from last year that I think the Oilers could use going forward. Long term guys.

As you so creatively put it. Get a clue.
- bsteinley

So...you would pay Muzzin over 2M more on a 2nd contract than the Habs paid Subban? I get the whole overpay on an offer sheet theory, and you are correct. But that is a bad example. There is a difference between aggressive spending and throwing money and cap space (not to mention valuble picks) away. Paying an unknown Russian 1.5 million is low risk/high reward. Paying Muzzin 5M and losing important draft picks is not smart management.

I wish the oilers were the bruins lol fu@k there the most complete team.
- time2produce

Their roster is stacked from top to bottom. My 2nd favorite team. Their only weakness is on the PP which is kinda messed up considering the talent they have to put out there.

I wish the oilers were the bruins lol fu@k there the most complete team.
- time2produce

Yeah, they are pretty awesome. LA is solid too, I was a bit suprised the Hawks vanquished them as quick as they did. As much a I like the Bruins,and the fact that "Heavy Hockey" is the way to play lately, I prefer the make up of our Core. A highly skilled puck possesion game is pretty exciting, and talent and speed CAN overcome size and grit in the playoffs.
I like what Mac T said about how teams to often try to emulate what the most recent winners do, instead of trying to be the best at what they do themselves. The Oilers need some sandpaper,no doubt, and some size here and there too, but most importantly they just need to play a system and add the players to that system that compliment the play of Hall,Ebs,Nuge,Yak and Schultz.