Steroids do not give a person more energy. You do know they are not stimulants? Right?
Your jealousy of Ovi's greatness is breaking my heart sir.
- ruttager17

You do know there are many kinds of steroids out there, many that give you energy. I know quite a few body builders that take them. D-ball comes to mind. He would be rippin around the ice on those

You do know there are many kinds of steroids out there, many that give you energy. I know quite a few body builders that take them. D-ball comes to mind. He would be rippin around the ice on those
- Ihatebrianburke

I know more about the stuff than you know about the inside of your own anus. They do not give you energy. They are anabolic and androgenic. All steroids are either simply the male hormone Testosterone, or derivatives of testosterone, chemically altered to do different things. They make ya heal faster and recover quicker from exercise, as well as improve a persons strength. Still however, energy as you guys are putting it, is not accurate.

HGH isn't really a bulker. It would definitely speed up the healing process from his surgery, and in fact I know that some pro athletes are allowed to use GH to aid in recovery from surgeries. If you wanna bulk up the nuge, a nice stack of Test Cypionate, with either Deca or EQ, and a faster acting test like Propionate or orals such as D-bol or Anadrol would put 15-20 lbs of muscle on the kid by the time training camp opens. I am sure Katz could get the kid a deal on the stuff.
- ruttager17

I have enough juice monkey friends that I'll get him a deal on it lol. And HGH does put on permant body mass. A very good friend of mine put on 30 pounds through years of using it. All that other poop wears off over time.

Steroids do not give a person more energy. You do know they are not stimulants? Right?
Your jealousy of Ovi's greatness is breaking my heart sir.
- ruttager17

They increase muscle, which increases power, which increases speed, which is/was a huge part of Ovechkin's game.

I have enough juice monkey friends that I'll get him a deal on it lol. And HGH does put on permant body mass. A very good friend of mine put on 30 pounds through years of using it. All that other poop wears off over time.
- Ihatebrianburke

Wears off? If you take something and your body produces more muscle, when you stop taking it, the muscle you gained does not just "wear off". Sure people lose some of the weight they gained due to the body holding less water and producing less red blood cells, as well as a person might not be able to maintain a significant amount when off based on how frequently and how hard they train, but does not wear off. Growth is growth, whether it be Test or GH contributing to the hypertrophy of skeletal muscle cells. GH is actually a very very powerful fat burner. Guys can take that stuff and eat Mcdonalds and still get lean and ripped.

They increase muscle, which increases power, which increases speed, which is/was a huge part of Ovechkin's game.
- laughs2907

Remember your theory that OVI sucked so bad at the start of this year, simply because you thought he was a juice monkey and then stopped taking the juice? Well i hope you like apples cause he sure showed you by Ending up in the top 5 of the league in scoring and won the MVP. I suppose you will have us believe the second he started getting good again, was the second he started injections into his delts, hip and thighs?

Remember your theory that OVI sucked so bad at the start of this year, simply because you thought he was a juice monkey and then stopped taking the juice? Well i hope you like apples cause he sure showed you by Ending up in the top 5 of the league in scoring and won the MVP. I suppose you will have us believe the second he started getting good again, was the second he started injections into his delts, hip and thighs?
- ruttager17

He could have started taking steroids again... Why not?

As for your claim...

An athlete on steroids gets an opportunity to get more of this hormone in order to enhance body performance and gain muscle mass. Athletes make use of anabolic steroids as they help them reduce fatigue levels to a considerable extent, this help them perform tirelessly for long time durations without any exertion. Steroids offer a unique ability to athletes by acting as a buffer when lactic acid is produced during physical exertion.

Athletes on steroids run faster as their endurance capacity is almost doubled or tripled after using AAS. It is medically proven that stacking (combination of two or more steroids at the same time) of steroids can help an athlete achieve dramatic effects without looking unreal. The fact that steroids increase muscle growth by enhancing protein synthesis along with a sizeable contribution to metabolic activities is one of the biggest reasons why more and more athletes are making use of steroids in today’s times. Steroids are also known for their untraceable nature as they have a water based composition and can easily pass through the body in just a matter of two days.

http://www.e-steroid.com/.../athlete-steroid-use.html

LOL yep all the leading scorers in the playoffs are grinders who are scoring by pure grit, and grinding the puck into the net.
- Jack-artist

True the 1st and 2nd round is where all these points mostly come from was implying the 3rd and 4th rounds sorry should have said that.

Wears off? If you take something and your body produces more muscle, when you stop taking it, the muscle you gained does not just "wear off". Sure people lose some of the weight they gained due to the body holding less water and producing less red blood cells, as well as a person might not be able to maintain a significant amount when off based on how frequently and how hard they train, but does not wear off. Growth is growth, whether it be Test or GH contributing to the hypertrophy of skeletal muscle cells. GH is actually a very very powerful fat burner. Guys can take that stuff and eat Mcdonalds and still get lean and ripped.
- ruttager17

Personally never tried any of it so I'm not the most knowledgable on the subject. I feel its cheating. Just know what friends have told me trying to feed me the crap over the years. I know that I can't stand to be around any of them when they're on it and I've told them so. I've seen the results of HGH. My buddy is a beast now but his heart is enlarged and he's at risk for heart attacks because of it.

He could have started taking steroids again... Why not?

As for your claim...

An athlete on steroids gets an opportunity to get more of this hormone in order to enhance body performance and gain muscle mass. Athletes make use of anabolic steroids as they help them reduce fatigue levels to a considerable extent, this help them perform tirelessly for long time durations without any exertion. Steroids offer a unique ability to athletes by acting as a buffer when lactic acid is produced during physical exertion.

Athletes on steroids run faster as their endurance capacity is almost doubled or tripled after using AAS. It is medically proven that stacking (combination of two or more steroids at the same time) of steroids can help an athlete achieve dramatic effects without looking unreal. The fact that steroids increase muscle growth by enhancing protein synthesis along with a sizeable contribution to metabolic activities is one of the biggest reasons why more and more athletes are making use of steroids in today’s times. Steroids are also known for their untraceable nature as they have a water based composition and can easily pass through the body in just a matter of two days.

http://www.e-steroid.com/.../athlete-steroid-use.html
- laughs2907

Was sources from a non peer reviewed site allowed for your papers when you went to school? I can see tons of misleading, and blatantly inaccurate information here. First off, they absolutely all do not pass the system in two days. That is just ridiculous.
You also say he could have started taking them again. As he has never been caught, and you have zero evidenced to prove this, how can you say again, let alone be presumptuous about him using them this year???

Was sources from a non peer reviewed site allowed for your papers when you went to school? I can see tons of misleading, and blatantly inaccurate information here. First off, they absolutely all do not pass the system in two days. That is just ridiculous.
You also say he could have started taking them again. As he has never been caught, and you have zero evidenced to prove this, how can you say again, let alone be presumptuous about him using them this year???
- ruttager17

Have you ever taken steroids yourself? Or just learned about them in class?

Personally never tried any of it so I'm not the most knowledgable on the subject. I feel its cheating. Just know what friends have told me trying to feed me the crap over the years. I know that I can't stand to be around any of them when they're on it and I've told them so. I've seen the results of HGH. My buddy is a beast now but his heart is enlarged and he's at risk for heart attacks because of it.
- Ihatebrianburke

There are side effects to every drug. As far as cheating, yes it absolutely is because the NHL has a strict policy. The problem is that society cheats themselves all the time and just likes to scapegoat other to make themselves feel and look better. Drinking an energy drink or tons of coffee throughout the day is cheating. Using cold medication to help one perform better when sick is cheating. You saw the results of GH because of your buddy. Highly doubtful that was all he was taking. Like I said earlier, GH alone isn't really a "bulker".

Was sources from a non peer reviewed site allowed for your papers when you went to school? I can see tons of misleading, and blatantly inaccurate information here. First off, they absolutely all do not pass the system in two days. That is just ridiculous.
You also say he could have started taking them again. As he has never been caught, and you have zero evidenced to prove this, how can you say again, let alone be presumptuous about him using them this year???
- ruttager17

Like what? Are you denying that some steroids reduce fatigue levels by acting as a buffer when lactic acid is produced during physical exertion? I said that they give athletes more energy, and I'm 100% correct. My cousin who has used them for over 15 years now can certainly confirm this.

Have you ever taken steroids yourself? Or just learned about them in class?
- Ihatebrianburke

I will be on Cypionate probably the rest of my life due to an injury to my testicles when I was around ten, as well as having the mumps as a child. My body does not produce as much as it should. I also competed in bodybuilding for 6 years so just took lots more and different types
I was given a prescription for GH two years ago after my knee surgery. Since then, I use it during the summer due to playing so much ball. Speeds in the recovery process. Is it cheating? It absolutely could be depending on ones opinion. Like I said earlier, we as a society take tons of drugs to improve our performance. If a musician trying out for symphony/orchestra take beta blockers to prevent nerves,jittering and tachycardia are they not cheating? Someone taking stimulants or fat burners to lose weight is also cheating isn't it?

There are side effects to every drug. As far as cheating, yes it absolutely is because the NHL has a strict policy. The problem is that society cheats themselves all the time and just likes to scapegoat other to make themselves feel and look better. Drinking an energy drink or tons of coffee throughout the day is cheating. Using cold medication to help one perform better when sick is cheating. You saw the results of GH because of your buddy. Highly doubtful that was all he was taking. Like I said earlier, GH alone isn't really a "bulker".
- ruttager17

Hell no that's not all he was taking.

Like what? Are you denying that some steroids reduce fatigue levels by acting as a buffer when lactic acid is produced during physical exertion? I said that they give athletes more energy, and I'm 100% correct. My cousin who has used them for over 15 years now can certainly confirm this.
- laughs2907

You will have to post me a link to a reputable source that states they act as a lactic acid buffer as this is the first I have heard of this. I have used them for over 10 years myself and get no energy boost. Sure I can push faster and harder, what you are referring to as improved cellular respiration due to increased levels of RBC's in the blood, due to AAS increasing levels of hemoglobin. I do know that creatine acts as a lactic acid buffer. Creatine is hardly a steroid. And someone using this supplement to improve performance is cheating as well isn't it???

You will have to post me a link to a reputable source that states they act as a lactic acid buffer as this is the first I have heard of this. I have used them for over 10 years myself and get no energy boost. Sure I can push faster and harder, what you are referring to as improved cellular respiration due to increased levels of RBC's in the blood, due to AAS increasing levels of hemoglobin. I do know that creatine acts as a lactic acid buffer. Creatine is hardly a steroid. And someone using this supplement to improve performance is cheating as well isn't it???
- ruttager17

Do you take them continuously? If so, you probably never noticed an energy boost, because you have nothing else to compare them to. The cousin I was talking about earlier has taken them on and off for over 15 years, and he notices a huge difference when he's off them. He gave them up for almost 3 years at one point, and he admittedly had nowhere near the energy during those years.

I don't know a lot about it, but I know Ovechkin's style of game would benefit from steroid use, the same way Sammy Sosa/Mark McGwire/Barry Bond's... He relies on power/speed bursts to put him into position to do damage... Steroids would not give him skill (obviously) but it would give him an advantage when it came to providing him with the tools necessary to get in position to score.

If steroids did not give athletes a competitive advantage, the Armstrong/Bonds/Sosa/McGwire stories wouldn't have been an issue.

Dude I am smarter then you... and I am 14. Don Cherry is a loud mouth female dog.
- Oilers4Life14

Sorry to be a di@k earlier just been a fan of his forever. Watch his 2part story on his life don't know exactly where to find it was on CBC. He has over came so much in his life that its hard to not root for the guy. I agree hes racist somewhat which I don't agree with even if hes right about afew players shouldn't put all euros in same basket, easy to single out in the last 25years as theres not as many. There are a lot of Canadians that go invisible come playoff time Heatley,Thornton,Marleau not picking on the sharks, even Toews this year could be added 1goal in playoffs with 19 or 20 games played is awful even worse if you wear the C. Don was told he was to overweight to make a team in his hockey playing days. HE went into the attic of his house in the summer and wrapped himself in bubble wrap and rode a bike till he was at a prober weight, he also fought the toughest guys in his league, never would shy away from a fight. Wasn't the best player but believed in himself and had a supporting wife and was a dog lover. Go blue. I agree hes getting old and alittle outdated but anyone can take his job but no one has, not to mention CBC tried firing him a million times unsuccessful cause of the public. Someone also said he was a homer towards Toronto but with them as the top money earner of the NHL he has to be and his replacement will also even if there not there favorite team. I know he coached the bruins but maybe he always wanted to play for the Leafs. The guys not always right but who is? Don Cherry is a great example of persistence, heart, work ethic. With so little people to look up to nowadays this guy is one but not for what he says on CBC but how he got here and stayed there.

Do you take them continuously? If so, you probably never noticed an energy boost, because you have nothing else to compare them to. The cousin I was talking about earlier has taken them on and off for over 15 years, and he notices a huge difference when he's off them. He gave them up for almost 3 years at one point, and he admittedly had nowhere near the energy during those years.

I don't know a lot about it, but I know Ovechkin's style of game would benefit from steroid use, the same way Sammy Sosa/Mark McGwire/Barry Bond's... He relies on power/speed bursts to put him into position to do damage... Steroids would not give him skill (obviously) but it would give him an advantage when it came to providing him with the tools necessary to get in position to score.

If steroids did not give athletes a competitive advantage, the Armstrong/Bonds/Sosa/McGwire stories wouldn't have been an issue.
- laughs2907

Lance Armstrong is the poster boy for our arguement the tour de france is a long and grueling race and if he didn't have said, extra energy, he wouldve never taken the title home. I personally know this to be true because it takes 3 of us to hold down my friend when he is on the juice and when he is off I can hold him down myself. But he's (frank)ed and I'm betting that he doesn't live to see the other side of 50

Do you take them continuously? If so, you probably never noticed an energy boost, because you have nothing else to compare them to. The cousin I was talking about earlier has taken them on and off for over 15 years, and he notices a huge difference when he's off them. He gave them up for almost 3 years at one point, and he admittedly had nowhere near the energy during those years.

I don't know a lot about it, but I know Ovechkin's style of game would benefit from steroid use, the same way Sammy Sosa/Mark McGwire/Barry Bond's... He replies on power/speed bursts to put him into position to do damage... Steroids would not give him skill (obviously) but it would give him an advantage when it came to providing him with the tools necessary to get in position to score.

If steroids did not give athletes a competitive advantage, the Armstrong/Bonds/Sosa/McGwire stories wouldn't have been an issue.
- laughs2907

Pretty much constantly on a dose as prescribed by my doctor, kinda like taking insulin, just not as frequently. What you are describing about your cousin sounds a lot like muscle dysmorphia. A lot of what a person experiences post cycle is psychological. True one does lose some strength and size. But a perceived decrease in energy can be attributed to slower recovery times and a decrease in strength. The effects of AAS are all objective to the individual user.

True those guys wouldn't have performed as well like you say, but it is not just OVI that would benefit from them, as an athlete every single one would most likely benefit in some way from them. Used in small amounts for small periods of time, the risk of any long term side effects, as well as any acute side effects, are relatively low. The problem however is, lots of people have trouble with using them in moderation. Kinda like alcohol. We know it has some health benefits, and when used responsibly can be very safe, but we all know what can happen when someone abuses it.

Lance Armstrong is the poster boy for our arguement the tour de france is a long and grueling race and if he didn't have said, extra energy, he wouldve never taken the title home. I personally know this to be true because it takes 3 of us to hold down my friend when he is on the juice and when he is off I can hold him down myself. But he's (frank)ed and I'm betting that he doesn't live to see the other side of 50
- Ihatebrianburke

The thing about lance is that he did not use steroids. He was caught using a drug that increases the amounts of hemoglobin and RBC's in the blood. A drug called EPO, or erythropoieitin. Also sometimes they take out blood and then put it back on their body before a race. Lance benefited from extremely enhanced cellular respiration.

I cannot comment on your buddy as I don't have the specifics of his cycle, diet and training regimen. He very well could die before 50. I know a guy that has been on Test for over 25 years due to a pituitary condition. He is in his 50's and is still alive and kicking. Let us also not forget that Schwarzenegger, Stallone, and Ferigno are all still alive and kicking at the ages of 66, 67 and 62 respectively. Proof right there that not all users die young.

Sorry to be a di@k earlier just been a fan of his forever. Watch his 2part story on his life don't know exactly where to find it was on CBC. He has over came so much in his life that its hard to not root for the guy. I agree hes racist somewhat which I don't agree with even if hes right about afew players shouldn't put all euros in same basket, easy to single out in the last 25years as theres not as many. There are a lot of Canadians that go invisible come playoff time Heatley,Thornton,Marleau not picking on the sharks, even Toews this year could be added 1goal in playoffs with 19 or 20 games played is awful even worse if you wear the C. Don was told he was to overweight to make a team in his hockey playing days. HE went into the attic of his house in the summer and wrapped himself in bubble wrap and rode a bike till he was at a prober weight, he also fought the toughest guys in his league, never would shy away from a fight. Wasn't the best player but believed in himself and had a supporting wife and was a dog lover. Go blue. I agree hes getting old and alittle outdated but anyone can take his job but no one has, not to mention CBC tried firing him a million times unsuccessful cause of the public. Someone also said he was a homer towards Toronto but with them as the top money earner of the NHL he has to be and his replacement will also even if there not there favorite team. I know he coached the bruins but maybe he always wanted to play for the Leafs. The guys not always right but who is? Don Cherry is a great example of persistence, heart, work ethic. With so little people to look up to nowadays this guy is one but not for what he says on CBC but how he got here and stayed there.
- time2produce

I still think he's an idiot everytime he opens his mouth on air. However as you can tell by my name I loved when he laid into Burke earlier in the year about not having enough Canadians on the team and only going after Americans. The whole playoffs he thinks he's smart saying cover the point, cover the point. This doesn't make him some sort of hockey genius. Its text book hockey. Work the puck around down low to create an open point shot. I wish they'd just take him off the air already. Don't know who they'd replace him with though. I can't stand PJ Stock. Talks so much poop about everybody. He wasn't a good player whatsoever and looks like a (frank)in idiot with his popped collar. Fashion statement my ass.

The thing about lance is that he did not use steroids. He was caught using a drug that increases the amounts of hemoglobin and RBC's in the blood. A drug called EPO, or erythropoieitin. Also sometimes they take out blood and then put it back on their body before a race. Lance benefited from extremely enhanced cellular respiration.

I cannot comment on your buddy as I don't have the specifics of his cycle, diet and training regimen. He very well could die before 50. I know a guy that has been on Test for over 25 years due to a pituitary condition. He is in his 50's and is still alive and kicking. Let us also not forget that Schwarzenegger, Stallone, and Ferigno are all still alive and kicking at the ages of 66, 67 and 62 respectively. Proof right there that not all users die young.
- ruttager17

I also know guys in their 60's that smoke 3 packs a day and are still alive and kicking. Everyone is different

I still think he's an idiot everytime he opens his mouth on air. However as you can tell by my name I loved when he laid into Burke earlier in the year about not having enough Canadians on the team and only going after Americans. The whole playoffs he thinks he's smart saying cover the point, cover the point. This doesn't make him some sort of hockey genius. Its text book hockey. Work the puck around down low to create an open point shot. I wish they'd just take him off the air already. Don't know who they'd replace him with though. I can't stand PJ Stock. Talks so much poop about everybody. He wasn't a good player whatsoever and looks like a (frank)in idiot with his popped collar. Fashion statement my ass.
- Ihatebrianburke

Not everyone has to like him just thought a 14 year old spouting off when he barely knows anything about him was alittle dumb. Pj stock is crap kisses Rons ass as much as Ron does Dons lol. I like kevin weeks and Barry Melrose not to replace Don just there both fair and have good reasons for there insights, same with Pierre kinda but I hate the little nerd. Wish he would get hit by a puck between the benches more hahah.

I still think he's an idiot everytime he opens his mouth on air. However as you can tell by my name I loved when he laid into Burke earlier in the year about not having enough Canadians on the team and only going after Americans. The whole playoffs he thinks he's smart saying cover the point, cover the point. This doesn't make him some sort of hockey genius. Its text book hockey. Work the puck around down low to create an open point shot. I wish they'd just take him off the air already. Don't know who they'd replace him with though. I can't stand PJ Stock. Talks so much poop about everybody. He wasn't a good player whatsoever and looks like a (frank)in idiot with his popped collar. Fashion statement my ass.
- Ihatebrianburke

When he ripped burke that was awesome, would be a good fight, first with a broken hip loses.