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navinrjohnson
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We are finally good, NY
Joined: 12.08.2009

Jun 16 @ 10:22 AM ET
Yeah, now Garth's talking about Sabre players we've been rid of for... 4 years now? Christ Garth, get over it.
- Tsyolin

Buffalo--Sabres
Buffalo Sabres
Location: 2 15/16, NY
Joined: 07.07.2010

Jun 16 @ 10:29 AM ET

- navinrjohnson




So apprapo
Steven_Dean
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: KL
Joined: 07.10.2012

Jun 16 @ 10:46 AM ET
2003: Fleury vs. Michalek, Pouliot, Perry
2004: Ovechkin vs. Montoya, Kaspars, Fistric
2005: Crosby vs. Brule, Lashoff, Niskanen
2006: Johnson vs. Brassard, Giroux, Foligno
2007: Kane vs. Gagne, Pacioretty, Petrecki
2008: Stamkos vs. Filatov, Eberle, Tikhonov
2009: Tavares vs. Ekman-Larsson, Schroeder, Olsen
2010: Hall vs. Connolly, Tinordi, Coyle
2011: Nugent-Hopkins vs. Zibanejad, Biggs, Phillips
2012: Yakopov vs. Lindholm, Maata, Skjei

#1 Vs. 6, 22, 28 in previous years...most years it is a good deal for the team with 3 picks

- flashfire


haha kind of funny but other than the "flop" of Johnson, the only year where it was better to have the 3 picks over the 1st overall pick is in 2003, the deepest draft. It's funny because this is expected to be the deepest draft since.
Steven_Dean
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: KL
Joined: 07.10.2012

Jun 16 @ 10:50 AM ET
Not by the rules at the time it wasn't.
- Pierceme69


actually by the rules at that time it was still a good goal. Something like if you take the puck out of the crease you could be in the crease and still score.
kingcong39
Buffalo Sabres
Location: albany, NY
Joined: 02.21.2007

Jun 16 @ 10:55 AM ET
actually by the rules at that time it was still a good goal. Something like if you take the puck out of the crease you could be in the crease and still score.
- Steven_Dean


Ah, the famous memo that Bettman pulled out of his backside after the fact to explain how it was actually legal.
Have to love when they do that!
newmy
Montreal Canadiens
Joined: 06.15.2012

Jun 16 @ 10:58 AM ET
I was actually thinking CGY should do that. They need that 1c(to play with iggy lol)

apparently EDM's trying to move up to 5. I wonder if that means that TB takes Nichushkin, and EDM gets barkov. Just a thought. I wonder if EDM's going after Nich

- TheNugeIsHuge



Barkov is going to Nashville at 4.

I still say it's Jones, Mackinnon, Drouin/Nishushkin, Barkov. The rumors about Carolina loving Nurse could be true but they could drop back 2 or 3 spots & still grab him meaning a trade for the 5th spot is likely & I know the Oilers would be interested but so is Buffalo - big time. They want to move up into the top 5 or even higher.

But again, at what cost???

As for the Flames, they need to stop listening to Murray Edwards & rebuild with draft picks, here's their opportunity with 3 first rounders in a deep draft - what more can you ask for.

Edwards needs to shut his mouth & stop telling Feaster(who's incompetent enough) he wants the Flames in the playoffs next season because in reality, it's not happening.

Keep the picks, hopefully they don't screw it up(but with Todd Button, we all know that's going to happen) and come away with more depth in the organization because right now, there's not much.
navinrjohnson
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We are finally good, NY
Joined: 12.08.2009

Jun 16 @ 10:58 AM ET
actually by the rules at that time it was still a good goal. Something like if you take the puck out of the crease you could be in the crease and still score.
- Steven_Dean

wrong

per nhl rule book at the time

"Unless the puck is in the goal crease area, a player of the attacking side may not stand in the goal crease. If a player has entered the crease prior to the puck, and subsequently the puck should enter the net while such conditions prevail, the apparent goal shall not be allowed."
buffalofan19
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Wonderful things can happen when you sow seeds of distrust in a garden full of (bum)holes
Joined: 07.01.2007

Jun 16 @ 10:58 AM ET
Ah, the famous memo that Bettman pulled out of his backside after the fact to explain how it was actually legal.
Have to love when they do that!

- kingcong39


It shouldn't have been a goal, but it doesn't bother me much anymore. When you take the fact that the Sabres had scored only one goal in over 120 minutes of play leading up to that point, you see the real reason why they lost that series, and weren't going to win it even if the right call was made.
navinrjohnson
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We are finally good, NY
Joined: 12.08.2009

Jun 16 @ 10:59 AM ET
Ah, the famous memo that Bettman pulled out of his backside after the fact to explain how it was actually legal.
Have to love when they do that!

- kingcong39

Hull shoots; Sabres goalie Dominik Hasek saves.
The rebound bounces outside the crease.
With his skate, Hull kicks the puck forward to his stick. But as he is kicking the puck, his left skate slides into the blue paint. If you freeze that moment, Hull is guilty. He's in the crease, the puck isn't.
With his left skate planted in the crease, Hull shoots again. This time he scores. The Stars celebrate, the Sabres freak out.
sbroads24
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We are in 30th place. It's 2017 , NY
Joined: 02.12.2012

Jun 16 @ 11:00 AM ET
haha kind of funny but other than the "flop" of Johnson, the only year where it was better to have the 3 picks over the 1st overall pick is in 2003, the deepest draft. It's funny because this is expected to be the deepest draft since.
- Steven_Dean

Brett Connolly, Jared Tinordi, Charlie Coyle.
Give it 2 years and I would that them over Taylor Hall.
buffalofan19
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Wonderful things can happen when you sow seeds of distrust in a garden full of (bum)holes
Joined: 07.01.2007

Jun 16 @ 11:01 AM ET
Hull shoots; Sabres goalie Dominik Hasek saves.
The rebound bounces outside the crease.
With his skate, Hull kicks the puck forward to his stick. But as he is kicking the puck, his left skate slides into the blue paint. If you freeze that moment, Hull is guilty. He's in the crease, the puck isn't.
With his left skate planted in the crease, Hull shoots again. This time he scores. The Stars celebrate, the Sabres freak out.

- navinrjohnson



All of that could have been avoided if Holzinger made the play he should have and eliminated Hull from the play.
navinrjohnson
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We are finally good, NY
Joined: 12.08.2009

Jun 16 @ 11:01 AM ET
It shouldn't have been a goal, but it doesn't bother me much anymore. When you take the fact that the Sabres had scored only one goal in over 120 minutes of play leading up to that point, you see the real reason why they lost that series, and weren't going to win it even if the right call was made.
- buffalofan19

I think the worst part was the NHL did not even look at the goal


everything on the line and they did that bs response later


bigger screw job was the year after IMO

buffalofan19
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Wonderful things can happen when you sow seeds of distrust in a garden full of (bum)holes
Joined: 07.01.2007

Jun 16 @ 11:02 AM ET
I think the worst part was the NHL did not even look at the goal


everything on the line and they did that bs response later


bigger screw job was the year after IMO


- navinrjohnson


Agreed. In 1999, at least you could explain it away with a weak interpretation of the rule. The one in 2000 was just plain incompetence.
sbroads24
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We are in 30th place. It's 2017 , NY
Joined: 02.12.2012

Jun 16 @ 11:08 AM ET
Random thought. If we resign Miller, wouldn't that even further make us look like the Calgary Flames?
HonkFortheGoose
Buffalo Sabres
Location: "___________ stinks."-Sabres89, NY
Joined: 07.26.2008

Jun 16 @ 11:12 AM ET
Random thought. If we resign Miller, wouldn't that even further make us look like the Calgary Flames?
- sbroads24


I don't know why everyone is so stuck on us "Being like Calgary." We're nothing like them. They have no prospect pool. Whatsoever. We have plenty of prospects, most of us around here just wish we had one or two that have the possibility of being "elite." That doesn't mean that we don't have quality guys though.

I bet the Calgary fans would kill to have our prospect pool in comparison to theirs. And as much as we may not like Darcy, he is a hell of a lot better of a GM than Feaster is.
gerbe75pts
Anaheim Ducks
Location: DRAFT COLE CAUFIELD AT 7!!!, CA
Joined: 09.03.2009

Jun 16 @ 11:24 AM ET
"this is the end " was a was a fantastic movie so hilarious
LeftCoaster
San Jose Sharks
Location: Shark City, CA
Joined: 07.03.2009

Jun 16 @ 11:26 AM ET
Feaster has no idea what he's doing...down with the Flames!!
Steven_Dean
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: KL
Joined: 07.10.2012

Jun 16 @ 11:28 AM ET
Ah, the famous memo that Bettman pulled out of his backside after the fact to explain how it was actually legal.
Have to love when they do that!

- kingcong39


haha well if we are going the conspiracy route then lets have fun with it.... CROSBY!!! Begin the debate.

Muhahahaha!
sbroads24
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We are in 30th place. It's 2017 , NY
Joined: 02.12.2012

Jun 16 @ 11:30 AM ET
I don't know why everyone is so stuck on us "Being like Calgary." We're nothing like them. They have no prospect pool. Whatsoever. We have plenty of prospects, most of us around here just wish we had one or two that have the possibility of being "elite." That doesn't mean that we don't have quality guys though.

I bet the Calgary fans would kill to have our prospect pool in comparison to theirs. And as much as we may not like Darcy, he is a hell of a lot better of a GM than Feaster is.

- HonkFortheGoose

We are like them. We are finally deciding to rebuild. They finally decided to trade Iginla and semi-rebuild. They wasted money on awful FA"s, so did we. As far as prospects, they have a pick higher than us and have 2 additional first rounders in a deep draft.
I say this because apparently Miller is open to staying. It would be like the Flames resigning Kipprusoff instead of moving on when they should have
benny948
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 06.15.2013

Jun 16 @ 11:34 AM ET
We are like them. We are finally deciding to rebuild. They finally decided to trade Iginla and semi-rebuild. They wasted money on awful FA"s, so did we. As far as prospects, they have a pick higher than us and have 2 additional first rounders in a deep draft.
I say this because apparently Miller is open to staying. It would be like the Flames resigning Kipprusoff instead of moving on when they should have

- sbroads24

At least the Sabres are further along in their rebuild than Calgary, by the looks of their prospect pool.
http://www.hockeysfuture.com/teams/buffalo_sabres/
http://www.hockeysfuture.com/teams/calgary_flames/
benny948
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 06.15.2013

Jun 16 @ 11:35 AM ET
Feaster has no idea what he's doing...down with the Flames!!
- LeftCoaster

I can't get over the fact that he could have still gotten Jankowski in the 2nd round and used his 1st on a more proven player. What an idiot.
sbroads24
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We are in 30th place. It's 2017 , NY
Joined: 02.12.2012

Jun 16 @ 11:46 AM ET
At least the Sabres are further along in their rebuild than Calgary, by the looks of their prospect pool.
http://www.hockeysfuture.com/teams/buffalo_sabres/
http://www.hockeysfuture.com/teams/calgary_flames/

- benny948

They are without a doubt. I just hope the Sabres commit to this rebuild 100%
benny948
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 06.15.2013

Jun 16 @ 11:53 AM ET
They are without a doubt. I just hope the Sabres commit to this rebuild 100%
- sbroads24

Hopefully Darcy trades Vanek and Miller, which would ensure a high pick next year. Then 2014-2015 could be our breakout year. By then Grigs, Girgs, and our two high picks would be ready. If Myers gets his crap in order, the rebuild would not have to occur on the back end.
HonkFortheGoose
Buffalo Sabres
Location: "___________ stinks."-Sabres89, NY
Joined: 07.26.2008

Jun 16 @ 12:01 PM ET
At least the Sabres are further along in their rebuild than Calgary, by the looks of their prospect pool.
http://www.hockeysfuture.com/teams/buffalo_sabres/
http://www.hockeysfuture.com/teams/calgary_flames/

- benny948


Exactly. There's going to be similarities between every team that can be found. It doesn't mean that the situations are anything alike. We have a lot of the pieces we need for a rebuild already and they've addressed earlier that a rebuild is something that needs to be done. That means that we're already ahead of the curve. Being like Calgary would mean that we waited until this upcoming season to trade Pommer and we would resign both Vanek and Miller and think nothing of it. I don't think Miller makes it past the draft on this team and I think Vanek gets moved around the deadline. The situations couldn't be more different, IMO.
benny948
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 06.15.2013

Jun 16 @ 12:09 PM ET
Exactly. There's going to be similarities between every team that can be found. It doesn't mean that the situations are anything alike. We have a lot of the pieces we need for a rebuild already and they've addressed earlier that a rebuild is something that needs to be done. That means that we're already ahead of the curve. Being like Calgary would mean that we waited until this upcoming season to trade Pommer and we would resign both Vanek and Miller and think nothing of it. I don't think Miller makes it past the draft on this team and I think Vanek gets moved around the deadline. The situations couldn't be more different, IMO.
- HonkFortheGoose

Agree mostly, but I think that Vanek will get traded at the draft to a team like Tampa or Carolina, allowing the Sabres to move up. Both teams have stated that they want to contend now. If you look at Calgary's prospect pool, lots of their top guys are undersized or playing in the NCAA. Most of Buffalo's top prospects are in Roch or overseas (Armia). We will definitely have a quicker rebuild than them, and it will not have much suffering. How long do you think our rebuild will take?
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