that's fair enuf, but read is at least as good a skater, a better scorer and has nowhere near the rough miles on the tread as gags. both are all situations plyrs, but there is nary a situation, that i'd prefer gags out on the ice for.
- isaiah520

Totally agree with you. At this point of his career, Gags is best suited in a bottom 6 forward role. I wouldn't mind seeing Gags resigned, but I'm not going to be upset if he isn't brought back.

Totally agree with you. At this point of his career, Gags is best suited in a bottom 6 forward role. I wouldn't mind seeing Gags resigned, but I'm not going to be upset if he isn't brought back.
- ravishingone

I'm kind of a classic guy when it comes to things.

The Flyers I do believe have enough talent in the lineup, but not enough lunch-pail work ethic.

If it comes to signing a guy like Gagne, or going after Morrow I'd prefer Morrow for the physical game and intensity he could bring.

It does look like the Flyers may want to bring Gagne back, and the player himself said he wants to return. If its a cheap deal (as he is injury prone), I'd welcome him back.

for me their main issue is the seemingly constant belief that they are one big move away from the cup. it makes them appear (?) schizophrenic , and i believe it has an effect on the players. no continuity
- FlyerMike18

Yup...

1) Overpay for savior (either assets or $$$),
2) Deal with immediate fallout from having acquired said savior (salary-dumps, etc),
3) Watch the savior fall flat on his face/get injured,
4) Get stuck w/ the long-term consequences for years,
5) Rinse & repeat.

Yup...

1) Overpay for savior (either assets or $$$),
2) Deal with immediate fallout from having acquired said savior (salary-dumps, etc),
3) Watch the savior fall flat on his face/get injured,
4) Get stuck w/ the long-term consequences for years,
5) Rinse & repeat.
- Tomahawk

I wont pretend, I have been a fan of this team since 1997, when I came to this continent.

All of these things a lot of us have been bringing up seem to really have come to focus ever since the "new nhl", with a salary cap.

They by no means are the worst thing since overcooked steak but improvements do have to be made imo. I do wonder, just for poops and giggles, who would be the new pappi once Snider steps down.

Yup...

1) Overpay for savior (either assets or $$$),
2) Deal with immediate fallout from having acquired said savior (salary-dumps, etc),
3) Watch the savior fall flat on his face/get injured,
4) Get stuck w/ the long-term consequences for years,
5) Rinse & repeat.
- Tomahawk

If you don't enjoy routing for a franchise that goes for it every year and usually makes it to the show (playoffs) then route for somene else! Yeah I want them to win a cup too but it's not like they arnt trying. Take your tissue cry fest somewhere else.

If you don't enjoy routing for a franchise that goes for it every year and usually makes it to the show (playoffs) then route for somene else! Yeah I want them to win a cup too but it's not like they arnt trting. Take your tissue cry fest somewhere else.
- coffee junkie

Haha, I kind of see both sides to this as I have been on both.

In the end we all want the team to get better, and we are looking at possible ways they could improve. When at the end of everything, what we say means jack poop in the grand scheme of things.

Missing the playoffs, along with a BS lockout, does leave some sting for people.

If you don't enjoy routing for a franchise that goes for it every year and usually makes it to the show (playoffs) then route for somene else! Yeah I want them to win a cup too but it's not like they arnt trying. Take your tissue cry fest somewhere else.
- coffee junkie

It's so easy being a GM - that's why 90% of the posters here are on waiting lists to be the next one of many NHL teams.

It's so easy being a GM - that's why 90% of the posters here are on waiting lists to be the next one of many NHL teams.
- Flyskippy

and the other 10% are actual GMs

that's fair enuf, but read is at least as good a skater, a better scorer and has nowhere near the rough miles on the tread as gags. both are all situations plyrs, but there is nary a situation, that i'd prefer gags out on the ice for.
- isaiah520

We might only be able to fill a position of need by trading a player like Matt Read because UFA is that weak...

It's so easy being a GM - that's why 90% of the posters here are on waiting lists to be the next one of many NHL teams.
- Flyskippy

Who are the 10%

We might only be able to fill a position of need by trading a player like Matt Read because UFA is that weak...
- dingo8urbaby

I don't think gagne and read should be viewed in the same light. Gagne is strictly a 3rd liner at this point. Read is a bonafide 2nd line forward. If read can be signed for anything under 4 mil I think the flyers should jump all over it. Read has plenty of miles on the odometer and his age shouldn't be a concern at all in his next deal. If he signs for 5 years your getting him at the best years of his career.

Everyone but me seems to hate the OT/shootout point format. Read alone might get you 2 or 3 more points a year in the shootout, not to mention having that ability on breakaways and as a shorthanded threat. Gagnes finishing ability has escaped him

I don't think gagne and read should be viewed in the same light. Gagne is strictly a 3rd liner at this point. Read is a bonafide 2nd line forward. If read can be signed for anything under 4 mil I think the flyers should jump all over it. Read has plenty of miles on the odometer and his age shouldn't be a concern at all in his next deal. If he signs for 5 years your getting him at the best years of his career.

Everyone but me seems to hate the OT/shootout point format. Read alone might get you 2 or 3 more points a year in the shootout, not to mention having that ability on breakaways and as a shorthanded threat. Gagnes finishing ability has escaped him
- Just5

You might be right but Simon Gagne was being counted out many of times even before he was originally traded away from Philly. Gagne is prone to slow starts and I find it hard to judge any player based on this season where not everyone played during the lockout and no player had a training camp.

I have been a fan of the flyers starting 6/15/1970 ..... the day I was born....43 years ago....yes I am older than most on the site....but I did not have a choice....my Dad had season tixs at the old Spectrum that we would attend. When cable became available in the NE Philly(trevose/oakford/feasterville...to be more spec.) and you could watch games on Prism and not have to fight the traffic and crowds my Dad gave up the seats. So I have always been a fan, never had a reason to choose another team, and I would never change who I root for.....We don't always have the best team but its not for a lack of trying...could we be more patient or have a different team make-up sure.....but the would take away from the character and essence of what it is to be a flyer or even a flyer fan.....good or bad I will always be a Flyer Fan and for some on this site who like to moan and female dog about your flyers probably feel the same as I do.....we will win again and will make this cup drought all the more sweeter.....hate them or love them..from Snider on down... We are Flyer Fans for Life and I'm proud of my Team....btw happy B-day to Me......

If you don't enjoy routing for a franchise that goes for it every year and usually makes it to the show (playoffs) then route for somene else! Yeah I want them to win a cup too but it's not like they arnt trying. Take your tissue cry fest somewhere else.
- coffee junkie

(U mad bro?)

If you don't enjoy routing for a franchise that goes for it every year and usually makes it to the show (playoffs) then route for somene else! Yeah I want them to win a cup too but it's not like they arnt trying. Take your tissue cry fest somewhere else.
- coffee junkie

believe me, i'd rather be a fan of the flyers than a team like the florida marlins (who actually have two relatively recent championships). i'm just saying, i wish they'd adopt a little more of a patient approach. i'm definitely not condemning everything about the way they do business

It's so easy being a GM - that's why 90% of the posters here are on waiting lists to be the next one of many NHL teams.
- Flyskippy

eh, i dunno, i'd like to think that there's at least a bit of a margin between the "armchair gm" category and blindly rubber-stamping your approval on everything the flyers do (i promise that's not an accusation of anyone). i think it's possible to reasonably express disagreement with certain actions (or patterns thereof) without being a total negadelphian

Who are the 10%
- flyer_nutter

Guys like me...

Brad Richards sounds good

Brad Richards sounds good
- Winning

Yeah no

Brad Richards sounds good
- Winning

So did Planet Hollywood.

no doubt the trade is a big net negative now (now that his career is over). i think they were counting on a lot more than just 173 games though

EDIT: not to say that you were suggesting otherwise
- FlyerMike18

I loved the trade when the made it. And I still love that they made that trade. Easy to play GM after the fact.

Asset management, cap management, prudent contract negotiating, just plain old understanding of the CBA/Cap, sticking to one long-range plan of action... none of that is on the level of where it needs to be.

It predates Homer, though... the Flyers have always been act first, think later kind of franchise.
- Tomahawk

I think that needs to be rephrased to it's not on the level that you want it to be. Or they don't follow the philosophies that you want them to. When you add the players that they've added over the years. In trades, Free Agency, and other methods. They area an aggressive franchise that always tried to wins. That is quite different from the picture and doom that you paint.

I think what most people are getting at was that Read was a free player for you guys. You just had to sign a undrafted FA. Didnt have to use assets to get him. I do know what your saying. Read has value to. He is worth something. But one issue going with that is that there are so many people that are still so high on Bernie it almost negates Read. Some of these buy out goalies are still gonna get a pretty penny. If fluery were bought out he would still get 5mil from someone else. Same goes for Lou.
- poisondhearts37

If someone is so high on a guy with 62 games of NHL experience that it negates a guy who fills as many roles as Read does, then quite honestly, those people are (frank)ing morons.

Yup...

1) Overpay for savior (either assets or $$$),
2) Deal with immediate fallout from having acquired said savior (salary-dumps, etc),
3) Watch the savior fall flat on his face/get injured,
4) Get stuck w/ the long-term consequences for years,
5) Rinse & repeat.
- Tomahawk

Let's look at the big moves that Holmgren has made to the level of players that you would label a 'savior". Coming off the a Season in which they finished last overall. Holmgren trades for Timonen along with Hartnell. And signs Danny Briere. Timonen has been one of the best defenseman ever to play for the Flyers, and has given them 6 top rate Seasons as a top defenseman on the team. Hartnell has been a key addition as a Power Forward to the team, including a 37 goal All Star Season. Briere has had up and down regular Seasons, a lot due to some injuries. But has more then earned his contract as one of the top playoff scorers in his time here. The addition of Pronger made the team a top team, resulting in a Stanley Cup Final appearance. So what exactly was the immediate fallout from those moves? Pronger got a freak injury beyond anyone's control, including Holmgren's. Easy to look after the fact and say it was a bad move. That's just revisionist history. It was a great trade, and I trade I hope they would do every time it's available to fill a huge need on the team.
Flyers felt the need to upgrade in net. So they go out and sign who they felt was the best available Goaltender. The results haven't been there. That cost a 3rd and a conditional pick. Not much lost there. So if they buyout him out, with no Cap penalty, what exactly is the fallout from that? And really, if he is bought out, who's to blame for the way he played? Holmgren or Bryzgalov?

It's so easy being a GM - that's why 90% of the posters here are on waiting lists to be the next one of many NHL teams.
- Flyskippy

I was going to give my opinion on the Flyers moves they make this Summer. But I'm going to wait a few years and give it in hindsight. Much better chance of being right that way.