Or my the sabres should of just lost their last 10-15 remaining games, that way they don't need to make a trade to move up.

I see your point and while I don't disagree with it... I think dustin brown in buffalo woupd be better than ott in that role.. ott is a borderline unsportsmanlike and cant be captain material because of it... ott hits more but brown is a better scorer and is the exact kind of captain we need going forward....

Not to mention 16th, ennis and makarov for bernier and a 2nd rounder... I think we win that too... bernier and enroth splitting starts is amazing compared to hackett instead.. we could set our franchise up for a decade with a young goalie kingpin and a n actual badass captain.. probably the best captain since drury..

Brown, bernier, 2nd rounder

For

Ott, ennis, 16th overall, and makarov.

ACCEPTED!
- JVince11

The deal, on paper, by itself, is a good hockey trade.

But why in the world would LA want Ott or Ennis over Brown? Would you? I wouldn't. Not to mention giving up their insurance policy should Quick get hurt.

It doesn't make any sense.

I do not want Valarmov! Oh my God no! We have plenty of young goalies to make their case to be the number 1 . Valarmov is a joke and not needed here in my opinion.
- BuffaloHardHat

Varlamov wouldn't hurt you in any way. Either he works out in Buffalo and you replaced Miller right off the bat or he doesn't work out and your goaltending depth take the job and Varlamov walks after next season. No loss what-so-ever.

Anyway the point of the proposed deal was to take a shortcut to getting the 1st overall pick and not risking that Colorado wouldn't want 3 picks that could in reality miss unlike the virtual can't miss of a no.1 overall pick.

Can I sell you a used car . Overpayment !!!!!!!!
- Maximum Signal

yeah it is an overpayment but you are not going to get the 1st overall pick for multiple pieces in a fair deal. To get a franchise player you have to pay up a premium.

Besides, how is adding a 38th overall pick and a conditional 2015 1st so much more of an overpayment than Garth's proposed deals?

I really hope the guy does well, I have a good feeling about him
- LetsGoBuffalo75

He'll be stuck on the 4th line with keletta and Scott where there is no hope.

Varlamov wouldn't hurt you in any way. Either he works out in Buffalo and you replaced Miller right off the bat or he doesn't work out and your goaltending depth take the job and Varlamov walks after next season. No loss what-so-ever.

Anyway the point of the proposed deal was to take a shortcut to getting the 1st overall pick and not risking that Colorado wouldn't want 3 picks that could in reality miss unlike the virtual can't miss of a no.1 overall pick.




yeah it is an overpayment but you are not going to get the 1st overall pick for multiple pieces in a fair deal. To get a franchise player you have to pay up a premium.

Besides, how is adding a 38th overall pick and a conditional 2015 1st so much more of an overpayment than Garth's proposed deals?
- Steven_Dean

I think it's a pretty safe bet that the Sabres want nothing to do with Valarmov but I see where you are going with the idea.

I am calling Vanek to Nashville. Would make perfect sense. They need scoring badly. Vanek and the 8th pick for the 4th overall and perhaps a prospect coming back.

Varlamov wouldn't hurt you in any way. Either he works out in Buffalo and you replaced Miller right off the bat or he doesn't work out and your goaltending depth take the job and Varlamov walks after next season. No loss what-so-ever.

Anyway the point of the proposed deal was to take a shortcut to getting the 1st overall pick and not risking that Colorado wouldn't want 3 picks that could in reality miss unlike the virtual can't miss of a no.1 overall pick.




yeah it is an overpayment but you are not going to get the 1st overall pick for multiple pieces in a fair deal. To get a franchise player you have to pay up a premium.

Besides, how is adding a 38th overall pick and a conditional 2015 1st so much more of an overpayment than Garth's proposed deals?
- Steven_Dean

Who said Garth's trades make any sense . I would rather use assets to get more 1st round picks in this really deep draft and tank for 2015 draft when that once a decade franchise player is available McDavid ! No players are going to impact their first few years as they learn the pro game , will be fun to watch and will lose enough for us to have a real shot at the next great one !

Pysyk and Miller ain't getting you 7th overall. Again, Miller's a year away from free agency, and is 33, and on the decline of his career.

Pysyk and Miller ain't getting you 7th overall. Again, Miller's a year away from free agency, and is 33, and on the decline of his career.
- TheNugeIsHuge

IMO, Miller makes perfect sense for a team like PHX. Buffalo offers to pay 25% of his salary and trade Miller for the 12th pick.

PHX being one year removed for the WCF and Mike Smith most likely leaving. PLus they could market the poop out of him.

does anyone else doubt Sabres and Oil talking deal given Vanek offer sheet? some bridges get burned and you just don't go back there. think the focus is with other previous dance partners...Nashville, LA, Calgary and possibly Avs not for 1st but Darcy/Patrick 'seem' (according to Garth's blogs) to have good relations
- riptheguard

I doubt an Oilers-Sabres deal as well. I don't know if there's still bad blood - all reports say that Lowe has patched things up with Burke for example - but aside from that it's not as good a fit as it once was. The complexion of the oilers has changed tremendously over that time from a team that was very good on defense and had little high end offensive talent to a team with poor team defense and great high end talent. With Eberle and Yakupov, we've got two players with similar sets of skills to Vanek.

Who said Garth's trades make any sense . I would rather use assets to get more 1st round picks in this really deep draft and tank for 2015 draft when that once a decade franchise player is available McDavid ! No players are going to impact their first few years as they learn the pro game , will be fun to watch and will lose enough for us to have a real shot at the next great one !
- Maximum Signal

well you have to have some kind of insurance since Miller is the best player your moving. Plus 2 years of the "current great one" and a solid game plan should be enough to prevent you from giving up the "next great one" in 2015 should Miller walk.

Pysyk and Miller ain't getting you 7th overall. Again, Miller's a year away from free agency, and is 33, and on the decline of his career.
- TheNugeIsHuge

Frankly , I do not agree with this.
Miller and Pysyk to move up 1 spot is gross overpayment to Edmonton on Buffalo's behalf. You thinking the contrary bewilders me honestly.
But is your opinion.

Or my the sabres should of just lost their last 10-15 remaining games, that way they don't need to make a trade to move up.
- mike13wilkins

Darcy and Ron should have been fired when they moved from 28 place all the way up to 23. Now it is going to cost them much much more to get into top tier of draft when they could have been staring at Drouin, Nicushkin, Barkov or Monahan with the 3rd pick. Dumb and Dumber, that is our brain trust we are depending on to turn the franchise around.

IMO, Miller makes perfect sense for a team like PHX. Buffalo offers to pay 25% of his salary and trade Miller for the 12th pick.

PHX being one year removed for the WCF and Mike Smith most likely leaving. PLus they could market the poop out of him.
- ImThatGuy

That is a good idea and very plausible although I'm sure PHX would want some kind of conditional return if they dont resign MIller. Maybe a 1st in 2015 if Miller walks and Phoenix doesn't make it to the 2nd round of the playoffs that year, a 2nd if Miller walks and they win a playoff round.

Also Buffalo would have to eat 50% of his salary since Phoenix is in huge trouble salary wise. Which is fine for Buffalo who has lots of cap room.

I doubt an Oilers-Sabres deal as well. I don't know if there's still bad blood - all reports say that Lowe has patched things up with Burke for example - but aside from that it's not as good a fit as it once was. The complexion of the oilers has changed tremendously over that time from a team that was very good on defense and had little high end offensive talent to a team with poor team defense and great high end talent. With Eberle and Yakupov, we've got two players with similar sets of skills to Vanek.
- Morris

I just dont see them as being very good trade partners.

Frankly , I do not agree with this.
Miller and Pysyk to move up 1 spot is gross overpayment to Edmonton on Buffalo's behalf. You thinking the contrary bewilders me honestly.
But is your opinion.
- BuffaloHardHat

Not to move up 1 spot, but rather to get the pick. You'd still have the 8th.

Pysyk and Miller ain't getting you 7th overall. Again, Miller's a year away from free agency, and is 33, and on the decline of his career.
- TheNugeIsHuge

I would do that deal. Miller isnt done yet and Pysyk is a solid prospect. Maybe they throw in next years 3rd or something, but thats a pretty good deal IMO.

I just dont see them as being very good trade partners.
- ImThatGuy

I agree. Especially while both teams could more favourably target a couple of the cap-troubled teams.

Frankly , I do not agree with this.
Miller and Pysyk to move up 1 spot is gross overpayment to Edmonton on Buffalo's behalf. You thinking the contrary bewilders me honestly.
But is your opinion.
- BuffaloHardHat

huh? they are trading for the pick out right. It isn't Miller, Pysyk, 8th for 7th. Buffalo would have the 7th AND 8th picks. That's 2 of Monahan, Nurse, Lindholm.

Pysyk and Miller ain't getting you 7th overall. Again, Miller's a year away from free agency, and is 33, and on the decline of his career.
- TheNugeIsHuge

Goalies reach their prime in their mid to late thirties. How old was Rolosan when you rode him to the cup final ? How old was Tim Thomas when he won his first cup? How old is Martin Brodeur ? the list goes on and on.

That is a good idea and very plausible although I'm sure PHX would want some kind of conditional return if they dont resign MIller. Maybe a 1st in 2015 if Miller walks and Phoenix doesn't make it to the 2nd round of the playoffs that year, a 2nd if Miller walks and they win a playoff round.

Also Buffalo would have to eat 50% of his salary since Phoenix is in huge trouble salary wise. Which is fine for Buffalo who has lots of cap room.
- Steven_Dean

I thought I saw PHX had over20+ of cap space. With miller they would have about 18m in space with 7-8 players to sign. Aain I could be wrong.

I would also doubt Buffalo Gives up a first round pick in the next couple of years, we are rebuilding, and I cannot see Darcy giving up a pick that could potentially be a top pick. Now second rounders like you said i can see.

well you have to have some kind of insurance since Miller is the best player your moving. Plus 2 years of the "current great one" and a solid game plan should be enough to prevent you from giving up the "next great one" in 2015 should Miller walk.
- Steven_Dean

Where did I say you let miller walk ? you trade him for 1st round this draft and a roster player.

Frankly , I do not agree with this.
Miller and Pysyk to move up 1 spot is gross overpayment to Edmonton on Buffalo's behalf. You thinking the contrary bewilders me honestly.
But is your opinion.
- BuffaloHardHat

Agreed 100%.

Usually a team that's one behind you, looking to move up one spot would only have to give you their pick, plus one in the ensuing round.

However, the Oil fan has a point. If no pick is coming back to them, then of course they would want premier players.

Not to move up 1 spot, but rather to get the pick. You'd still have the 8th.
- Morris

Yes and that is gross overpayment on Buffalo's behalf.

Where did I say you let miller walk ? you trade him for 1st round this draft and a roster player.
- Maximum Signal

lol, if Miller walks from the team getting him