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jak521
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Buckle Up.
Joined: 02.19.2008

Jun 14 @ 11:05 AM ET
not really sure why Pronger is a -1.0 but here goes: I don't know how to get rid of his salary.
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- flyersfan51

You cant buy out pronger...
youarewrong
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 07.07.2010

Jun 14 @ 11:06 AM ET
amazing
- TrentKlatt


I know... Mind blowing right... Its like trying to summon Captain planet with "Heart".
cmr.266
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 06.07.2013

Jun 14 @ 11:07 AM ET
You cant buy out pronger...
- jak521


Right - which means another D salary has to go. Even if it means Mez for a nickel on the dollar. Though I expect them to bring in another D guy (FA or trade) for depth. I wouldn't be surprised if they picked on one of the amnestied guys around the league (Keith Ballard?).
Flyskippy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ignoreland, GA
Joined: 11.04.2005

Jun 14 @ 11:09 AM ET
The question is, do you want to win one round in the playoffs or do you want to build a team that can seriously compete with the Bruins, Kings, Blackhawks, Red Wings, etc.

I certainly don't think it is easy to win a Cup, and I agree that this mentality of "implement whatever system the last cup winner used" doesn't work either. But let's face it, it is also completely valid that an organization with our resources has not won a cup in 35 or whatever years.

I personally think Hamilton would have been the better selection to build a team that is more likely, all things considered, to win a cup in the long run. That doesn't take anything away from Coots either.

- TheGreat28

Either selection would have been a good one, but the wailing and gnashing of teeth here (upon losing to the Pens last year) would have been as unbearable as the incessant trade proposals inspired by the EA Sports NHL series.

A defensive center is just as valuable to team defense as a good defenseman. I prefer to have Couturier.
youarewrong
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 07.07.2010

Jun 14 @ 11:12 AM ET
So what do you know about Maata other then he's a defenseman?
- MJL


You mean other then he was draft by pittsburgh, is a solid defensive guy that is both mobil and has the ablitly to move the puck.

not much.
phillydentist
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 02.20.2013

Jun 14 @ 11:12 AM ET
Sure you can.

The Isles should be willing to trade us DiPietro and a pick or prospect for Bryzgalov.

- Flyers buyout DiPietro following the trade (it's almost the same as buying out Bryz) and get pick(s) and/or prospect(s) out of the deal.

- The Isles get a serviceable goalie with a contract that can easily keep them at the cap floor.

Obviously, Bryz would have to agree to such a move. Which already makes it highly unlikely.

- bradleyc4


This is actually a brilliant idea.
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Jun 14 @ 11:17 AM ET
You mean other then he was draft by pittsburgh, is a solid defensive guy that is both mobil and has the ablitly to move the puck.

not much.

- youarewrong



I can almost guarantee you that 99% of the fans that pooh-pooh the Laughton selection based on Maatta still being available have never watched him play hockey and are basing it purely on rankings, which about 10-12 teams in front of the Flyers thought were bunk as well.
phillydentist
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 02.20.2013

Jun 14 @ 11:18 AM ET
In retrospect.....

Coots or Dougie Hamilton ?

- MrBigglesworth


The chances of Holmgren&Co finding another Couturier in the draft are way higher than acquiring a Hamilton. For that alone, Hamilton all the way. Of course this is in retrospect which is what you asked for. I was OK with picking Couturier at #8 at that time.
PhillySteen
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Scania
Joined: 08.02.2011

Jun 14 @ 11:19 AM ET
Hey Bill (or anyone else that wants to chime in),

Great blog as usual. I'm just wondering if Flyers might be so gutsy (or whatever you'd call it) to sign Joacim Eriksson as a backup to Mason, and buy out Bryz? I could see that it would be easier to sign Eriksson if Flyers could basically promise ice-time. It would be risky but the extra cap-space could be put into good use to make the team better defensively.
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Jun 14 @ 11:19 AM ET
I think Bryz might agree to a trade. If he's bought out he will get a total of $8.21 million over the next five seasons instead of the $31 million he is due to be paid.

And I don't think he can make up that kind of shortfall by signing as a free agent.
phillydentist
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 02.20.2013

Jun 14 @ 11:19 AM ET
You mean other then he was draft by pittsburgh, is a solid defensive guy that is both mobil and has the ablitly to move the puck.

not much.

- youarewrong


The real Yoda would rename you "wrongyouare". Just saying.
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Jun 14 @ 11:23 AM ET
Hey Bill (or anyone else that wants to chime in),

Great blog as usual. I'm just wondering if Flyers might be so gutsy (or whatever you'd call it) to sign Joacim Eriksson as a backup to Mason, and buy out Bryz? I could see that it would be easier to sign Eriksson if Flyers could basically promise ice-time. It would be risky but the extra cap-space could be put into good use to make the team better defensively.

- PhillySteen



Unless he's a prodigy like Lundqvist (or rushed like Bob), he's going to need some time to relearn his angles on the smaller ice.
TrentKlatt
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.05.2013

Jun 14 @ 11:24 AM ET
Hey Bill (or anyone else that wants to chime in),

Great blog as usual. I'm just wondering if Flyers might be so gutsy (or whatever you'd call it) to sign Joacim Eriksson as a backup to Mason, and buy out Bryz? I could see that it would be easier to sign Eriksson if Flyers could basically promise ice-time. It would be risky but the extra cap-space could be put into good use to make the team better defensively.

- PhillySteen


Ive been thinking the same thing. Mason with Eriksson as backup... but yea, its really risky. Not every Swedish goaltender signed is going to come in like Victor Fasth did in Anaheim
phillydentist
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 02.20.2013

Jun 14 @ 11:24 AM ET
I think Bryz might agree to a trade. If he's bought out he will get a total of $8.21 million over the next five seasons instead of the $31 million he is due to be paid.

And I don't think he can make up that kind of shortfall by signing as a free agent.

- Feanor


Agree that, financially, a trade is better for Bryz.

The TFP article stated that buying out Bryz is not just financial but also because some of his teammates don't like him, don't want to play with him or for him. That's two teams now that say he's a locker room cancer. IMO, if he's bought out, he most likely goes to the KHL as I can't imagine any more NHL teams would be stupid enough to give him a big contract.
youarewrong
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 07.07.2010

Jun 14 @ 11:24 AM ET
The real Yoda would rename you "wrongyouare". Just saying.
- phillydentist


Lame.

Come on I know you can do better then that.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jun 14 @ 11:26 AM ET
You mean other then he was draft by pittsburgh, is a solid defensive guy that is both mobil and has the ablitly to move the puck.

not much.

- youarewrong



Exactly. So how can you say that they should've taken Maata instead of Laughton? Just because he plays defense?
youarewrong
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 07.07.2010

Jun 14 @ 11:26 AM ET
Ive been thinking the same thing. Mason with Eriksson as backup... but yea, its really risky. Not every Swedish goaltender signed is going to come in like Victor Fasth did in Anaheim
- TrentKlatt


Who wants to give me odds the Flyers sign Tim Thomas to a 1 year deal?
cmr.266
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 06.07.2013

Jun 14 @ 11:27 AM ET
Agree that, financially, a trade is better for Bryz.

The TFP article stated that buying out Bryz is not just financial but also because some of his teammates don't like him, don't want to play with him or for him. That's two teams now that say he's a locker room cancer. IMO, if he's brought out, he most likely goes to the KHL as I can't imagine any more NHL teams would be stupid enough to give him a big contract.

- phillydentist


Great point. Nobody is eating that contract through 2020. Nobody. Bit finding a replacement (even if young/short-term) is easier said than done and likely costs a Matt Read, or Laughton, or picks - you get the picture.
phillydentist
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 02.20.2013

Jun 14 @ 11:28 AM ET
Exactly. So how can you say that they should've taken Maata instead of Laughton? Just because he plays defense?
- MJL


You completely missed his sarcasm. Intentional?
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jun 14 @ 11:28 AM ET
The chances of Holmgren&Co finding another Couturier in the draft are way higher than acquiring a Hamilton. For that alone, Hamilton all the way. Of course this is in retrospect which is what you asked for. I was OK with picking Couturier at #8 at that time.
- phillydentist



Really, there is so much unknown here to make that statement. Couturier could wind up being a much better player. Change the name and just put defense as the position the no name plays, and he would be the guy that they should've taken.
cmr.266
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 06.07.2013

Jun 14 @ 11:28 AM ET
Who wants to give me odds the Flyers sign Tim Thomas to a 1 year deal?
- youarewrong


12%
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jun 14 @ 11:29 AM ET
You completely missed his sarcasm. Intentional?
- phillydentist



I didn't miss anything. The bottom line that all he and I know about Maata is what we read about him. Which amounts to nothing.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jun 14 @ 11:30 AM ET
I think Bryz might agree to a trade. If he's bought out he will get a total of $8.21 million over the next five seasons instead of the $31 million he is due to be paid.

And I don't think he can make up that kind of shortfall by signing as a free agent.

- Feanor



I think you have the number wrong. He will get 2/3rds of the 31M.
TrentKlatt
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.05.2013

Jun 14 @ 11:32 AM ET
Who wants to give me odds the Flyers sign Tim Thomas to a 1 year deal?
- youarewrong


So go from one "locker room cancer" to another? Although that one plays a better game... however, after a year off?
phillydentist
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 02.20.2013

Jun 14 @ 11:32 AM ET
Really, there is so much unknown here to make that statement. Couturier could wind up being a much better player. Change the name and just put defense as the position the no name plays, and he would be the guy that they should've taken.
- MJL


Couturier had a decent rookie season, a great round of playoffs vs the Penguins and a disappointing shortened 2nd season. You can just as easily say Hamilton might wind up being the much better player too. Hamilton at least fills a bigger need.
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