To get in the top 5 it will take more then that
To get a top 3 it will cost the 6th ++
- Redmile247

I think any hope of Feaster not screwing this up just went out the window with the Colorado offer.....

I think any hope of Feaster not screwing this up just went out the window with the Colorado offer.....
- Iggysbff

I'm with you. I would love to start a rebuild with Mckinnon but it aint happening & we cant afford this. Cant blame him for trying to get the next franchise player, but his credit card limit isn't high enough to go in that store. They really need to focus in trying to extract that #5 out of Carolina, I'd offer up Gio & the #28 for it, but that's about as high as we are going to get. I would be trying to package up any roster players to get an extra top 15 pick. In 2 years if they draft right, they may have some pieces that many teams would want. Deal from strength, we don't have any right now.

Trade for RD buyout + Nino + 15th pick
Calgary gives up 22nd pick and Tanguay and a 2nd in 2014.

Draft:
-Lindholm (6th)
-Shinkaruk or Morrisey (15th)
-Rychel (28th)

I'm with you. I would love to start a rebuild with Mckinnon but it aint happening & we cant afford this. Cant blame him for trying to get the next franchise player, but his credit card limit isn't high enough to go in that store. They really need to focus in trying to extract that #5 out of Carolina, I'd offer up Gio & the #28 for it, but that's about as high as we are going to get. I would be trying to package up any roster players to get an extra top 15 pick. In 2 years if they draft right, they may have some pieces that many teams would want. Deal from strength, we don't have any right now.
- Kevin R

Everyone is creaming over the top 4-5 but this draft is very deep. Being compared to 2003 by many. That year about 20 of the first rounders have gone on to become all star players and some even franchise guys. Even the second round produced a bunch of guys that today are allstar franchise guys. Feaster should be patient. But this shows that they are indeed once again trying to take short cuts. And we all know how that has worked out for many teams....

Trade for RD buyout + Nino + 15th pick
Calgary gives up 22nd pick and Tanguay and a 2nd in 2014.

Draft:
-Lindholm (6th)
-Shinkaruk or Morrisey (15th)
-Rychel (28th)
- FLflames34

Edwards will not be writing a check to RD....not in a million years.

Vinny isn't going anywhere via buyout or trade. The only way the #3 pick moves is for a young NHL-ready or already in the NHL d-man
- uf1910

How about Cundari + + ?
Then, pick Barkov at #3.

I'm with you. I would love to start a rebuild with Mckinnon but it aint happening & we cant afford this. Cant blame him for trying to get the next franchise player, but his credit card limit isn't high enough to go in that store. They really need to focus in trying to extract that #5 out of Carolina, I'd offer up Gio & the #28 for it, but that's about as high as we are going to get. I would be trying to package up any roster players to get an extra top 15 pick. In 2 years if they draft right, they may have some pieces that many teams would want. Deal from strength, we don't have any right now.
- Kevin R

Question being, do you take Nichushkin at #5? I really want him on the Flames, even if he isn't a C. I would do Gio and a 22 if that is what it took to get a #5 and #6 pick in this draft.

Question being, do you take Nichushkin at #5? I really want him on the Flames, even if he isn't a C. I would do Gio and a 22 if that is what it took to get a #5 and #6 pick in this draft.
- FLflames34

Absolutefrigginly you take Nichushkin & Monohan for a 5 & 6 double wham. I do agree that it would take a helluva sell job to get Edwrads to take a RD buyout. You are bang on with that approach. Tanguay or Cammi back to the Islaners to mitigate the $$$ commitment. 16 years to repay, so if Tanguay is 10.5 mill left, DP's buyout is 24 mill over 16 years, that means 13.5 mill difference over 16 years is about $900K per year. We are a cap team & usual actual $$$ are over the cap because of the front loading we had done, so run a self imposed cap $900K cheaper & sell that to Edwards. He gets 2 more pieces in Nino & that 15th over all to rebound in this rebuild a little quicker. Means playoff potential & more $$$ quicker.

Everyone is creaming over the top 4-5 but this draft is very deep. Being compared to 2003 by many. That year about 20 of the first rounders have gone on to become all star players and some even franchise guys. Even the second round produced a bunch of guys that today are allstar franchise guys. Feaster should be patient. But this shows that they are indeed once again trying to take short cuts. And we all know how that has worked out for many teams....
- Iggysbff

As much as we need the 6th I wouldn't be opposed to trading that 6th to Columbus for their 3 picks if they were so inclined. Or I would do the 6th & a 3rd or 2014 2nd for Buffalos 8th & 16th.

Absolutefrigginly you take Nichushkin & Monohan for a 5 & 6 double wham. I do agree that it would take a helluva sell job to get Edwrads to take a RD buyout. You are bang on with that approach. Tanguay or Cammi back to the Islaners to mitigate the $$$ commitment. 16 years to repay, so if Tanguay is 10.5 mill left, DP's buyout is 24 mill over 16 years, that means 13.5 mill difference over 16 years is about $900K per year. We are a cap team & usual actual $$$ are over the cap because of the front loading we had done, so run a self imposed cap $900K cheaper & sell that to Edwards. He gets 2 more pieces in Nino & that 15th over all to rebound in this rebuild a little quicker. Means playoff potential & more $$$ quicker.
- Kevin R

Nino would be a star on the Flames. And they are basically getting a roster player who can play top 6 minutes, to get them over the hump (and only trading down 7 spots in the draft). ME should not be opposed to doing this as implied by bff above since (like you said) he is willing to spend to the cap each year. And Tangs is cheaper for Wang than would be Cammi.

As for trading with Buff, they are in the same position as Calgary....not sure they want to lose the chance to pick twice in the first rd of this draft. Would be a nice idea though.

Am I the only one who likes Lindholm over Monohan? Backs and him would be great for eachother, and who knows, they could be the future 1/2 until Janks (maybe) is ready. I would be fine with either though, if they end up picking a C at #6 and not trading up.

Either way, this draft is more exciting than any recent one I can think of.

Feaster said his scouts have identified 4 players as being "franchise players", only thing is he didn't specify which ones. I'm sure that the top three are obvious (Jones, Mac, Drouin) but i'm interested to see who he thinks is the 4th one. Barkov or Nichushkin.

Feaster said his scouts have identified 4 players as being "franchise players", only thing is he didn't specify which ones. I'm sure that the top three are obvious (Jones, Mac, Drouin) but i'm interested to see who he thinks is the 4th one. Barkov or Nichushkin.
- Talking_hockey1

Just a guess but its prolly Barkov.

Edwards will not be writing a check to RD....not in a million years.
- Iggysbff

No I don't think so either
I think this idea if trading for RD to buy out and get a high end prospect along with him is wishful thinking by fans everywhere , just because you are allowed to buyout players doesn't mean you have to . I'm all for GMs being creative but you gotta be realistic

I think any hope of Feaster not screwing this up just went out the window with the Colorado offer.....
- Iggysbff

Agreed
I'm all for going after a higher pick but hearing this worries me
This draft is deep and you have 3 first so use them

Just a guess but its prolly Barkov.
- Iggysbff

And that's the thing, to me Nichushkin is the better pick. They're both big, strong, fast players and they can both put the puck in the back of the net but the one thing Nichushkin has that Barkov doesn't is stronger skating. Out of all the scouting reports on Barkov, his Skating has been identified as the biggest downfall, not that it can't be worked on but it is still there.

Everyone is creaming over the top 4-5 but this draft is very deep. Being compared to 2003 by many. That year about 20 of the first rounders have gone on to become all star players and some even franchise guys. Even the second round produced a bunch of guys that today are allstar franchise guys. Feaster should be patient. But this shows that they are indeed once again trying to take short cuts. And we all know how that has worked out for many teams....
- Iggysbff

I don't mind the Flames offering their three picks for the first overall. I know that it's nice to build and get deep yada yada, but you need that franchise player. Most likely they wont be found in the 20-30th picks. The Flames might be able to get a franchise guy at 6, but as feaster has said, they feel there are 4 franchise type players. Who knows, one of those guys could fall to them at 6.

Right now I expect that we probably wont hear anything until the draft is actually under-way and players are getting picked off. If the Flames are going to move up now it will be a last minute deal....maybe a team like Tampa really wants MacKinnon and if he doesn't fall to them they would be willing to deal.

I don't mind the Flames offering their three picks for the first overall. I know that it's nice to build and get deep yada yada, but you need that franchise player. Most likely they wont be found in the 20-30th picks. The Flames might be able to get a franchise guy at 6, but as feaster has said, they feel there are 4 franchise type players. Who knows, one of those guys could fall to them at 6.

Right now I expect that we probably wont hear anything until the draft is actually under-way and players are getting picked off. If the Flames are going to move up now it will be a last minute deal....maybe a team like Tampa really wants MacKinnon and if he doesn't fall to them they would be willing to deal.
- The-O-G

I think there's a deal to be made with Florida. If Colorado take Jones then I can't see Tallon saying no to our 3 1st rounders.

I think there's a deal to be made with Florida. If Colorado take Jones then I can't see Tallon saying no to our 3 1st rounders.
- whipper334

I kind of agree....Florida doesn't really need their pick, they already have some potential superstars in their system, and lots of them. They might look at this as an opportunity to move down and grab some depth which would be a good move for their franchise. I could also see them looking for some more immediate help. A guy like Glencross or Giordanno could be very attractive for them. I could see a way the Flames pry the 2nd overall pick and still keep their sixth.

22 + 28 + Glencross? Not sure if that is enough?

I kind of agree....Florida doesn't really need their pick, they already have some potential superstars in their system, and lots of them. They might look at this as an opportunity to move down and grab some depth which would be a good move for their franchise. I could also see them looking for some more immediate help. A guy like Glencross or Giordanno could be very attractive for them. I could see a way the Flames pry the 2nd overall pick and still keep their sixth.

22 + 28 + Glencross? Not sure if that is enough?
- The-O-G

22+28+hudler or cammy might

I kind of agree....Florida doesn't really need their pick, they already have some potential superstars in their system, and lots of them. They might look at this as an opportunity to move down and grab some depth which would be a good move for their franchise. I could also see them looking for some more immediate help. A guy like Glencross or Giordanno could be very attractive for them. I could see a way the Flames pry the 2nd overall pick and still keep their sixth.

22 + 28 + Glencross? Not sure if that is enough?
- The-O-G

It would probably take more. I think the 6th overall would have to be in play.

It would probably take more. I think the 6th overall would have to be in play.
- whipper334

I'd rather they trade with carolina and edmonton then and come out with 2 of monahan/Nisch/Barkov

I kind of agree....Florida doesn't really need their pick, they already have some potential superstars in their system, and lots of them. They might look at this as an opportunity to move down and grab some depth which would be a good move for their franchise. I could also see them looking for some more immediate help. A guy like Glencross or Giordanno could be very attractive for them. I could see a way the Flames pry the 2nd overall pick and still keep their sixth.

22 + 28 + Glencross? Not sure if that is enough?
- The-O-G

Don't think that's enough based on what other teams would offer that #2 overall pick. Personally I just don't see #1 thru 4 being moved. Price is way to high for anyone. The # 5 is doable, expensive but doable. I suggest we offer GlenX & Gio & our #22 to Carolina for their #5 & Skinner. They don't have much cap space, they need to resign Skinner, so offer them cheaper great options that GlenX & Gio represent for their needs. Give them one of our later 1st's so they still have a 1st rounder as well. Take 5 & 6 & Skinner & start to rebuild around them with Brodie Backlund & Sven.

Don't think that's enough based on what other teams would offer that #2 overall pick. Personally I just don't see #1 thru 4 being moved. Price is way to high for anyone. The # 5 is doable, expensive but doable. I suggest we offer GlenX & Gio & our #22 to Carolina for their #5 & Skinner. They don't have much cap space, they need to resign Skinner, so offer them cheaper great options that GlenX & Gio represent for their needs. Give them one of our later 1st's so they still have a 1st rounder as well. Take 5 & 6 & Skinner & start to rebuild around them with Brodie Backlund & Sven.
- Kevin R

Not sure when but I didn't realize Skinner was already resigned, so much for those 4 weeks of strategy planning Is it too early to drink yet?

Don't think that's enough based on what other teams would offer that #2 overall pick. Personally I just don't see #1 thru 4 being moved. Price is way to high for anyone. The # 5 is doable, expensive but doable. I suggest we offer GlenX & Gio & our #22 to Carolina for their #5 & Skinner. They don't have much cap space, they need to resign Skinner, so offer them cheaper great options that GlenX & Gio represent for their needs. Give them one of our later 1st's so they still have a 1st rounder as well. Take 5 & 6 & Skinner & start to rebuild around them with Brodie Backlund & Sven.
- Kevin R

Sorry dude. There's no way the Canes would make that deal.

22+28+hudler or cammy might
- numbear

retain half of cammy's salary maybe