I just listened to the Adrian Dater call on WGR and he seems to think the Avs could take MacKinnon. I don't see how they could justify drafting another center when their defense is so subpar. Unless they traded Statsny away prior to the draft. Would anyone trade miller for Statsny straight up? They mentioned that in the call.
- Pierceme69

No, I really don't think That helps the rebuild much

I just listened to the Adrian Dater call on WGR and he seems to think the Avs could take MacKinnon. I don't see how they could justify drafting another center when their defense is so subpar. Unless they traded Statsny away prior to the draft. Would anyone trade miller for Statsny straight up? They mentioned that in the call.
- Pierceme69

You could take MacKinnon and trade part of the sudden ridiculous amount of depth they have at the center position for defensive help.

Any one of Stasny, O'Reilly (when he's eligible to be traded), Duchene and MacKinnon would fetch a ridiculous return.

You could take MacKinnon and trade part of the sudden ridiculous amount of depth they have at the center position for defensive help.
- buffalofan19

Lets face it, the Avs want and will take Jones at 1, they are driving up the cost for Mackinnon so teams feel they need to take COL pick if they want Mack, hoping someone like Darcy gives them a ridiculous amount for someone going number 2

I think they have a much better chance of it making a difference at the #1 overall than the #8 overall, for the very reason you stated: I don't trust Darcy to make the right decision. By moving to #1 overall, you take the decision-making out of his hands, which is the only way this team gets better.
- buffalofan19

You can look at that both ways, true to what you posted also another way is, if you are rebuilding you want 2 picks in the first round to get you 2 more players to add to your rebuild process. 8th and 16th isn't bad i'm sure other teams would like to have both of those.

HAHA...

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Looks like you are Trebek!!

Starting with 2010, the last 10 #8 and #16 picks:

#8
Alexander Burmistrov
Scott Glenny
Mikkel Boedker
Zach Hammill
Peter Mueller
Devin Setoguchi
Alexandre Picard
Braydon Coburn
Pierre-March Bouchard
Pascal LeClaire

#16
Vladimir Tarasenko
Nick Leddy
Joe Colborne
Colton Gilles
Ty Wishart
Alexander Bourret
Petteri Nokelainen
Steve Bernier
Jakub Klepis
RJ Umberger

Out of those 20 first round picks, maybe 7 players that can play in the top-6/top-4 (Setoguchi, Boedker, Mueller, Umberger, Taransenko, Coburn, Leddy). Granted, this is supposedly a deep draft, but there's a lot more uncertainty with #8 and #16 than moving up to the top 5. If you're willing to part with assets to increase your probability of an impact player (maybe both #8 and #16 and a young prospect to Carolina) then by all means, go for it.

A lot of funny celebrity jeopardy related comments are now MIA hmmm...

You can look at that both ways, true to what you posted also another way is, if you are rebuilding you want 2 picks in the first round to get you 2 more players to add to your rebuild process. 8th and 16th isn't bad i'm sure other teams would like to have both of those.
- SABRES 89

Monahan or Lindholm would be nice at 8. It would be lousy if we didn't trade up and they went at 6 and 7.

Lets face it, the Avs want and will take Jones at 1, they are driving up the cost for Mackinnon so teams feel they need to take COL pick if they want Mack, hoping someone like Darcy gives them a ridiculous amount for someone going number 2
- sbroads24

That could very well be, but taking MacKinnon at that spot doesn't set your franchise back either. That's the point.

You can look at that both ways, true to what you posted also another way is, if you are rebuilding you want 2 picks in the first round to get you 2 more players to add to your rebuild process. 8th and 16th isn't bad i'm sure other teams would like to have both of those.
- SABRES 89

Darcy Regier has been supposedly really good at adding "depth" for years. For some reason, he is considered one of the better drafting GM's in the league. I'm sick of "adding players". I want an impact guy, someone Darcy has never really acquired since Briere.

That could very well be, but taking MacKinnon at that spot doesn't set your franchise back either. That's the point.
- buffalofan19

MacKinnon would be my top pick, but if we get a better value by trading up to 4 or 5 and taking Barkov or Nichushkin I think that wouldn't be a bad move either.

Monahan or Lindholm would be nice at 8. It would be lousy if we didn't trade up and they went at 6 and 7.
- Pierceme69

To be honest I only know about a couple of these young players, I don't follow much in that area like Gerbe does. I just think trading away a lot to move up doesn't make sense to me, I would keep 8th and 16th to add to the team. I understand it's valuable to try and move up but, it will cost.

A lot of funny celebrity jeopardy related comments are now MIA hmmm...
- bsabres716

Fun not allowed.

That could very well be, but taking MacKinnon at that spot doesn't set your franchise back either. That's the point.
- buffalofan19

It does if your giving up Myers, Grigo, McNabb. We have a talent problem. We need a lot of young talent. Having Mackinnon with a bunch of average players won't do much

Darcy Regier has been supposedly really good at adding "depth" for years. For some reason, he is considered one of the better drafting GM's in the league. I'm sick of "adding players". I want an impact guy, someone Darcy has never really acquired since Briere.
- buffalofan19

IMO I don't think this team can get better under Darcy, it's been tried now for how long and it hasn't worked. This is a big change for the Sabres and Darcy has no business being in charge of it.

I feel that with either Vanek or Miller or both leaving, getting back into the first round is almost a guarantee.
- Watchtower62

... i dont think you understand how hockey works

a team hurting on depth and top end talent as it is, already moved pommers, moving vanek and miller for prospects as it seems...... first round playoffs are all but guaranteed gone
your own 1st overall pick tho....

Monahan or Lindholm would be nice at 8. It would be lousy if we didn't trade up and they went at 6 and 7.
- Pierceme69

Homer said yesterday that he heard if they stay at 8 and Lindholm was available they would not pick him

He also said that he thinks Vanek will be moved and Miller will stay put......keeping Miller makes no sense what so ever. I hope Homer is wrong

It does if your giving up Myers, Grigo, McNabb. We have a talent problem. We need a lot of young talent. Having Mackinnon with a bunch of average players won't do much
- sbroads24

It won't do anything, I agree.

... i dont think you understand how hockey works

a team hurting on depth and top end talent as it is, already moved pommers, moving vanek and miller for prospects as it seems...... first round playoffs are all but guaranteed gone
your own 1st overall pick tho....
- nightmare3020

We understand how it works, our GM doesn't.

... i dont think you understand how hockey works

a team hurting on depth and top end talent as it is, already moved pommers, moving vanek and miller for prospects as it seems...... first round playoffs are all but guaranteed gone
your own 1st overall pick tho....
- nightmare3020

Let me know how happy you are when the Leafs make the playoffs but lose in the first round every year.

It does if your giving up Myers, Grigo, McNabb. We have a talent problem. We need a lot of young talent. Having Mackinnon with a bunch of average players won't do much
- sbroads24

I thought we were talking about Colorado.

It does if your giving up Myers, Grigo, McNabb. We have a talent problem. We need a lot of young talent. Having Mackinnon with a bunch of average players won't do much
- sbroads24

Agreed. Penguins should have traded the #1 pick in 2005 so Crosby didn't have to play with a bunch of scrubs (and Lemieux for like 10 games).

Agreed. Penguins should have traded the #1 pick in 2005 so Crosby didn't have to play with a bunch of scrubs (and Lemieux for like 10 games).
- jmatchett383

Yes because Mackinnon is a generational player like Crosby. Or we could give up multiple pieces for the next Taylor Hall

I think staying pat at 8 and 16 could be a huge mistake. We have the peices to get into the top 5 where we can get a 1st line player regardless. With that pick maybe we can move somethign around to get into the top 3. The value from 8 to 5 as ive said for days isnt that much.

Just think

8 and choose SUckkera,Mcnabb,JGL, Pysk,Ruewedel
for the 5th

Let me know how happy you are when the Leafs make the playoffs but lose in the first round every year.
- theblueandgold

I don't think they"ll lose in the first round every year.