My favorite was the time when Eric Lindros nearly died in a Nashville hotel room bathtub because of a ruptured spleen.

I have never, ever, heard of that happening.

That was just unbelievable. It was. You just sat there and read that and you knew, you just knew, they were never going to win a Cup with him.

You just knew it.
- AllInForFlyers

The Flyers have had their share of misfortune and tragedy. Ashbee, Parent's back and then eye. The way injuries ravaged the 1985 & 87 finalists, Lindros being out for the 1999 playoffs with the lung and then the circus in 2000. The numerous injuries on defense in 2004. Coburn and Timonen missing for most of the 2008 ECF vs the Pens...

We need to get Cerrano a live chicken

Exactly -- sometimes, I have looked at the teams that have beaten the Flyers and just laughed, because of how they've done it.

Kimmo Timonen develops a blood clot AND Braydon Coburn gets hit in the eye with a puck, and NEITHER is available for the Eastern Conference final against Pittsburgh a few years back? That's unbelievable! While Drew Doughty plays 55 minutes a night for the L.A. Kings and doesn't miss a shift, let alone develop a blood clot!

It's just unbelievable sometimes, the circumstances surrounding how the Flyers have lost.
- AllInForFlyers

In the Conference Finals against TB, look at all the injuries to the defenseman there.

Yes...but it's more luck, sometimes. How does anybody know, for example, that longtime European veteran Tim Thomas is a Cup winner, but Roman Cechmanek isn't?

Peter Chiarelli didn't acquire Tuuka Rask...and that's the goalie the Flyers came back on from 3-0 down in 2010. Most guys would never be the same after that. It's a borderline miracle that Rask is getting it done with the same team -- and Chiarelli gets credit for keeping him, but holy hell -- hardly any other team would've done it.

But at the same time, clearly the Bruins didn't know that Thomas was the answer then, either -- otherwise he would've been in the net in 2010! So it's partly luck that Rask blew the 3-0 lead, because he would never have been in the net the next season!

Ken Holland has won cups with Chris Osgood and an ancient Dominik Hasek and Mike Vernon. It is unbelievable to me that he's picked all of those guys at the right time, and those guys have played well enough at the right time, to win ALL THREE. It's a borderline miracle that you pick three random guys and win the Cup!

Holland gets credit for it, and rightly so. But how Chris Osgood, multiple cup winner? OMG! Seriously? It's unbelievable!
- AllInForFlyers

well, if homer craps out, let's hire the lucky guy nxt time

I hope he gets dealt for some solid prospects here in a few weeks....
- Giroux_Is_God

One of the ESPN baseball gusy, think it was Bowden or Duquette tweeted asking Phillies fans if they'd trade Papelbon for Nick Castellanos...I saw about 40 tweets saying some variation of "(frank) YEah!" in two minutes

I really hate that he traded Lee after the 2009 WS.
- Jsaquella

as do i. i think it was a bad move aimed to cut cost and recoup some youth, but at the time it was pulling in the opposite direction from which they had been going. kind of like trying to run in two directions at once. im glad he is back though. regardless of how the rest of the team is doing, he is just a joy to watch every fifth day.

One of the ESPN baseball gusy, think it was Bowden or Duquette tweeted asking Phillies fans if they'd trade Papelbon for Nick Castellanos...I saw about 40 tweets saying some variation of "(frank) YEah!" in two minutes
- Jsaquella

the papelbon signing was rough from the start. a vast overpayment. they could have mariano in his prime, but it doesnt matter if your 7th and 8th inning guys blow it before you have a chance to get to him. i would have loved mike adams a few years ago though

I paid off my Mastur Card. I only have a Visa now.
- Flyskippy

they sure bate you with offers, don't they?

as do i. i think it was a bad move aimed to cut cost and recoup some youth, but at the time it was pulling in the opposite direction from which they had been going. kind of like trying to run in two directions at once. im glad he is back though. regardless of how the rest of the team is doing, he is just a joy to watch every fifth day.
- stayinthefnnet

I get the rationale, but they traded a guy coming off a very good season and World Series and got...well basically nothing.

Tyson Gillies is still in AAA ball, Phillippe Aumont needs a GPS to find the strike zone and the other guy is a busboy.

the papelbon signing was rough from the start. a vast overpayment. they could have mariano in his prime, but it doesnt matter if your 7th and 8th inning guys blow it before you have a chance to get to him. i would have loved mike adams a few years ago though
- stayinthefnnet

Yep. The bullpen has been either really good or really awful every year since 2008

One of the ESPN baseball gusy, think it was Bowden or Duquette tweeted asking Phillies fans if they'd trade Papelbon for Nick Castellanos...I saw about 40 tweets saying some variation of "(frank) YEah!" in two minutes
- Jsaquella

Don't have a problem with that.

There's a lot of luck involved with drafting. And it's really unbelievable how unlucky the Flyers have been when it comes to drafting defenseman and goaltenders.
- MJL

preparation and opportunity seem to have worked better for others i guess...if i pulled those excuses out during my performance review i would have been sh1tcanned many times. maybe we need a change huh?

I get the rationale, but they traded a guy coming off a very good season and World Series and got...well basically nothing.

Tyson Gillies is still in AAA ball, Phillippe Aumont needs a GPS to find the strike zone and the other guy is a busboy.
- Jsaquella

totally agree. if you are going to move a stud, at least get quality back. i realize prospects in baseball are more of a crapshoot than any other sport, but christ. they werent even that highly touted at the time of the trade. i remember at the time being irate. they should have realized their short window and just stayed full steam ahead at it. this downturn was going to occur regardless. they might as well have tired to capitalize on the years they had.

I get the rationale, but they traded a guy coming off a very good season and World Series and got...well basically nothing.

Tyson Gillies is still in AAA ball, Phillippe Aumont needs a GPS to find the strike zone and the other guy is a busboy.
- Jsaquella

bad luck...why ya' blamin' Ruin?

I get the rationale, but they traded a guy coming off a very good season and World Series and got...well basically nothing.

Tyson Gillies is still in AAA ball, Phillippe Aumont needs a GPS to find the strike zone and the other guy is a busboy.
- Jsaquella

ill be the first to admit though, whatever the hell has gotten into brown lately i sure as hell didnt see coming. i had essentially written him off.

totally agree. if you are going to move a stud, at least get quality back. i realize prospects in baseball are more of a crapshoot than any other sport, but christ. they werent even that highly touted at the time of the trade. i remember at the time being irate. they should have realized their short window and just stayed full steam ahead at it. this downturn was going to occur regardless. they might as well have tired to capitalize on the years they had.
- stayinthefnnet

Wait wasn't that all part of that 4 team trade for Doc, though?

ill be the first to admit though, whatever the hell has gotten into brown lately i sure as hell didnt see coming. i had essentially written him off.
- stayinthefnnet

I honestly don't remember seeing anything like what he did in May in any sport ever....wow

preparation and opportunity seem to have worked better for others i guess...if i pulled those excuses out during my performance review i would have been sh1tcanned many times. maybe we need a change huh?
- isaiah520

Well then let's look at the Flyers drafting record under Holmgren and give him a performance review. It's pretty solid. And making that analogy is pretty weak. Are you dealing with the inexact science that the NHL Draft is? That's a crap shoot at best, for even those who are the best at it?

In terms of defenseman, the Nashville Predators knew exactly what they were getting when they drafted Shea Weber with the 49th pick in the draft, after drafting Konstantin Glazachev with the 35th pick in the same draft.
And Montreal knew they were drafting a potential Norris Trophy level defenseman when they drafted PK Subban with the 43rd pick.
And the Detroit Red Wings absolutely knew they were drafting a defenseman who would arguably become the best defenseman to ever play the game, with the 53rd pick in the NHL Draft. After selecting Mike Sillinger with the 11th pick, and Bob Boughner with the 32nd pick in the same 1989 NHL Draft. All due to their genius scouting. No luck involved at all!
- MJL

Exactly!!!! The Flyers try and draft a local product in Bobby Sanguietti ( sp)....with the 23 rd over all pick in the 2006 draft.... But the Rangers draft him one pick ahead of the Flyers pick.....instead the Flyers settle for a skinny center from the Q....The Flyers GM is so flustered he forgets the kids name....that kid....Claude Giroux....there is a lot of luck involved....these are 18 year old kids....I am more concerned about the franchises ability to develop these young D men, after they are drafted.

I get the rationale, but they traded a guy coming off a very good season and World Series and got...well basically nothing.

Tyson Gillies is still in AAA ball, Phillippe Aumont needs a GPS to find the strike zone and the other guy is a busboy.
- Jsaquella

JC Ramirez has been crap. I believe he's the busboy your talking about.

I just don't get why they didn't just keep Lee or wait until the offers were just too good to turn down.

bad luck...why ya' blamin' Ruin?



- isaiah520

haha i see what you are saying, but christ that was just a bad trade in the first place. they put this unnecessary pressure on themselves to move him in the first place, and they got squat back. at least in the rolen situation when they traded a stud for crap, they kind of had a gun to their heads to do so.

when the phillies have decades of consistent effort and desire by ownership, then i guess id be a little softer in judgement. when it takes the prospect of a new stadium for your ownership to realize that maybe travis lee and his 8 home runs a year isnt a suitable option at the power position of first base, you damn well better make the most of it once you finally decent to be a competitive team.

you guys don't know boy or girl? awesome
- Don'tForgetTocchet

Nope! My wife declined to know at the last minute when we went for the ultrasound. Then, a week later, declined again when we had to go back because baby was positioned in such a way that they could not get all of the measurements that the ultrasound techs wanted.

Wait wasn't that all part of that 4 team trade for Doc, though?
- Giroux_Is_God

i thought the doc trade was primarily based around them parting with guys like drabek for him. i viewed the lee trade as their attempt at recooping their farm losses in the doc trade. it sure would have been nice for them to just leave well enough alone and have the two of them together at the same time earlier than they did.

haha i see what you are saying, but christ that was just a bad trade in the first place. they put this unnecessary pressure on themselves to move him in the first place, and they got squat back. at least in the rolen situation when they traded a stud for crap, they kind of had a gun to their heads to do so.

when the phillies have decades of consistent effort and desire by ownership, then i guess id be a little softer in judgement. when it takes the prospect of a new stadium for your ownership to realize that maybe travis lee and his 8 home runs a year isnt a suitable option at the power position of first base, you damn well better make the most of it once you finally decent to be a competitive team.
- stayinthefnnet

Travis (frank)in Lee.

He was supposed to be the savior....

I am more a fan of the Flyers than other Philly teams for two reasons. One, it's hockey. But two, there's never any question about their motives. They are trying to win the Stanley Cup.

They may be guilty of misguided passion, but it's never passion to save a buck or whatever else, it's a passion to win.
- Jsaquella

Except during this team president's tenure:



Um. The guy on the left...

the papelbon signing was rough from the start. a vast overpayment. they could have Mariano in his prime, but it doesnt matter if your 7th and 8th inning guys blow it before you have a chance to get to him. i would have loved mike Adams a few years ago though
- stayinthefnnet

RAJ not only over paid, he lost the 1st rd pick. Adams will come around, the injury last year was serious. Charlie is terrible at picking situations for the BP arms to come in. Horst is a lefty specialist, period. However, we don't know what's coming from upstairs.

Delmon Young? Seriously?

Sorry, I could go on all night.