You're still screwed, and eating in-breed cows. ; ) I mean this is a dairy example but....The greatest bull the Holstein breed has ever seen is a Canadian-bred sire by the name of Braedale Goldwyn. With over 31,000 daughters in Canada, Goldwyn was also the first bull in the history of the breed to reach 1,000 Excellent (EX) daughters in Canada. He's been dead five years, but his frozen semen is still making babies lol......no imagine, with over 31,000 daughters, and 1,000's of sire sons.....IN-BREEDING!
- mykokes

the Burger you just made on your BBQ has how many different cows in it?

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You're still screwed, and eating in-breed cows. ; ) I mean this is a dairy example but....The greatest bull the Holstein breed has ever seen is a Canadian-bred sire by the name of Braedale Goldwyn. With over 31,000 daughters in Canada, Goldwyn was also the first bull in the history of the breed to reach 1,000 Excellent (EX) daughters in Canada. He's been dead five years, but his frozen semen is still making babies lol......no imagine, with over 31,000 daughters, and 1,000's of sire sons.....IN-BREEDING!
- mykokes

ok.. now tell me how inbreeding actually effects the meat itself?

thats where you are losing me. i can see maybe if you eat a lot of liver since thats an argan.. but i dont get it.. how is the meat effected by inbreeding?

Joseph Salk was an American from the U of Pittsburgh.

Am I missing something here?
- Atomic Wedgie

Connaught Medical Research Laboratories in the University of Toronto. Connaught researchers made two key contributions that allowed the poliovirus to be safely cultivated in enough quantities to enable the NFIP's unprecedented trial of Salk's inactivated vaccine (IPV).

Beginning in 1947, Dr. Andrew J. Rhodes (1911-1995) led a comprehensive polio research program at Connaught. With a research team that included long-time employees Frank Shimada and Eina Clark, along with researchers at the Hospital for Sick Children, Rhodes investigated the complex problems of polio's epidemiology and diagnosis. This work was funded by Canadian Life Insurance companies and Federal Public Health Research Grants, though more quietly by the U.S. March of Dimes.

By 1951, Rhodes was growing poliovirus in test tubes using Ender's methods. Not enough virus was being produced to be practical for a vaccine until a member of Rhodes' research team, Dr. Arthur E. Franklin, tried a new synthetic nutrient base known as "Medium 199." It was developed at Connaught between 1947 and 1949 by Dr. Joseph F. Morgan (1918-1976) and Helen J. Morton under the supervision of Dr. Raymond C. Parker (1903-1974), a leading international authority on tissue culture techniques. Medium 199 was a chemically pure mixture of over 60 ingredients originally developed for studying cell nutrition in cancer research. It was the first synthetic medium ever produced.

In the fall of 1951, after discussing the problems of growing the poliovirus using traditional methods, Morgan supplied Franklin with some "199" to see if it could help. To Franklin's surprise "199" worked incredibly well and was particularly effective for cultivating the poliovirus in monkey kidney cells without additional animal serums that would render any vaccine dangerous for human use.

Meanwhile, Jonas Salk was confident that an inactivated vaccine could prevent polio in humans as it seemed to in monkeys. However, it was not yet safe for human trial, nor could he make enough for the millions who were clamoring for protection from the dreaded crippler. Connaught solved both problems. Medium 199 provided a chemically pure culture base, which encouraged the NFIP to finance a major pilot project at Connaught to cultivate the poliovirus in large quantities. In 1952-53, this effort led to the "Toronto Method," developed by Dr. Leone N. Farrell (1904-1986). It involved culturing the poliovirus in a solution of "199" and monkey kidney cells using large Povitsky bottles incubated on a special rocking machine.

In 1952, Connaught's "199" gave Salk confidence to finally test his vaccine on children. By July 1953, just as Canada's worst polio epidemic began, the NFIP asked Connaught's Director, Dr. Robert D. Defries (1889-1975), to provide all the poliovirus fluids required for a national field trial of Salk's vaccine. Connaught had established a prominent international reputation for making vaccines, and since it was a non-commercial biologicals producer, an open relationship with Salk and the NFIP was possible. Through the fall and winter of 1953-54, large bottles full of each of the three poliovirus types were sent in station wagons to Parke, Davis in Detroit and Eli Lilly in Indianapolis, for inactivation and processing. In total Connaught produced some 3,000 litres of poliovirus fluids for the trial.

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- LeafMan

Probably means /thread at this point.

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- LeafMan

Ha ha sorry ref, get Phil signed long term shore up the d to where you can walk from Dion cause he ain't taking a pay cut.

Ha ha sorry ref, get Phil signed long term shore up the d to where you can walk from Dion cause he ain't taking a pay cut.
- aminnes

He may not have a choice. I’d be curious to know what GM would match his current salary, and amused by how that fanbase would lose their marbles.

ok.. now tell me how inbreeding actually effects the meat itself?

thats where you are losing me. i can see maybe if you eat a lot of liver since thats an argan.. but i dont get it.. how is the meat effected by inbreeding?
- Dozzer

Will PM you later on that, as it seems Leafman wants a more hockey talk lol.

He may not have a choice. I’d be curious to know what GM would match his current salary, and amused by how that fanbase would lose their marbles.
- Dirte

Me too. I'm under no illusions, I like him at 4.5 but he's gonna suck some dummy into giving him 6-7 and it need not be the Leafs.

He may not have a choice. I’d be curious to know what GM would match his current salary, and amused by how that fanbase would lose their marbles.
- Dirte

I think there would be many takers for Dion at 6.5
40 year old Gonhar just got 5, streit 5 or 5.5 soon?

i never once claimed we should not be using medicine. not once.

you are twisting the argument to suit your point now.

yes, i am calling you on it.

we were discussing the need for medicine improving the quality of life in the context of human food consumption.

- Dozzer

Well, that's not what I was arguing. I was arguing that life expectancy was the single greatest indicator of quality of life. You then said that you didn't think that it was great quality of life if you were hooked up to a machine for a quarter of your life. I then stated that you wouldn't be - that medical science allows you to come back quicker to a life that has quality.

You are the one who has mistakenly thought that I've commented on genetically-altered foods - I haven't typed a single word about it.

its unnecessary.. the only reason its such a massive undertaking is that people are eating worse and worse. chemically and biologically tampered with plants. meat sources fattened up intentionally to tip scales. chemical foods that arent really anything real.

get rid of that nonsense and the strain on the medical community goes away.

now.. admittedly.. that would create a larger world hunger issue. but the sad part is that due to capitalism.. the tech we have that could eradicate world hunger never gets built
- Dozzer

Except, by and large, people are not eating worse and worse.

People are eating better. Things like food preservation have become so much more advanced, that people aren't dying or becoming sick from food poisoning nearly as much.

People also have a much greater access to varieties of foods.

You can't make blanket statements like this.

Could people eat much better? Hell yes. Without a doubt.

But don't point to Burger King as proof that we are eating much worse than 100 years ago.

I think there would be many takers for Dion at 6.5
40 year old Gonhar just got 5, streit 5 or 5.5 soon?
- senstroll

AGREED....but keep Dion IMO....just play him less and get him a compatible partner

Connaught Medical Research Laboratories in the University of Toronto. Connaught researchers made two key contributions that allowed the poliovirus to be safely cultivated in enough quantities to enable the NFIP's unprecedented trial of Salk's inactivated vaccine (IPV).

Beginning in 1947, Dr. Andrew J. Rhodes (1911-1995) led a comprehensive polio research program at Connaught. With a research team that included long-time employees Frank Shimada and Eina Clark, along with researchers at the Hospital for Sick Children, Rhodes investigated the complex problems of polio's epidemiology and diagnosis. This work was funded by Canadian Life Insurance companies and Federal Public Health Research Grants, though more quietly by the U.S. March of Dimes.

By 1951, Rhodes was growing poliovirus in test tubes using Ender's methods. Not enough virus was being produced to be practical for a vaccine until a member of Rhodes' research team, Dr. Arthur E. Franklin, tried a new synthetic nutrient base known as "Medium 199." It was developed at Connaught between 1947 and 1949 by Dr. Joseph F. Morgan (1918-1976) and Helen J. Morton under the supervision of Dr. Raymond C. Parker (1903-1974), a leading international authority on tissue culture techniques. Medium 199 was a chemically pure mixture of over 60 ingredients originally developed for studying cell nutrition in cancer research. It was the first synthetic medium ever produced.

In the fall of 1951, after discussing the problems of growing the poliovirus using traditional methods, Morgan supplied Franklin with some "199" to see if it could help. To Franklin's surprise "199" worked incredibly well and was particularly effective for cultivating the poliovirus in monkey kidney cells without additional animal serums that would render any vaccine dangerous for human use.

Meanwhile, Jonas Salk was confident that an inactivated vaccine could prevent polio in humans as it seemed to in monkeys. However, it was not yet safe for human trial, nor could he make enough for the millions who were clamoring for protection from the dreaded crippler. Connaught solved both problems. Medium 199 provided a chemically pure culture base, which encouraged the NFIP to finance a major pilot project at Connaught to cultivate the poliovirus in large quantities. In 1952-53, this effort led to the "Toronto Method," developed by Dr. Leone N. Farrell (1904-1986). It involved culturing the poliovirus in a solution of "199" and monkey kidney cells using large Povitsky bottles incubated on a special rocking machine.

In 1952, Connaught's "199" gave Salk confidence to finally test his vaccine on children. By July 1953, just as Canada's worst polio epidemic began, the NFIP asked Connaught's Director, Dr. Robert D. Defries (1889-1975), to provide all the poliovirus fluids required for a national field trial of Salk's vaccine. Connaught had established a prominent international reputation for making vaccines, and since it was a non-commercial biologicals producer, an open relationship with Salk and the NFIP was possible. Through the fall and winter of 1953-54, large bottles full of each of the three poliovirus types were sent in station wagons to Parke, Davis in Detroit and Eli Lilly in Indianapolis, for inactivation and processing. In total Connaught produced some 3,000 litres of poliovirus fluids for the trial.
- mykokes

Thank you.

I learn something every day at Hockeybuzz University.

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- LeafMan

As a general rule, I don't listen to mods who lack avatars.

Sorry.

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- LeafMan

New blog needed

But don't point to Burger King as proof that we are eating much worse than 100 years ago.
- Atomic Wedgie

can you point to obesity rates?

Thank you.

I learn something every day at Hockeybuzz University.
- Atomic Wedgie

I've heard Mark Levoinen tell that story too many times at different sector events around the city, and every time we do a special Ontario issue, that story always comes up. Fortunately I used the word make and not discovered (I just learned something new too, I just assumed because of the Connaught Laboratory connection, I just assumed the guy making the discovery was associated with UofT.) The sad part is, today, such discoveries would never happen, there's just not enough money to meet what is needed to support innovation at the bench.

Well, that's not what I was arguing. I was arguing that life expectancy was the single greatest indicator of quality of life. You then said that you didn't think that it was great quality of life if you were hooked up to a machine for a quarter of your life. I then stated that you wouldn't be - that medical science allows you to come back quicker to a life that has quality.

You are the one who has mistakenly thought that I've commented on genetically-altered foods - I haven't typed a single word about it.



Except, by and large, people are not eating worse and worse.

People are eating better. Things like food preservation have become so much more advanced, that people aren't dying or becoming sick from food poisoning nearly as much.

People also have a much greater access to varieties of foods.

You can't make blanket statements like this.

Could people eat much better? Hell yes. Without a doubt.

But don't point to Burger King as proof that we are eating much worse than 100 years ago.
- Atomic Wedgie

i am not pointing at burger king

i am pointing at the metro

i guarantee you the beef there is far worse than the stuff I buy at fieldgate organics. hell.. there is even a visual difference when it comes to fat content

and as for the first point.. if you require constant medical attention to sustain your quality of life then your quality of life is poor.

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- LeafMan

Can we talk US Open?

Looks like it's going to be a brutal day.

Mike Weir started the day at around #55. He's now #26 - because he hasn't teed off yet.

Yeah, I'm a sick bastard - I like to see this guys struggle. So much more interesting than seeing a guy drive it to 120 yards from the pin, throw a dart with his pitching wedge to 4 feet from the hole and then drain it for birdie.

ok.. now tell me how inbreeding actually effects the meat itself?

thats where you are losing me. i can see maybe if you eat a lot of liver since thats an argan.. but i dont get it.. how is the meat effected by inbreeding?
- Dozzer

if you were a cannibal, would you eat this?




You're eating the meat equivalent of these fine looking fellas.

well i am out.. the thread needs to get back to hockey and frankly.. those topics are boring as (frank) and have been rehashed a billion times.

cheers.

well i am out.. the thread needs to get back to hockey and frankly.. those topics are boring as (frank) and have been rehashed a billion times.

cheers.
- Dozzer

yeah, let's talk about Scarlett Johanson more.

well i am out.. the thread needs to get back to hockey and frankly.. those topics are boring as (frank) and have been rehashed a billion times.

cheers.
- Dozzer

Sorry

can you point to obesity rates?
- senstroll

You sure can.

But don't forget to also look at malnutrition rates from 100 years ago.

You sure can.

But don't forget to also look at malnutrition rates from 100 years ago.
- Atomic Wedgie

ok i will just look at 40 yours ago and compare to today