You don't think the rise in fast food restaurants all over the globe has a role to play in this? Especially in terms of cardiovascular disease? Or simple mistakes in how we insulate our houses, asbestos, vermaculite etc. Or how about the fact that we're already living longer, and because our bodies are meant to break down eventually, it makes sense that eventually we all succomb to some sort of disease. Or the fact that our understanding of diseases has grown exponentially, including our diagnostics tools means we're able to explain death more. As for the high rates in cancer in Britain, I did mention that what they did with cattle in the 80s, 90s and event today is scary. Lots of inbreeding. Listen, i'm not saying that GMO's of the past were great, I'm saying things are changing very rapidly. Genomics is changing everything. And where GMO's are headed is far away from the whole frankenfood debacle of the 80s and 90s.
- mykokes

Yes of course it does. The fact that we have become so distant from reality and decided to be distracted by everything is the main reason. We can't be bothered to get our asses out of the car to get food anymore half the time. It's our own fault we allowed these monster companies to take over, and we were warned by early founders of this happening.

2 Words: Raw Honey

Actually, life expectancy is the single greatest measuring stick.
- Atomic Wedgie

I disagree with that.

quality of life is more important than length of life. thats why I am saying that debating using those points without some sort of filter on them is simply too broad of a subject to really drive the nail home.

i could live to be 90, but if a 1/4 of my life is in a hospital bed who cares?

We're not talking about whether people die of cancer, I'm saying more - way more are getting cancer. And then they pay enormous money and stay alive longer than before.
Your points are totally bogus. Alseimers, Diabetes, Cancer, Autism, Etc have all been steadily rising. Agian, people aren't dying as early, but they are medicated for many more years than before.
- aminnes

The fact that you point to increased rates of Alseimers (sic) hammers home that you have totally missed the bus on this one better than anything I could possibly write.

the problem is you dont know if you are eating it or not..even if you think you arnt
- senstroll

actually.. i can say i know where 90% of my food comes from

There's not enough oil for 7-8 billion people to live like us.



As well as other resources... Like water... Food.


I don't buy into that conspiracy.
- robin_steele264

Yes it is. The US discovered the biggest crude reserve in the world in the 1950's they have enough oil for a thousand years. Plus oil was already done with. Heck a guy invented a car that extracted the hydrogen from water to run on, he was on the news all over in the early 90's and then poof, dead. No more talking about that. We are way beyond oil, but again, if your in the oil business why would you allow any better tech to get out there?

I disagree with that.

quality of life is more important than length of life. thats why I am saying that debating using those points without some sort of filter on them is simply too broad of a subject to really drive the nail home.

i could live to be 90, but if a 1/4 of my life is in a hospital bed who cares?
- Dozzer

Quality of life is the single greatest factor in determining length of life.

Yes it is. The US discovered the biggest crude reserve in the world in the 1950's they have enough oil for a thousand years. Plus oil was already done with. Heck a guy invented a car that extracted the hydrogen from water to run on, he was on the news all over in the early 90's and then poof, dead. No more talking about that. We are way beyond oil, but again, if your in the oil business why would you allow any better tech to get out there?
- aminnes

you live on planet bias really

you cant ignore there is a trend the population is taking that is leading to unhealthier lifestyles.. childhood obesity is way up for example.

we are unhealthier.. but it isnt fair to compare eras.. the testing is different.
- Dozzer

But that's not the same thing as GMO's is it? The practice of adding sodium and sugar to products dates back to the 1920s. Sodium because it is a preservative and for flavour, sugar for flavour. GMO's have nothing to do with that.

Vinny is not going to be bought out so you guys can scratch him off of your wish lists.

actually.. i can say i know where 90% of my food comes from
- Dozzer

trading your valuables for magic beans doesnt count.

Yes it is. The US discovered the biggest crude reserve in the world in the 1950's they have enough oil for a thousand years. Plus oil was already done with. Heck a guy invented a car that extracted the hydrogen from water to run on, he was on the news all over in the early 90's and then poof, dead. No more talking about that. We are way beyond oil, but again, if your in the oil business why would you allow any better tech to get out there?
- aminnes

Everything we have is made of oil.

Even if we found another fuel, our dependancy on petrochemicals is enormous. Clothes, food, building supplies, medecine, technology...


The economy is 100% dependent on Oil.


Also don't buy the 1000's of years supply. Couple hundred maybe. Not that we will have to worry about it anyway.

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Quality of life is the single greatest factor in determining length of life.
- Atomic Wedgie

this is not true at all

our lives have been lengthened due to medical advancement.. not quality of life.

now.. that being said.. part of modern day medicine is to direct the patient towards a better lifestyle..

and they are doing this to relieve the stress on the medical community and its resources.

this is all happening when it wasnt before.

Vinny is not going to be bought out so you guys can scratch him off of your wish lists.
- uf1910

We never said TB was going to buy him out, TB could possibly trade him to a team which would buy him out....so who's doing the wishing?

- Atomic Wedgie

Read history, it's ALL conspiracy of the few. Always without exception. It wasn't until the baby boomer generation that they taught that history "just happens" in school. read the history of the last 1000 years in Europe - all conspiracy, big rich families fighting, and secret fraternal orders, it's a fact. But now we're supposed to believe these people love us? Money is number one.

But that's not the same thing as GMO's is it? The practice of adding sodium and sugar to products dates back to the 1920s. Sodium because it is a preservative and for flavour, sugar for flavour. GMO's have nothing to do with that.
- mykokes

Interesting stuff coming out now about sodium.

There are some who are now saying that high sodium levels don't really mean jack - your body can easily just pee it out.

Not sayin' I agree with it - just sayin' it's out there....

We're not talking about whether people die of cancer, I'm saying more - way more are getting cancer. And then they pay enormous money and stay alive longer than before.
Your points are totally bogus. Alseimers, Diabetes, Cancer, Autism, Etc have all been steadily rising. Agian, people aren't dying as early, but they are medicated for many more years than before.
- aminnes

If the point is that modern medicine and science is keeping people alive longer and as a result more people are subject to disease (because of their old age) then I'd agree with that.

I'm not sure science, good science, has proven that we are living less healthy lifestyles that is in turn equating to more disease.

What were people dying of 75 years ago?

Alzheimers and autism aren't related to lifestyle - both are believed to be genetic. Cancer is more debatable but rates climb due mostly to increased life expectancies ....Diabetes I give you though - clearly related to lifestyle and diet.

But that's not the same thing as GMO's is it? The practice of adding sodium and sugar to products dates back to the 1920s. Sodium because it is a preservative and for flavour, sugar for flavour. GMO's have nothing to do with that.
- mykokes

i just simply do not trust it (GMO)

dont (frank) with my food.. it was fine before

i need one healthy aspect in my life.. because otherwise i treat myself like hell lol

Vinny is not going to be bought out so you guys can scratch him off of your wish lists.
- uf1910

he is not on the wish list, the draft pick that came with him was.

TB is not going to buy him out, they can trade him and we can buy him out.

If the point is that modern medicine and science is keeping people alive longer and as a result more people are subject to disease (because of their old age) then I'd agree with that.

I'm not sure science, good science, has proven that we are living less healthy lifestyles that is in turn equating to more disease.

What were people dying of 75 years ago?

Alzheimers and autism aren't related to lifestyle - both are believed to be genetic. Cancer is more debatable but rates climb due mostly to increased life expectancies ....Diabetes I give you though - clearly related to lifestyle and diet.
- The Law

Type 2 yes....Type 1 is genetic

this is not true at all

our lives have been lengthened due to medical advancement.. not quality of life.

now.. that being said.. part of modern day medicine is to direct the patient towards a better lifestyle..

and they are doing this to relieve the stress on the medical community and its resources.

this is all happening when it wasnt before.
- Dozzer

Medical advancement contributes to quality of life.

If you don't die from an infection, and you are able to come back to work and be healthy and happy, that's quality of life.

Same with clean drinking water.

And it's especially true of the various ways in which we now prevent food from spoiling, which was a real killer.

Everything we have is made of oil.

Even if we found another fuel, our dependancy on petrochemicals is enormous. Clothes, food, building supplies, medecine, technology...


The economy is 100% dependent on Oil.


Also don't buy the 1000's of years supply. Couple hundred maybe. Not that we will have to worry about it anyway.
- robin_steele264

They were already dealing with the middle eastern countries and keeping it under raps was smart in that sense. The problem is, the whole world thinks we're running out of it so the price is retarted, great for business but total BS. Imagine the development in third world countries if they opened up the oil and the price went way down.

We're not talking about whether people die of cancer, I'm saying more - way more are getting cancer. And then they pay enormous money and stay alive longer than before.
Your points are totally bogus. Alseimers, Diabetes, Cancer, Autism, Etc have all been steadily rising. Agian, people aren't dying as early, but they are medicated for many more years than before.
- aminnes

This one's a strange one.....its on the rise in North America. Many theories tie this to certain vaccines, that triggered something in our genes. But guess what, there is hope, they've isolated these biomarkers, and eventully they'll have the ability to turn the back off or inhibit them.

Cancer is another, they used to call cancer strictly a genomic disease, but more than ever its being recognized as an epigenomic disease. Some great researchers here in Ontario, and BC are leading the charge here along with partners is California to understand the epigenomics of cancer (and not surprisingly all those diseases you mention). But support for this research has been hindered by a lack of interest from the business community and investment community. Again, not interested in waiting x amount of years for return on investment. Add to the fact our federal government is more interested in balancing the budget (which is their right, its what they elected them to do), they don't really put innovation on the tops of their agendas, even though it has the potential to save them billions in healthcare costs. Governments are short-sighted because well obviously, they're elected for short terms, and Innovation isn't something you can sell in a four year period. Yet in china, man you should see what they're able to do there. Fortunately for them their government doesn't change like ours does, so support is continual rather than starting and stopping.

Read history, it's ALL conspiracy of the few. Always without exception. It wasn't until the baby boomer generation that they taught that history "just happens" in school. read the history of the last 1000 years in Europe - all conspiracy, big rich families fighting, and secret fraternal orders, it's a fact. But now we're supposed to believe these people love us? Money is number one.
- aminnes

thats all that matters